I've had enough. . .

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This has gotten quite a bit off topic for the blackhat forum. . . Let's try bring it back.

If you were going to "reverse" seo a site, and had a team of outsourcers. . . what would you do?

Build links to their competitors?
Write negative reviews on Business directories? (google, etc. )

any other ideas?
 
Get two big a$$ dogs.

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p.s. these dogs look friendly now. But don't feed them for a day. When the kids come by, let your dogs loose. ;)
 
Difficult situation for sure.

On one hand, you've already lasted this long, kids have to get older eventually, it's temporary, etc. ... but then again 6 years isn't very 'short term' for anyone to have to deal with.

First and foremost, I'd consider your family's health & quality of life #1.

If you can financially do so, I would just move out at your first opportunity. Why not? If your wife has suffered serious emotional damage like you say, it's not fair to her. Stress not only kills, it takes YEARS off our lives. If I were in your shoes, I'd certainly let her weigh in on it, let it be more so her decision whether or not to move.

If you are going to stick it out, then look at it with respect to the fact that it is simply vandalism, not physical violence to your family (and it's not gang-related...Gran Torino reference would have been very fitting in this scenario! lol).

Also consider that it won't be long before you'll have all those extra motion sensor lights and cameras are up and running, right? I'd start the blog ASAP!

Go [GET] Short-term gain on those punks!:D
 
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I agree with the paintball suggestion. Seriously, I'm not kidding. I used to be one of "those" kids (not the kind of stuff you are describing, but some harmless stuff) and one way to get kids to leave you alone is to make their lives a living hell. Set up in your bushes with a paintball gun and ambush them one night. Or, get more cameras and find out exactly who it is. Once you do here are some things you can do:

1. At night (3-4 AM), go over to said person's house and spray weed killer in a Nazi symbol on their grass. Then write the kid's name with it too.

2. Again at night, put some type of liquid glass in the person's gas tank. The liquid gets past the fuel filter and makes the engine commit suicide. Harsh, but hey, 6 years is enough.

3.Similar to the above but less harsh: Just bring a wrench set, and an oil pan. Drain the oil out and don't leave any indicator that the oil is gone. A few hundred feet is all the car will make it.

4. Least harsh: just collect video evidence of them doing it and bring it to the police. Then have a police officer escort you to their residence, police lights on and all. When the neighborhood see's the police are there, the parents are going to tell their kids not do anything anymore (ie "See what happened to ____? Now he has a police record. Do you want that?")

When one of those kids has to get in the back of a police car and get fingerprinted, he won't EVER come back. His friends will take the hint and also never come back. My friend used to do that stuff (go break windows) until he did get put in the back of a police car and get fingerprinted. Hasn't vandalized since.
 
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how bout a pet dog to keep them out of the yard? Like a big fierce looking dog
 
Get a Big Ass Dog. Something friendly to you but hates everyone else. DOnt get a pit bull. It will kill you at some later date.
 
so those bad bad kids ... do "Black hat SEO"????????????????????????????

Yes, I know. Wrong Forum. But I was actually looking for some methods to push their parents little website off the face of the earth. .. :-)
 
It sucks that your wife is so antsy about it. That'll mess up the implementation of the Ultimate Reaction. This method has kept vandalism at my house down to a minimum for years.

The Rationale behind the Plan:
These real-life trolls love to see you or her out there, agitatedly trying to reverse their vandalism. It's what gives them the lulz that make doing it worthwhile. Knowing that, the obvious response is to NOT bother doing anything! EVER!

Not only will this deprive them of the sight of you cleaning up their mess, it'll LOWER PROPERTY VALUES for all the surrounding houses, which is something all richies hate. Once their parents realize that you are not going to do anything to de-uglify the place, they'll start bitching to their kids to stop uglifying it up to begin with "because if someone TPs that place, we'll be looking at it for the next 6 months!"

Examples:

(Reaction must always be with an unperturbed "meh" voice and somewhat bored expression! In public, YOU DON'T CARE AT ALL!)

TP

A few years back the trees were TP'd. I left it there. When a neighbor asked "did you know your house got TP'd? Aren't you going to take it down?"

I said..."NAH that stuff is biodegradable; it'll go away on its own!!" And that's exactly what I let happen. So, the neighbor had to look at it until it rotted completely away!

Never been TP'd again.

Eggs:

"Did you see those eggs on your ledge?"

"Oh, are there? Oh well. Rain'll wash that away." I let 'em rot. (Keep window closed during rotting process.)

Never been egged again.

Spray Paint:

IGNORED. Right now, the letters "FU" are on the mailbox. Been there for two years. Will be there for 3 more, unless I get a bigger mailbox for unrelated reasons.

There's been no more spray painting.

Cans left in the yard:

Ignored until spring.
"Are you going to leave those there?!"
"YEAH! I only clean up junk outta the yard once a year. Anything that appears after that...STAYS!"

(Went out one night at about 3AM and they mysteriously "blew over" across the street. Not all at once, but over several weeks so it looked like their crap was coming back to them nice and natural-like.)

Escalated to Glass Bottles:

Mowed so the shards ended up in the driveway of the source.

"There are glass shards in the road/our drive!"
"Yeah [shrug]. I can't be picking through the weeds to find that stuff. Anything that's in the yard gets mowed over. If people don't want glass all over, they'll have to learn to Dispose Of Properly."

The littering ceased.

One of the glorious parts of being a webmaster is that if someone does something like TP or even spray painting...THEY will have to look at it, and I WON'T! If I do go "out There," it's at night. And everything always looks fine enough at night.

Just leave that big dick on your fence and "not notice" it. If someone says something, say you'll "get around to it" (of course, that'll be on the 12th of Never!). They WILL regret putting that there after hearing their parents bitch about it forevermore!

Best thing is that the parents don't even have to know that their kids did it (remember, many parents really do have delusions that their brats are little angels). They'll complain to their whole household about how every time "those kids" do anything, they (the parents) have to look at it for months!

Of course, this works best when YOU don't intend to move. That way, you don't have to give one whit about YOUR property values, and in fact, lower ones are better for your tax bill!! Make sure to mention this to all adult relations of suspects if they mention their Holy Property Values. Low property values = low taxes, so you love it! Make sure you can say this with a completely straight face.

Oh, and in my situation, it wasn't the kids doing it. It was the b*tch across the street and her friends, and she's about 38!
 
OK, I'll bite.
If your wife is about to have a nervous breakdown, the police don't help, you've done the nice guy thing, and you don't want to get sued, you need to fight back somehow. You *can* do it the blackhat way, IRL, and you can use the tools and methods that are here.

First you need to look at it as if you look at a blackhat site - you can put time or money into it. You can outsource or you can automate. You can google bowl, but you can't break the law. Oh, and, uh, you won't be needing the police.

Your goal is to get their "IP addresses" or identities and then "google bowl" them. That's all you need to do. begin by tracking down and adding alll of your neighbors (the adults) on Facebook, Myspace, Twitter and every other social network. If they're asian they probably prefer friendster. Don't forget about Tagged. Basically google stalk them and add them as friends to your profiles and/or to fake profiles. Start a cheezy looking personal blog with a couple of posts that are meaningless but linked to facebook and twitter. Begin adding twitter friends from hell, and do the same with FB and Myspace. Add everyone you can who is local and continue to do so, using the friend adders and twitter automator. Be absolutely sure to add as many people as possible who go to their church, since you keep mentioning that. That's part one of the online component. I'll get to part two in the end.

With money you can hire Priavte Investigators's or amateur wanna-be PI's. Forget PI's unless you have the cash or can design a killer website/marketing program for them. Think of the amateurs as Indians or other people you would hire for your online business - they might not know much, but they are cheap and trainable. They need to be careful and not interact - all you want are photos and possibly home addresses, so I would hire a craigslist poster to put up ads on craigslist stating your problem and soliciting bids. Explicitly state that all you want are clear photos of the kids, no threats, no physical interaction, just clear photos. You can pay per photo ("CPA") or by the hour. Get the lowest price possible and barter if possible so that you can conserve your funds for other tools/services. Possibly offer to build and host a website for them in exchange for photos. If you do hire a PI, you can probably promise that you will get them more publicity than they will know what to do with.

You could also automate this process of obtaining photos, but you haven't had any luck with the tools you're using. What would you do with software, hardware, or a website that you're not having luck with? That's right, you re-evaluate your use of it and/or flip it and/or upgrade it. I say sell the cameras you own and use that money to finance your second attempt, but you need to have a realistic budget and a time limit. How long will it take to get results? Is spending your way out of this a realistic option? What about repurposing tools like hunters cameras? They are automated, they are cheap, and they are FUCKING CAMOFLAGED. You've also already "tracked your referers". You know the kids know where your cameras are and they avoid them. You can buy FAKE cameras and put them in those spots because you already know they will avoid those areas. They're probably cheaper than real cameras so you can move your current cameras to the spots that were not covered before and be more careful about hiding your cameras. Use camo and paint and move everything around 4:30 am so *nobody* will see you do it. Put out the new cameras at night and take them in during the day. Heck, move your cameras often.

But you might not have the money for that, and/or the kids might not be that stupid. They may find and steal or destroy the hunting cameras. If you think they might steal them, then there is always the GPS tracking device option, so you can find out where they live. Put out several cheap ones that you can buy online or from alibaba.com ( and/or non-working ones from ebay) and let them take them home with them. Think of it as a honey pot, and you're tracking their IP's instead of photographing them. The ideal solution would be to do many of these things - outsource photos to amateurs, move your current cameras, and get them to steal your cameras with gps tracking enabled. (Google "gps tracking device" for products)

But let's back up for a second. Let's say you're starting a BH site and you have more time than money. You can't outsource and you have limited tools. You've learned how NOT to use the tools you have. What else do you have on hand? A digital camera? A friendly neighbor? A car/place to hide? All you need are photos. Get them any way you can. This may take time. You probably need to find out when these kids are egging your house before you can devote your time to photographing them. It's a matter of trial and error, standing guard/sentry at different times and in different places. If this were a website and you had no money, you would do whatever it takes, so do that. Move your car to a good spot and start using it as a sentry point for a few random hours each night until you know when they come around. Don't act - don't get caught - don't spook them - just observe so you know when they come around, where they come from, and where they go so you can put yourself or another person in the right place at the right time for photos.

Next step is to get the photos. They should be perfect if you've taken the time to do this. Get as many as possible. I'm talking hundreds. If you have video then you're going to need to hire a video poster. If you have their mailing addresses, too - that's awesome. but you're going to play dumb and act as if you don't know them.

So part two of the online component is this: Begin by posting it all to that "personal" blog after you polish it up. Turn it into a killer but amateur-looking blog with a decent logo, a twitter feed, and facebook connect. Now it's time to start spamming and playing the part of the victomized neighbor. You send 1 photo and an inquiring note to each of your neighbors by snail-mail every day, as well as their church, saying how the police haven't been able to help you and you want to make sure that nobody else has to suffer the way that you have been suffering for years. Say that you are wondering who those kids are, they're obviously not members of one of the good Christian families from your neighborhood. You simultaneously post it to facebook and myspace, and message them. Daily. Hourly if you have enough material. You myspace them. Wall posts. Messages. Facebook chat. Email. Youtube. Then sick **********, Digg, and reddit on them. Post links to your blog all over the net. I'm sure there are better sites. And you absolutely do not respond to anyone, you let it drag out until you've exhausted your content.

As always, this is just one method. You should probably put your own spin on it. :cool:
 
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Dogs are still the best option. You can get them trained and ready in no time.
 
It sucks that your wife is so antsy about it. That'll mess up the implementation of the Ultimate Reaction....
LOWER PROPERTY VALUES
Or you could take it up another notch. TP and graffitti THE HELL out of your neighbors and your own house, yourself. Be sure to duplicate their technique and style but take it to the next level. You want the damage to cross over on to other peoples property, and yes, that is illegal. Are you willing to break the law to protect your wife? That's what I thought. You'll need help and lookouts, possibly radios and police scanners - do you have any non-local adult friends up for some organized mischief? Be sure to avoid your cameras but keep them rolling, as the police will likely get dragged into this. And, um, leave no fingerprints or footprints anywhere, mmmkay? This might be the ideal way to kickstart the blog/social networking idea in my post. It will also get the attention of your neighbors who might be more socially connected than you are. My way was greyhat. This solution is definitely Blackhat.
 
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Get sme rotwoillers and all your problems are sorted mate.
 
If you really want to get back at them buy one of these, I've been thinking about it.
Just make sure you record it so we can laugh at seeing this in action

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And while you're at it, load it with Pepperballs. See pepperball.com/
 
Great thread! I hope you win the contest (jr vip)

My idea:
Obviously a dog. Meh. Don't get one, just tag graffiti on theirs, or shave it like a poodle. Good luck with that btw.
 
1. Go on ebay, buy 1000 condoms from a cheap chinese supplier.
2. Get a large pot, and bring to the boil a mixture of glue, water, flour , honey, and oil to make a white sticky concoution.
3. Unravel each condom and fill one with 3-4 teaspoons of the mixture, and set them all up in a bag, just inside near your front door.
4. Wait for kids to start doing shit, and yell out "Its a good thing Ive saved all my used condoms over the years " and hurl it at the fuckers!.
 
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