Maxbounty fraud and what to do about it

[DixieMarketing]

So a week or two ago I was in a training class that was very boring in another city. I was bored so I was playing poker on my phone to pass the time. The couple sitting next to me ask me what site I was playing on and I told them and I told them if they visited one of my websites and clicked the link (it was an affiliate link from maxbounty) they would get a 200% deposit credit. Before long I had about half the class playing poker from my affiliate link. I had seven total sign up but I really only talked to a few of them very much during the class that sit near me but I showed them how to play so I knew they clicked my link and made a deposit.

The program was suppose to pay $140 per sign up so I thought thats cool it will pay for my trip. But days go by and nothing shows up in my maxbounty account. So I email the people who signed up and they sent me a screen shot of their sign up and I go to my rep at Maxbounty and ask why I was never paid. I provided her at least one user name of the users who signed up (I didnt want to tell them there were several before I knew how they would reply).

So I get a message back that says "I have some bad news. The advertiser of Red Dog has completely disregarded the information we sent over and has in turn pulled you from the offer. We are in talks with him now about this and I am pushing to pull the offer from our network. Very sorry about this."

I have spoke with several of the people who signed up and it makes me wonder how many of us they screw over out of sign ups. They are fast to ban accounts if they suspect fraud but they have no responsibility when they are caught committing fraud. I am seriously considering filing a civil suit because it would at least open up discovery and force them to turn over documents to see how often this really happens.

 

[cmac434]

I'm guessing that all your classmates were on the same Wifi. If so, Red Dog look at the signups from the same IP and different names.

 

[BassTrackerBoats]

That is not Maxbounty fraud. They are merely a go between and that is not their offer.

 

[DixieMarketing]

No there was no wifi so it would have been their cell phone data. But the same IP should never be a reason to disallow a sign up because some large companies use proxy servers so you one external IP so you could have a business with 400 people all using the same external IP.

 

[DixieMarketing]

That is not Maxbounty fraud. They are merely a go between and that is not their offer.

A court would disagree. Maxbounty takes a cut out of the profits for the sign ups and legally they would have an obligation to ensure the advertisers they represent do are not fraudulently skim sign ups.

If you go to wal mart and buy a toaster that was faulty and it burns down your house can you only sue the manufacturer of the toaster or do you sue wal mart for selling the product?

The affiliate links are tracked by maxbounty so you are telling me they are not tracking the sign ups? How do they ban you if commit click fraud if they have no way to track the sign up?

 

[BassTrackerBoats]

A court would disagree. Maxbounty takes a cut out of the profits for the sign ups and legally they would have an obligation to ensure the advertisers they represent do are not fraudulently skimming sign ups.

If you go to wal mart and buy a toaster that was faulty and it burns down your house can you only sue the manufacturer of the toaster or do you sue wal mart for selling the product?

The affiliate links are tracked by maxbounty so you are telling me they are not tracking the sign ups? How do they ban you if commit click fraud if they have no way to track the sign up?

I've owned a CPA network and it does not work exactly as you are saying there.

If the advertiser does not pay the publisher does not get paid and MB loses out on their commission.

I'd wager that there is verbiage somewhere on their site or in their agreement with their publishers that lays that out.

 

[DixieMarketing]

I've owned a CPA network and it does not work exactly as you are saying there.

If the advertiser does not pay the publisher does not get paid and MB loses out on their commission.

I'd wager that there is verbiage somewhere on their site or in their agreement with their publishers that lays that out.

As an advertisers you have to deposit funds into an escrow account to ensure that they get paid. They do have a term that says In the event of non-payment by an Advertiser, and If MaxBounty elects in its own discretion not to make payment to Affiliate, an Affiliate's recourse for any earned commissions not paid shall be to make a claim against the relevant Advertiser(s), and MaxBounty disclaims any and all liability for such payment.

However there is a difference in them not getting paid and willfully making and effort to defraud. Now I am not saying that Maxbounty did that because the reality is that the casino is more than likely not paying out. I guess my point is why would anyone run ads for a company who is not going to pay you and then when you call them out they basically say "to bad"

 

[BassTrackerBoats]

As an advertisers you have to deposit funds into an escrow account to ensure that they get paid. They do have a term that says In the event of non-payment by an Advertiser, and If MaxBounty elects in its own discretion not to make payment to Affiliate, an Affiliate's recourse for any earned commissions not paid shall be to make a claim against the relevant Advertiser(s), and MaxBounty disclaims any and all liability for such payment.

However there is a difference in them not getting paid and willfully making and effort to defraud. Now I am not saying that Maxbounty did that because the reality is that the casino is more than likely not paying out. I guess my point is why would anyone run ads for a company who is not going to pay you and then when you call them out they basically say "to bad"

I never read those two sentences, or if I read them I forgot them, but nailing MB on this is going to be close to impossible.

Yeah, advertisers make a deposit to get on the board, but they can also say, "This is not a valid lead" based on whatever criteria they have in place.

Sounds to me yours are legit but there are hidden rules that the advertiser had that do not get disclosed all the time.

Maybe the ones you signed up did not make any money for the advertiser (user did not deposit more funds after the initial one which is my guess why they didn't pay), maybe the signups came too close together and they thought there was some kind of fraud on your end, or maybe the advertiser is scum.

Hard to say why they did not pay you for sure but they have their algo they use and right or wrong they hold the cash AND the leads.

See if your friends get offers from them or other casino type sites and if so you got screwed as they are using/selling those leads.

 

[leechesBleechin]

As an advertisers you have to deposit funds into an escrow account to ensure that they get paid. They do have a term that says In the event of non-payment by an Advertiser, and If MaxBounty elects in its own discretion not to make payment to Affiliate, an Affiliate's recourse for any earned commissions not paid shall be to make a claim against the relevant Advertiser(s), and MaxBounty disclaims any and all liability for such payment.

However there is a difference in them not getting paid and willfully making and effort to defraud. Now I am not saying that Maxbounty did that because the reality is that the casino is more than likely not paying out. I guess my point is why would anyone run ads for a company who is not going to pay you and then when you call them out they basically say "to bad"

The fact that it's a casino not paying out might make your legal battle much easier. They have licenses and they have to abide by terms to keep those licenses, with an entire regulatory industry they need to answer to. I suggest you make a complaint with that regulatory agency, it might actually go somewhere. No need to really go after MB, they already gave you the name of the advertiser who you CAN go after, rather easily as well. I might be out of my depth no doubt, I'm not a regulatory expert nore a lawyer, But you should look into it. RD is located in Denver I believe. (i may be mistaken on where they are located)

 

[cpa_guy]

if you were silent, they would be silent as well,probably. i think you have just triggered something

 

[mobileappz18]

I urge you to go and reas the terms and conditions.. i am an advertiser and i do have fraud detection techniques in place.. before you start talking abiut lawsuit make sure yoy read terms and conditions.. alot of pple really have no clue what it takes to go to court & win lawsuit ..

 

[chuckans]

The one thing everyone in here seems to be in denial of is that these companies shave your leads... They do. It's a dog eat dog world out there and if you don't think a person could shave your leads on an online platform and blame it on 'technical issues' then you are in for a rude awakening. Why is the earth going to shits? Climate change etc? Why are we destroying everything? Because we are lost. The only one not lost is the one who knows who he is. And a very few handful of people knows the truth. The truth that we are everyone we look out at. That we, or I, as both me and you, are completely alone with our own schizophrenic YOUniverse...

People would rather harm, destroy and kill others than to look at the truth behind this world the ancient called Maya.They knew they were everything...! We don't. Sure, we might have the mental aspect (brain) but oh boy do we lack the spiritual one (gut). Mass psychosis! (& "Auto immune disorder").

Edit: OF COURSE THEY SHAVE.

 

[mbfootball47]

Every offer on Maxbounty has a list of traffic sources they allow (contextual, search, social, etc). I've never seen word of mouth or in-person advertising listed on an offer as allowed.

So wouldn't OP's method of advertising not comply with the terms and conditions of promoting the offer and therefore they have the right to not pay out his leads? Even though I personally think they are legitimate leads.

 

[legendahomer]

Simple answer indeed

If publisher doesn't pay network ( Maxbounty, Cpagrip ), network will not pay you. Easy as that. Don't bother with that.

 

[KamBhai]

Buddy, really very sorry to hear your story.
Indeed its a lot of money.
But it is what it is, do whatever you want to do, you are not getting your money back.
This exactly made me quit affiliate networks.
COntact the advertisers directly and have no middle man.

 

[AlphaDraconian]

How are you gonna file a lawsuit if it costs more then what you earned from the offer! its not so simple otherwise everyone would go after those cpa networks,my guess is that the advertiser probably wanted the leads to pay alot more then the initial signup amount,you said you were suppose to get 140$ but do you remember how much the leads actually gambled away? maybe not that much or they actually won alot so the advertiser didnt wanna pay up,or they just shaved those leads which would be rly scummy! but atleast maxbounty actually removed them from their network.

 

[AlphaDraconian]

Buddy, really very sorry to hear your story.
Indeed its a lot of money.
But it is what it is, do whatever you want to do, you are not getting your money back.
This exactly made me quit affiliate networks.
COntact the advertisers directly and have no middle man.

Its not so simple there is a reason why those networks exist and its precisely to combat fraud from the advertisers side because if you cut out the middlemen then there is no protection for you,so you can send so much converting traffic and the advertiser just vanishes never paying you a single dime.
Shure shady advertisers will exist even on the networks that will shave the leads etc.. but once they are caught they will be removed from the network, again its the networks job to provide protection just like the freelancer sites like fiverr etc.. they take their cut but provide protection otherwise the workers would just take the money and run lool.

 

[SERPhustler]

I can confirm that Maxbounty shaves a lot. I sent buyer traffic using Google ads in a past campaign and not a single sale, whereas I had sales for similar product from other network using similar buyer keywords. Maxbounty must be avoided like you avoid GoDaddy for hosting. That's my experience.

 

[callmecrist]

So a week or two ago I was in a training class that was very boring in another city. I was bored so I was playing poker on my phone to pass the time. The couple sitting next to me ask me what site I was playing on and I told them and I told them if they visited one of my websites and clicked the link (it was an affiliate link from maxbounty) they would get a 200% deposit credit. Before long I had about half the class playing poker from my affiliate link. I had seven total sign up but I really only talked to a few of them very much during the class that sit near me but I showed them how to play so I knew they clicked my link and made a deposit.

The program was suppose to pay $140 per sign up so I thought thats cool it will pay for my trip. But days go by and nothing shows up in my maxbounty account. So I email the people who signed up and they sent me a screen shot of their sign up and I go to my rep at Maxbounty and ask why I was never paid. I provided her at least one user name of the users who signed up (I didnt want to tell them there were several before I knew how they would reply).

So I get a message back that says "I have some bad news. The advertiser of Red Dog has completely disregarded the information we sent over and has in turn pulled you from the offer. We are in talks with him now about this and I am pushing to pull the offer from our network. Very sorry about this."

I have spoke with several of the people who signed up and it makes me wonder how many of us they screw over out of sign ups. They are fast to ban accounts if they suspect fraud but they have no responsibility when they are caught committing fraud. I am seriously considering filing a civil suit because it would at least open up discovery and force them to turn over documents to see how often this really happens.

'Red Dog' is quite well known for showing very high payout but don't pay in the end due to unprofitable leads. Their offer can be found in many CPA networks. And the way they work is to spread out the net as wide as possible in an attempt to capture as many deposit as possible. Thereafter, they will filter according to profitability. Leads that do not profit them they won't pay and will classify them as poor lead quality.

Things that they do to determine if leads are poor quality are listed below (there could be more)
1) Similar deposit amount across all your leads
2) Min deposit amount across all your leads
3) Most important, you must have losers who lose more than $140 (payout). If you send 7 leads, at least there must be one who lose that amount.
4) IP ranges where the signup occurs. 3G/4G won't help if the location of signup is very nearby. You will be able to see that the signup are all coming from a particular city.

To conclude, try to stay away from Casino FTD offer unless you are very sure your leads are clean, traceable and profitable for them. If you are not sure, opt for CPL as these are usually run by middleman offer broker who is willing to take the risk for a higher payout. Chances of payment will be higher as long as you are not doing any fraud. They will cut you off if traffic is poor but still for the leads.

 

[santi7000]

Thats the problem with most casino affiliate programs they will fraud you and then blame you when you accuse them of fraud. Thats why i stopped being a casino affiliate. Red dog is a known scam look it up.