Sold car, laptops, phones and took 10,000 credit. All in Shiba.

[oatmeal]

I strongly believe that in our honest and realistic answers we should not forget the forum is full of kids that read our responses to others and consider them to build up their ideas, that in the best case are already confused enough.

This my friend is the problem. Everyone and nobody on here is an expert financial advisor. Therefore, it is up to each individual to decide where and from whom to get financial advice.
We are not to be responsible. Everything needs to be taken with a grain of salt.

 

[splishsplash]

Hmm, you may be right, but then again, it's still a gamble making that statement. How is it that you know for certain all of these shitcoins are a one time pump and will not be around in 5-10 years?
That's a gamble of a statement. Predicting the future like that is a gamble.

Is it not blaringly obvious?

Predicting the future is not gambling. That is just not what gambling is.

Gambling is where you don't have any data about the outcome.

Really, gambling isn't even gambling.

It's just math. Roulette isn't actually gambling. You aren't gambling anything. You are with 100% certainty giving your money away as time tends to infinity.

I don't know for sure these shitcoins aren't a one time pump, but it's really simple numbers.

Let's look at the simple facts.

There are 1000's upon 1000's of them.

The majority of them do the same thing.

The majority of them have no real team behind them.

Many of them don't even have a website.

Many of them don't even have a real use case.

There's nothing wrong with putting $50 in a shitcoin as a gamble based on what you think the market is likely to do.

But almost none of these shitcoins have real fundamentals. They go up based on human emotion. shiba only went up because it's a fucking dog.

It is a JOKE COIN. It has no future. It's like investing in someone creating a joke version of microsoft, that isn't real, and does nothing.

Doge is a joke coin. The only reason it's gone up is because of a few celebs. That's DANGEROUS FUNDAMENTALS.

Do you really want to invest your life savings in something where the fundamental value is what Elon Musk, Snoop Dog and Mark Cuban?

What happens the minute they realize that Cardano is better? Cardano is a crypto ecosystem, designed to be better than Etherium and made to make it super easy to move ERC-20 token coins over to the Cardano ecosystem and it's created by the co-founder of Etherium, Charles Hoskinson. It's a third generation cryptocurrency and it's been built from the ground up to handle scaling issues and keep network fees low unlike Etherium, which is just a joke to do anything on because of the fees. If Etherium scaled and was in use fees would be in the $1000's just to make a transfer. It is not usable, and it's not easy for them to fix it.

They're building a constitution within it to create a self-sustaining governance.

Cardano is also aiming to allow cross chain transfers which means you can transfer crypto from other blockchains without using any intermediate services.

I could go on and on here. It's just utterly OUTRAGEOUS to even compare Cardano to a shit-dog-coin. Many of you guys *really* need to do your fucking homework, because you're flying completely blind here. I think 99% of you don't know the difference between Cardano and Doge let alone understand Defi or smart contracts and the myriad of use cases that crypto is attempting to fulfill, from insurance, to online shopping to betting on the outcome of games.

All these shitcoins do NOTHING. They are just coins.

The problem is, crypto is a really obscure technology and people don't understand it. Let me give you a physical example to try and help you understand how ridiculous shitcoins are :-

It's like, I'm sitting in my bedroom making coins out of cereal boxes and slapping a picture of my favorite breed of dog on them, then selling them to a bunch of idiots, and some celebs think it's cool, so they tweet about it, and more idiots swing by my house to by my "coins".

Then, 1000's of other morons decide to make coins out of cereal boxes, but instead of slapping a Shiba Inu picture on them, they slap some other nonsense on them.

Meanwhile, this is Cardano

This is what they're building.

And then you have people that are saying "Hm, I think I'll put my life savings on this guy's cardboard coins with a picture of his favorite dog, because I feel like it's a gamble either way"

If you want to make REAL MONEY, then forget shitcoins. You may as well go and just put your life savings on 0 in roulette.

EVERYONE except for the occasional few people you hear about who got lucky(You have a better chance of winning 0 on roulette than you do becoming a millionaire with shitcoins)..

EVERYONE who made a lot of money, already had money.

They didn't gamble on some shitcoins. They bought bitcoin, for example, last May 2020 when it was low because they realized the direction the world is moving in.

When it shot up in jan, they sold a good chunk and bought some top 100 coins, knowing that this is how the market behaves. They then sold off some of the 2-5x gains from those top 100's and went for some top 1000's knowing that, again, this is where the market moves. Profits from there then roll back into bitcoin and the top 10.

They take their initial $100k, invest it in may, 7-8x that turning it into $700k to 800k, take some of that and 2-3x it in top 100 coins. Take some of that and invest it in top 1000's, then cash out and buy back bitcoin and some other solid top 10's, now holding more like $2mil-$3mil worth. These are the guys who hold and buy more when it drops. The really big ones sold off, manipulated the market and made money out of all the panicking people who think because china is banning miners that crypto is ending, then they bought all the bitcoin back when it hit $30k. Easy money. Watch bitcoin fly to $400k+ by the end of the year.

If you want to get IN on the action, then stop following trends. Stop buying shitcoins. Learn about cryptos and buy good projects when the market is in FEAR. You could have bought up a shit ton of cardano a couple of days ago, and cardano will be worth between $20 and $100 within the next 10 years. Minimum $20-$30. Stick $100k in that and in 10 years you're going to have $2mil to $10 mil. Without any buying/selling or playing the markets. Just buying a good project and holding for a long period. (Of course it's good to sell up in chunks near the end of a bull run and buy back when it goes lower, but that's harder, and you don't even need to. You just have to hold for a long time and keep buying good projects with everything you make from your business. Real wealth is not made from some shitcoin in 2 weeks. It's made by putting your money in clever places based on the direction the world is moving, and doing this for a lifetime)

 

[splishsplash]

Also, I'd like to add something here that I feel is quite important.

Most of the people who are either going to make losses, or just a bit of money from crypto are treating it as a "get in and get out".

This isn't what it is.

It's like, imagine the atmosphere on Earth is going to change in 10-15 years and it won't be oxygen. People are making new masks to breath. You guys are buying and selling those masks to make money now and spend it on other stuff and hold fiat currency.

The smart ones are just buying the masks. 100's of them. When the atmosphere on the earth changes, they'll be able to breath, while everyone else will die.

That's just an analogy obviously.

The point here is that the financial ecosystem is set to change. The goal should not be to get in and get out. It should be to GET THE FUCK IN, and build up wealth in crypto because in the future all that crypto you hold will have REAL VALUE. You will be able to use those cryptos to do things, and they will be worth way way more than if you'd held fiat, or just bought some stocks or property.(I also think a bit of diversification is good, don't put 100% in crypto, but that's another story)

Yes, it's good to get in and get out at key points, but, you don't have to do this. Just learn about crypto, buy good projects and hold hold hold for 10-15 years. That's it. You'l have a good future if you do that. Those that do that are going to be the ones others are jealous of in 10-15 years time. The guys, who in 2013-2014 bought and held bitcoin that you all wish you were. That could be you in 10-15 years time, but you have to make the clever moves. Don't be a greedy/needy moron who wants to make a quick 5 figures on a shitcoin.

Build your business. Make money and put that money in CLEVER places and you will have a great future. It's that fucking simple. You don't need to be a financial advisor. Finance is fairly simple. It's complex to day trade and do fancy stuff, but just to give yourself a good future is really stupidly simple.

Look at this

If you put in $10k initial, and then $5k every month for 25 years with something with a 9% return (This is less than the S&P500 which has a 100 year average of 10%) then you'd end up with $5.1 million.

And that's just $5k/mo. That amount of money is enough to retire and have a good life. It'll be worth a bit less with inflation, but it's that simple.

But no one does this. People gamble in the short term, then spend on crap that brings them no real pleasure because they're stressed about money all the time.

Now, imagine instead of just a 9% return you have the opportunity you do with crypto that can give you insane returns over the next 10 years, like we won't see for a very long time..

 

[Fakker]

Is it not blaringly obvious?

Predicting the future is not gambling. That is just not what gambling is.

Gambling is where you don't have any data about the outcome.

Really, gambling isn't even gambling.

It's just math. Roulette isn't actually gambling. You aren't gambling anything. You are with 100% certainty giving your money away as time tends to infinity.

I don't know for sure these shitcoins aren't a one time pump, but it's really simple numbers.

Let's look at the simple facts.

There are 1000's upon 1000's of them.

The majority of them do the same thing.

The majority of them have no real team behind them.

Many of them don't even have a website.

Many of them don't even have a real use case.

There's nothing wrong with putting $50 in a shitcoin as a gamble based on what you think the market is likely to do.

But almost none of these shitcoins have real fundamentals. They go up based on human emotion. shiba only went up because it's a fucking dog.

It is a JOKE COIN. It has no future. It's like investing in someone creating a joke version of microsoft, that isn't real, and does nothing.

Doge is a joke coin. The only reason it's gone up is because of a few celebs. That's DANGEROUS FUNDAMENTALS.

Do you really want to invest your life savings in something where the fundamental value is what Elon Musk, Snoop Dog and Mark Cuban?

What happens the minute they realize that Cardano is better? Cardano is a crypto ecosystem, designed to be better than Etherium and made to make it super easy to move ERC-20 token coins over to the Cardano ecosystem and it's created by the co-founder of Etherium, Charles Hoskinson. It's a third generation cryptocurrency and it's been built from the ground up to handle scaling issues and keep network fees low unlike Etherium, which is just a joke to do anything on because of the fees. If Etherium scaled and was in use fees would be in the $1000's just to make a transfer. It is not usable, and it's not easy for them to fix it.

They're building a constitution within it to create a self-sustaining governance.

Cardano is also aiming to allow cross chain transfers which means you can transfer crypto from other blockchains without using any intermediate services.

I could go on and on here. It's just utterly OUTRAGEOUS to even compare Cardano to a shit-dog-coin. Many of you guys *really* need to do your fucking homework, because you're flying completely blind here. I think 99% of you don't know the difference between Cardano and Doge let alone understand Defi or smart contracts and the myriad of use cases that crypto is attempting to fulfill, from insurance, to online shopping to betting on the outcome of games.

All these shitcoins do NOTHING. They are just coins.

The problem is, crypto is a really obscure technology and people don't understand it. Let me give you a physical example to try and help you understand how ridiculous shitcoins are :-

It's like, I'm sitting in my bedroom making coins out of cereal boxes and slapping a picture of my favorite breed of dog on them, then selling them to a bunch of idiots, and some celebs think it's cool, so they tweet about it, and more idiots swing by my house to by my "coins".

Then, 1000's of other morons decide to make coins out of cereal boxes, but instead of slapping a Shiba Inu picture on them, they slap some other nonsense on them.

Meanwhile, this is Cardano

This is what they're building.

And then you have people that are saying "Hm, I think I'll put my life savings on this guy's cardboard coins with a picture of his favorite dog, because I feel like it's a gamble either way"

If you want to make REAL MONEY, then forget shitcoins. You may as well go and just put your life savings on 0 in roulette.

EVERYONE except for the occasional few people you hear about who got lucky(You have a better chance of winning 0 on roulette than you do becoming a millionaire with shitcoins)..

EVERYONE who made a lot of money, already had money.

They didn't gamble on some shitcoins. They bought bitcoin, for example, last May 2020 when it was low because they realized the direction the world is moving in.

When it shot up in jan, they sold a good chunk and bought some top 100 coins, knowing that this is how the market behaves. They then sold off some of the 2-5x gains from those top 100's and went for some top 1000's knowing that, again, this is where the market moves. Profits from there then roll back into bitcoin and the top 10.

They take their initial $100k, invest it in may, 7-8x that turning it into $700k to 800k, take some of that and 2-3x it in top 100 coins. Take some of that and invest it in top 1000's, then cash out and buy back bitcoin and some other solid top 10's, now holding more like $2mil-$3mil worth. These are the guys who hold and buy more when it drops. The really big ones sold off, manipulated the market and made money out of all the panicking people who think because china is banning miners that crypto is ending, then they bought all the bitcoin back when it hit $30k. Easy money. Watch bitcoin fly to $400k+ by the end of the year.

If you want to get IN on the action, then stop following trends. Stop buying shitcoins. Learn about cryptos and buy good projects when the market is in FEAR. You could have bought up a shit ton of cardano a couple of days ago, and cardano will be worth between $20 and $100 within the next 10 years. Minimum $20-$30. Stick $100k in that and in 10 years you're going to have $2mil to $10 mil. Without any buying/selling or playing the markets. Just buying a good project and holding for a long period. (Of course it's good to sell up in chunks near the end of a bull run and buy back when it goes lower, but that's harder, and you don't even need to. You just have to hold for a long time and keep buying good projects with everything you make from your business. Real wealth is not made from some shitcoin in 2 weeks. It's made by putting your money in clever places based on the direction the world is moving, and doing this for a lifetime)

What you don't get is: if you keep posting such useful contributions, I may end up stalking you.
Which is a legal felony.

Please stop.

(Please don't)

 

[duckduckgoo]

What you don't get is: if you keep posting such useful contributions, I may end up stalking you.
Which is a legal felony.

Please stop.

(Please don't)

I am not troll and final today my last investment double, leash grew 80% from last purchase. On next double i will able to get profit and if wanted to pay loan back, instead with profit i grow ethirium portfolio.
With shiboswap i can tell leash easy to go to some 50,000$ and me buy lambo and ethirium more

i prove you all wrong when lambo is purchase and that i not bed guy

i have reserved my lambo style

I woulda lost only if i listen to you all to sell when coin drop, some people here are jealous for me having steelball

@splishsplash with method you post it is fine but there is no lambo and if one day you get money you only pull them to your grave -value none as you old.
Also shiba is not Doge it is a exchange eco system that when staked you earn interest in bone and btc and eth. I appreciate your thought but learn about project before saying it is sheeT

@splishsplash tell me a name of one bank of these you post for retirement that helped innocent people from covid, there is none but shiba did give billions to poor people at all time high and it is already recover from that, now down only because of btc deep

 

[ragnarson]

lambo toy?

 

[duckduckgoo]

lambo toy?

Real lambo saying groooooom and eat 30 liter gasoline in five minut

 

[Deleted member 1455908]

Real lambo saying groooooom and eat 30 liter gasoline in five minut

And that, Ladies and Gentlemen, is how you go from "risky investor on a YOLO" to fucking retard, all in the space of one sentence.

 

[duckduckgoo]

And that, Ladies and Gentlemen, is how you go from "risky investor on a YOLO" to fucking retard, all in the space of one sentence.

I can be all but certainly i not retard my friend, time will show

 

[oatmeal]

Is it not blaringly obvious?

Predicting the future is not gambling. That is just not what gambling is.

Gambling is where you don't have any data about the outcome.

Really, gambling isn't even gambling.

It's just math.

Thanks for your response. I have to politely disagree with this statement.

In many cases it's about math, but in many cases gambling has nothing to do with math.
Multi-billion/million dollar companies are not just making up guesses. They have data behind every decision they make. It doesn't mean it's accurate or going to be true,
but they aren't just putting on blindfolds making random guesses. They have data.

It's like two caged fighters. Each of them have trained for specific tendencies of their opponent, and developed an approach or style with a perceived and intended objective
or outcome. It doesn't mean everything will go according to plan, but most of the time it does (which is why those that are successful are successful). You can choose to
sit back and counter, win on points if you think that is the best way to win the fight OR you can go on the offensive looking for the knockout, but both are gambling because
each decision has numerous potential outcomes but nobody can know for sure.

That's why I said, if you win, people won't call that gambling. They'll tell you what a smart businessman / investor / financial expert you are.
If you lose, then suddenly you have a gambling problem.

 

[oatmeal]

Build your business. Make money and put that money in CLEVER places and you will have a great future. It's that fucking simple. You don't need to be a financial advisor. Finance is fairly simple. It's complex to day trade and do fancy stuff, but just to give yourself a good future is really stupidly simple.

Look at this

If you put in $10k initial, and then $5k every month for 25 years with something with a 9% return (This is less than the S&P500 which has a 100 year average of 10%) then you'd end up with $5.1 million.

And that's just $5k/mo. That amount of money is enough to retire and have a good life. It'll be worth a bit less with inflation, but it's that simple.

But no one does this. People gamble in the short term, then spend on crap that brings them no real pleasure because they're stressed about money all the time.

Now, imagine instead of just a 9% return you have the opportunity you do with crypto that can give you insane returns over the next 10 years, like we won't see for a very long time..

You make a lot of good points.
It's simple yes if you actually have 5K every month to contribute to compound savings interest account like that for 25 years lol.
The reality is most people don't even make 5K every month, let alone have 5K leftover after all expenses, deductions, bills.
So it's not so simple. It would mean you have to have at least $10K a month coming in or make over six figures a year. But in principle,
yes, the idea is pretty simple. For the majority of people, it's more like being able to contribute $100 - $200 bucks a month (which is still
good if you do that for like 30-35 years compounded).

I wonder why schools never teach us this? Makes you wonder. I first learned about compound interest from listening to a Tony Robbins self-help tape
back in my college days.

 

[splishsplash]

Thanks for your response. I have to politely disagree with this statement.

In many cases it's about math, but in many cases gambling has nothing to do with math.
Multi-billion/million dollar companies are not just making up guesses. They have data behind every decision they make. It doesn't mean it's accurate or going to be true,
but they aren't just putting on blindfolds making random guesses. They have data.

It's like two caged fighters. Each of them have trained for specific tendencies of their opponent, and developed an approach or style with a perceived and intended objective
or outcome. It doesn't mean everything will go according to plan, but most of the time it does (which is why those that are successful are successful). You can choose to
sit back and counter, win on points if you think that is the best way to win the fight OR you can go on the offensive looking for the knockout, but both are gambling because
each decision has numerous potential outcomes but nobody can know for sure.

That's why I said, if you win, people won't call that gambling. They'll tell you what a smart businessman / investor / financial expert you are.
If you lose, then suddenly you have a gambling problem.

The thing is though, betting on 2 fighters is still not really gambling.

This is why sports betting shops give you odds.

It's not a 50/50. At least in the vast majority of cases. You won't find someone giving you equal odds on both fighters.

If you bet $100 on fighter 1, you might get $150 if you win. If you bet $100 on fighter 2, you get $300.

Gambling is really just making a bet when the odds aren't in your favor.

Which is any casino/sports betting shop.

When you're investing, you aren't competing against a casino. You can decide where to invest purely based on your own data.

The thing you're not understanding is that being a smart businessman means you win all the time.

That's why it's not gambling.

If you think a coin has a 20% chance of 2xing and an 80% chance of dropping to 10% its value, then you are guaranteed to lose. Why? Because if you make those moves over your life, then 1 out of 5 times you will double your money, and 4 out of 5 times you will lose 90% of it.

This is why you can win all the time, or you can lose all the time.

Gambling is when you have no fucking clue what's going to happen and you just make a wild guess and hope for the best. This is what people here do with shitcoins.

Bitcoin for example, if you study the charts and the market you can say with 95% certainty that it will never again drop below 20% and it has a very strong, 50/50 chance of going to $300k-$500k this bull run.

THAT makes it an excellent investment at this time. It isn't gambling, because if you make those moves time and time again, you WIN.

If I say to you

You have a 37% chance of tripling your money and a 63% chance of losing half its value. You should take it. Every day of the week.

We don't always have these exact figures, but if you're smart and you understand fundamentals and charts you can make really good assessments.

Long term trading is really far from gambling. It's not that difficult.

Day trading is hard, but long term trading is not gambling.

You make a lot of good points.
It's simple yes if you actually have 5K every month to contribute to compound savings interest account like that for 25 years lol.
The reality is most people don't even make 5K every month, let alone have 5K leftover after all expenses, deductions, bills.
So it's not so simple. It would mean you have to have at least $10K a month coming in or make over six figures a year. But in principle,
yes, the idea is pretty simple. For the majority of people, it's more like being able to contribute $100 - $200 bucks a month (which is still
good if you do that for like 30-35 years compounded).

I wonder why schools never teach us this? Makes you wonder. I first learned about compound interest from listening to a Tony Robbins self-help tape
back in my college days.

$5k/mo is nothing. It's very easy to make $10k/mo profit with your own business. That's a TINY amount.

If someone can't make even $5k/mo, then they aren't going to have a mind for trading and long term investment, so the whole thing becomes pointless.

It's really not that hard. Anyone with moderate intelligence and focus can do it. $500k/mo is hard, but $5k/mo, no.

I say $5k/mo precisely because it's a small amount. $10k/mo is within reach of anyone. Live off $5k/mo and invest $5k/mo for 25 years and you're wealthy in 25 years with a nice car, nice home, ability to go on holiday and comfort for the rest of your days.

This is the thing, people are all or nothing. They want to make 10's of millions and drive lambos, or they complain that $5k/mo is a lot. And they want the lambos and the crap now. Today.

The reality is, it's hard to ONLY make $10k/mo. If you reach that, you can reach $50k/mo, and if you reach $50k/mo you can probably reach $200k/mo.

 

[oatmeal]

$5k/mo is nothing. It's very easy to make $10k/mo profit with your own business. That's a TINY amount.

If someone can't make even $5k/mo, then they aren't going to have a mind for trading and long term investment, so the whole thing becomes pointless.

It's really not that hard. Anyone with moderate intelligence and focus can do it. $500k/mo is hard, but $5k/mo, no.

I say $5k/mo precisely because it's a small amount. $10k/mo is within reach of anyone. Live off $5k/mo and invest $5k/mo for 25 years and you're wealthy in 25 years with a nice car, nice home, ability to go on holiday and comfort for the rest of your days.

This is the thing, people are all or nothing. They want to make 10's of millions and drive lambos, or they complain that $5k/mo is a lot. And they want the lambos and the crap now. Today.

The reality is, it's hard to ONLY make $10k/mo. If you reach that, you can reach $50k/mo, and if you reach $50k/mo you can probably reach $200k/mo.

To sum it up:

investing and gambling both involve risk and choice—specifically, the risk of capital with hopes of future profit. ... But gambling is typically a short-lived activity, while equities investing can last a lifetime. Also, there is a negative expected return to gamblers, on average and over the long run.

Also, then the OP's 17 grand in is not really that much money if it's easy to make 5 to 10k a month. I was saying the same thing.

 

[duckduckgoo]

The thing is though, betting on 2 fighters is still not really gambling.

This is why sports betting shops give you odds.

It's not a 50/50. At least in the vast majority of cases. You won't find someone giving you equal odds on both fighters.

If you bet $100 on fighter 1, you might get $150 if you win. If you bet $100 on fighter 2, you get $300.

Gambling is really just making a bet when the odds aren't in your favor.

Which is any casino/sports betting shop.

When you're investing, you aren't competing against a casino. You can decide where to invest purely based on your own data.

The thing you're not understanding is that being a smart businessman means you win all the time.

That's why it's not gambling.

If you think a coin has a 20% chance of 2xing and an 80% chance of dropping to 10% its value, then you are guaranteed to lose. Why? Because if you make those moves over your life, then 1 out of 5 times you will double your money, and 4 out of 5 times you will lose 90% of it.

This is why you can win all the time, or you can lose all the time.

Gambling is when you have no fucking clue what's going to happen and you just make a wild guess and hope for the best. This is what people here do with shitcoins.

Bitcoin for example, if you study the charts and the market you can say with 95% certainty that it will never again drop below 20% and it has a very strong, 50/50 chance of going to $300k-$500k this bull run.

THAT makes it an excellent investment at this time. It isn't gambling, because if you make those moves time and time again, you WIN.

If I say to you

You have a 37% chance of tripling your money and a 63% chance of losing half its value. You should take it. Every day of the week.

We don't always have these exact figures, but if you're smart and you understand fundamentals and charts you can make really good assessments.

Long term trading is really far from gambling. It's not that difficult.

Day trading is hard, but long term trading is not gambling.



$5k/mo is nothing. It's very easy to make $10k/mo profit with your own business. That's a TINY amount.

If someone can't make even $5k/mo, then they aren't going to have a mind for trading and long term investment, so the whole thing becomes pointless.

It's really not that hard. Anyone with moderate intelligence and focus can do it. $500k/mo is hard, but $5k/mo, no.

I say $5k/mo precisely because it's a small amount. $10k/mo is within reach of anyone. Live off $5k/mo and invest $5k/mo for 25 years and you're wealthy in 25 years with a nice car, nice home, ability to go on holiday and comfort for the rest of your days.

This is the thing, people are all or nothing. They want to make 10's of millions and drive lambos, or they complain that $5k/mo is a lot. And they want the lambos and the crap now. Today.

The reality is, it's hard to ONLY make $10k/mo. If you reach that, you can reach $50k/mo, and if you reach $50k/mo you can probably reach $200k/mo.

I feel like i need to donate you so long text bro many thing you right but shib not shite coin it is complete platform to be soon in release like a bank that pay you eth and btc and some bone saving account

 

[BruceBegin77]

I don't understand! why gamble this way?

 

[duckduckgoo]

I don't understand! why gamble this way?

I stop gambling recent, this is just better option like investing

 

[splishsplash]

To sum it up:

investing and gambling both involve risk and choice—specifically, the risk of capital with hopes of future profit. ... But gambling is typically a short-lived activity, while equities investing can last a lifetime. Also, there is a negative expected return to gamblers, on average and over the long run.

Also, then the OP's 17 grand in is not really that much money if it's easy to make 5 to 10k a month. I was saying the same thing.

17 grand is a lot if he's had to take out a 10k loan and sell stuff. I would never invest like that. He would be better off not getting a loan to begin with, selling the stuff and using the 7k to start a business online. Just not SEO, because it's too hard these days and requires too much capital. Very few newbies succeed in SEO, but there are lots of ways to make money on the internet.

 

[duckduckgoo]

17 grand is a lot if he's had to take out a 10k loan and sell stuff. I would never invest like that. He would be better off not getting a loan to begin with, selling the stuff and using the 7k to start a business online. Just not SEO, because it's too hard these days and requires too much capital. Very few newbies succeed in SEO, but there are lots of ways to make money on the internet.

Ok i start SEO to just compete you i loving do thing you say not do.
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[Wooten]

17 grand is a lot if he's had to take out a 10k loan and sell stuff. I would never invest like that. He would be better off not getting a loan to begin with, selling the stuff and using the 7k to start a business online. Just not SEO, because it's too hard these days and requires too much capital. Very few newbies succeed in SEO, but there are lots of ways to make money on the internet.

So what CAN you start with $7k ? It doesn't seem like a good amount of money to start a business

 

[lurker123]

He was a degenerate gambler. That is, a man who gambled simply to gamble and must lose. As a hero who goes to war must die. Show me a gambler and I'll show you a loser, show me a hero and I'll show you a corpse.

Mario Puzo

Spine chilling quote.