AMA about PBNs (setup, footprints, things to avoid, et al.)

[janist]

There is one more question to consult:
The inner pages of my PBN website do not have outreach links to authoritative websites, but I don’t want to add outreach links to the existing articles on the inner pages.
Can I write a new article and set the publication date of the article as the earliest publication time?
That is: set to be earlier than the time of the published post, and insert an outreach link in this new post.
thanks

You mean outbound links?

You can do that, but you're overthinking it, to be honest. You can simply post the article with the current date, no need to back date it.

 

[jtwings]

Can you PM me and help me check my first domain for PBN?
I don't know if it really a decent domain.
I would be very grateful if you could help me with this. My goal is to find domains that aren't too strong and build more tier 2 links for them.

 

[janist]

Sure, send it over via PM, i'll take a look.

 

[jtwings]

Sure, send it over via PM, i'll take a look.

I'm a new member so I can't start a PM. Can you PM me?

 

[SociallyManagable]

Hi! I'm fairly new to the website game. Can you clarify a few things for me?

So when making a PBN from scratch would a good method be crappy-backlink blasting tier 2 pages that direct to tier 1 which are more legit, which would link to a money site? (i know it kind of removes the purpose of a PBN using a new domain, but I can't afford a $300 domain+hosting+ssl on an expired domain)

Also how many Links and Refering domains be a good number for a new page? is there a certain rule i should follow?

Do you know of any good examples for a pbn -> moneysite that youre cool with sharing?

is there any way to expedite the process of getting a network started? Im ok with the long game, but as far as i understand you need like 3-6 months for a moneysite to start bringing in any good amount of traffic to scale.

Thank you!

 

[Turbo B.]

So when making a PBN from scratch would a good method be crappy-backlink blasting tier 2 pages that direct to tier 1 which are more legit, which would link to a money site?

Yes you can do it - GSA blasts, google redirects spam.
It does not add any SEO value to your PBN domains, but fakes metric.

It is a scammers strategy before selling links on their "powerful" PBNs.

 

[SociallyManagable]

Yes you can do it - GSA blasts, google redirects spam.
It does not add any SEO value to your PBN domains, but fakes metric.

It is a scammers strategy before selling links on their "powerful" PBNs.

So it HAS to be high quality domains? are any of the reddit comments, twitter comments, etc etc any good? or are guest post the only legit way to build good traffic?

 

[Turbo B.]

So it HAS to be high quality domains? are any of the reddit comments, twitter comments, etc etc any good? or are guest post the only legit way to build good traffic?

Check pending delete auction domains and you will understand which backlinks are valuable by winning price.

Most valuable PBN guide i had found : https://wolfofblogstreet.com/

 

[SociallyManagable]

Check pending delete auction domains and you will understand which backlinks are valuable by winning price.

Most valuable PBN guide i had found : https://wolfofblogstreet.com/

I mean i look into it if i have to actually buy expired domains. But I'm trying to get around the upfront cost of buying a bunch of expired domains, since I dont have the kind of money to be buying a bunch of them. I have new domains with ssl and hosting at my disposal, but i can't afford domains that are crazy expensive.

 

[janist]

Hi! I'm fairly new to the website game. Can you clarify a few things for me?

So when making a PBN from scratch would a good method be crappy-backlink blasting tier 2 pages that direct to tier 1 which are more legit, which would link to a money site? (i know it kind of removes the purpose of a PBN using a new domain, but I can't afford a $300 domain+hosting+ssl on an expired domain)

Also how many Links and Refering domains be a good number for a new page? is there a certain rule i should follow?

Do you know of any good examples for a pbn -> moneysite that youre cool with sharing?

is there any way to expedite the process of getting a network started? Im ok with the long game, but as far as i understand you need like 3-6 months for a moneysite to start bringing in any good amount of traffic to scale.

Thank you!

1. I wouldn't recommend it. Why would you hit a valuable and probably expensive PBN domain (your tier1 link) with shitty GSA links? You're only damaging one of the most valuable assets in your SEO portfolio.

Handle your PBN like a small money site. If you want to build links to it, we recommend lower DR link inserts, guest posts, crowd links, filtered sape links or some manual web 2.0s as tier2 (that point to your PBN).

Your own tier2 PBN would be a great addition - but it's not feasible for most users.

Ideally, you won't need any additional links to your PBN, if the domain is strong enough.

So it HAS to be high quality domains? are any of the reddit comments, twitter comments, etc etc any good? or are guest post the only legit way to build good traffic?

Ideally, yes.

Reddit, et al. won't do anything for your link equity.

I mean i look into it if i have to actually buy expired domains. But I'm trying to get around the upfront cost of buying a bunch of expired domains, since I dont have the kind of money to be buying a bunch of them. I have new domains with ssl and hosting at my disposal, but i can't afford domains that are crazy expensive.

If you want to build a PBN on 'fresh domains' - then i'd recommend the abovementioned links as your main source.

However, using fresh domains is not the most cost-effective solution.

No age, no link profile, no history.

And most of the time the expenses for new links to those fresh domains far exceed the price of a mid-tier auction domain (~500$).

 

[Turbo B.]

I mean i look into it if i have to actually buy expired domains. But I'm trying to get around the upfront cost of buying a bunch of expired domains, since I dont have the kind of money to be buying a bunch of them. I have new domains with ssl and hosting at my disposal, but i can't afford domains that are crazy expensive.

Building PBN with fresh domains is monkey business.
You will spend 10x more money than building links directly to your money sites.

 

[anatolij1888]

Just to summ up few things i found in this tread.

1) it is safe to use 4-5 domain name registars and have several domains on each of them as long as you have domain privacy switched on, so you can register accounts under 1 name and payment method.
2) it is ok to save several droplets on 1 DO account even if these are $5 shared ones as long as ips are dedicated. or is it a new account for each droplet.
3) rebilding old link structure.
3a) you rebuild old link structure with fresh contetn and have a link pointing to money site straight away or you edit the post after it gets indexed?
3b) how would you rebuild link structure in this case?
found a 13+ years old expired domain, that is a pure gem in my eyes, but all of it was an old stile html static site.
how to rebuilt structure using WP?

 

[DuckingOutstanding]

Just to summ up few things i found in this tread.

1) it is safe to use 4-5 domain name registars and have several domains on each of them as long as you have domain privacy switched on, so you can register accounts under 1 name and payment method.
2) it is ok to save several droplets on 1 DO account even if these are $5 shared ones as long as ips are dedicated. or is it a new account for each droplet.
3) rebilding old link structure.
3a) you rebuild old link structure with fresh contetn and have a link pointing to money site straight away or you edit the post after it gets indexed?
3b) how would you rebuild link structure in this case?
found a 13+ years old expired domain, that is a pure gem in my eyes, but all of it was an old stile html static site.
how to rebuilt structure using WP?

Archivarix and WP can work together.

You can install archivarix with the old site reincarnated first, and then install WordPress as the subdirectory "/blog" in order to make it appear as though a blog was ADDED to an old static content authority website.,..

make any updates you need to in the static content that was brought back to life through archivarix (including niche edits of course..) and new content from here on would simply be added and managed through WordPress (and you would never lose the ability to edit or change anything about the static portion either, enabling you to keep your internal linking on point as well)...

Granted it would be a bit more manual work and a couple hoops to jump through here and there, but if that site you want to resurrect is as much of a gem as you seem to think it is might be worthwhile to look into that as a solution?

 

[anatolij1888]

Archivarix and WP can work together.

You can install archivarix with the old site reincarnated first, and then install WordPress as the subdirectory "/blog" in order to make it appear as though a blog was ADDED to an old static content authority website.,..

make any updates you need to in the static content that was brought back to life through archivarix (including niche edits of course..) and new content from here on would simply be added and managed through WordPress (and you would never lose the ability to edit or change anything about the static portion either, enabling you to keep your internal linking on point as well)...

Granted it would be a bit more manual work and a couple hoops to jump through here and there, but if that site you want to resurrect is as much of a gem as you seem to think it is might be worthwhile to look into that as a solution?

will need to try

 

[Lendsaid]

following.

 

[janist]

Just to summ up few things i found in this tread.

1) it is safe to use 4-5 domain name registars and have several domains on each of them as long as you have domain privacy switched on, so you can register accounts under 1 name and payment method.
2) it is ok to save several droplets on 1 DO account even if these are $5 shared ones as long as ips are dedicated. or is it a new account for each droplet.
3) rebilding old link structure.
3a) you rebuild old link structure with fresh contetn and have a link pointing to money site straight away or you edit the post after it gets indexed?
3b) how would you rebuild link structure in this case?
found a 13+ years old expired domain, that is a pure gem in my eyes, but all of it was an old stile html static site.
how to rebuilt structure using WP?

Sorry for the super late reply, haven't checked the thread in 2 months.

1) Yes.
2) Yes, you can use one account. And it's one droplet per PBN.
3) Mandatory, yes. If those URLs have links to them. Otherwise just skip it.
3a) Right away, is fine. But we typically let the PBN idle for a few weeks anyway, so most posts are indexed by then.
3b) I'd use common sense here.

Either you use HTML slugs in the permalinks (custom permalinks or permalink manager can do that) or you 301 the html URLs to the path without HTML, for example: domain.com/this-awesome-post.html redirect to domain.com/this-awesome-post/

We'd probably opt for the first option, if it's just a PBN.

 

[janist]

Open to more questions, if there are any left that weren't answered already

 

[zing75blog]

Hello i have question about the hosting.

Vultr have small droplet for $2.5, it is safe for PBN? it has unique IP?

 

[janist]

Hello i have question about the hosting.

Vultr have small droplet for $2.5, it is safe for PBN? it has unique IP?

Yea, you can. But it's only IPv6.

 

[yoheyyo88]

Hey, great thread, i started another regarding to this but will delete it now! So i bought several expired domains, restored them with small edits. My question is, do i need to spread them out on different servers, web hosts or am i cool? My moneysite name company pops up when people search on whois (swedish version of whois) and you can clearly see that i own these domains.

i think u guys call this footprint right?

Background info:
I have about 8 links linked to my moneysite (8 that i own) atleast 50% are relevant not excatly the same niche but construction business. Then i have about 50 others that i dont own.

Those 8 links i own ive linked another 10+ to those with no relevance.

Any thoughts and experiences would be greatly appreciated.