Anyone else making money streaming with Spotify?

[ditzo78]

Not in any significant numbers.

Hi Streamkite,

I am planning something on a large scale regarding the spotify player, Could you DM me?
I am just wondering if you are providing coaching and the rules for acheiving success in this area. I would like to explain to you what I am planning and get your input if that is okay.

Cheers

 

[streamkite]

Hi Streamkite,

I am planning something on a large scale regarding the spotify player, Could you DM me?
I am just wondering if you are providing coaching and the rules for acheiving success in this area. I would like to explain to you what I am planning and get your input if that is okay.

Cheers

No, I don't provide coaching or anything like that.

 

[ditzo78]

No, I don't provide coaching or anything like that.

Let me rephrase, not on going coaching, I just have some questions and I would like to get your opinion on my type of way that I want to go about this. Its probably what youve answered before in DMs.

I am just excited myself about this because I thought of this a few months ago and didnt realize the knowledge about this area, and I just want to learn so I can build my own way of doing it.

Cheers

 

[Aluminium]

No, I don't provide coaching or anything like that.

I saw somebody mention that you need several accounts over many different distributors.. but what if you've been making music under the same name for years?

I've got HUNDREDS of beats/songs laying around and would love to genuinely monetize them lol

Some of them are quite good as well (or so I've been told)

My question is... can you just upload hundreds of tracks as one artist? If so, would you still spread across a bunch of different distributors?

 

[streamkite]

My question is... can you just upload hundreds of tracks as one artist? If so, would you still spread across a bunch of different distributors?

Yes, but then if your artist is taken down, you'll lose everything. The idea is to diversify and spread the risk across many accounts under different artist names.

 

[ditzo78]

OK, I will ask the questions here instead.


1. I have data from spotify users per country, and how much is made per country. Would it be wise to balance listeners from each country that listen to the tracks? For example USA listeners are 12 and Iceland listeners are 2, USA has more population.

2. How do you go about creating accounts (free) from other countries without them being taken down within 24 hours proxy vpn? Safer to crack premium accounts or just pay for them?

3. My concept is to use virtual androids on linux and spoof their information (build number, version, model, etc..) to hide their fingerprint. Each device would have their own “Schedule” and would run through a list of Schedule profiles that I create, maybe a few hundred profiles and just run through them each day and set the local time on phone and using playlists. Obviously a mix of popular artists and new ones and a few of my artists. I figured most people use spotify on their mobile 70%, and with such small plays on each song it wouldn't really matter I dont think. I checked on spotify's privacy policy page and covered everything listed there, is there any notable fingerprint areas that i need to spoof? I am actually quite excited for the new amd server cpus to come out, zen 4 are 96 cores and capability for dual socket, pair that with a few TB of ram and I think I could run a few couple hundred androids on there

4. I would be paying for a VPN for each user (9 licenses per account $2.3 a month) and setting that VPN in each users country (doing this for artists too while just uploading music) Would a proxy be better suited to this? I am worried that the VPN service will run out of IP’s and double over on some users. I saw you mentioned a VPS in the forum, is there a brief explanation in explaining why that is there?

5. You mention socks5 proxies, regarding my previous questions would this be more favorable to VPN?

6. Safe number of plays by each user on a song per month?

I have probably missed a lot but ive noted down most of what youve said in this thread and taken it into account.

 

[PaulSco]

OK, I will ask the questions here instead.


1. I have data from spotify users per country, and how much is made per country. Would it be wise to balance listeners from each country that listen to the tracks? For example USA listeners are 12 and Iceland listeners are 2, USA has more population.

2. How do you go about creating accounts (free) from other countries without them being taken down within 24 hours proxy vpn? Safer to crack premium accounts or just pay for them?

3. My concept is to use virtual androids on linux and spoof their information (build number, version, model, etc..) to hide their fingerprint. Each device would have their own “Schedule” and would run through a list of Schedule profiles that I create, maybe a few hundred profiles and just run through them each day and set the local time on phone and using playlists. Obviously a mix of popular artists and new ones and a few of my artists. I figured most people use spotify on their mobile 70%, and with such small plays on each song it wouldn't really matter I dont think. I checked on spotify's privacy policy page and covered everything listed there, is there any notable fingerprint areas that i need to spoof? I am actually quite excited for the new amd server cpus to come out, zen 4 are 96 cores and capability for dual socket, pair that with a few TB of ram and I think I could run a few couple hundred androids on there

4. I would be paying for a VPN for each user (9 licenses per account $2.3 a month) and setting that VPN in each users country (doing this for artists too while just uploading music) Would a proxy be better suited to this? I am worried that the VPN service will run out of IP’s and double over on some users. I saw you mentioned a VPS in the forum, is there a brief explanation in explaining why that is there?

5. You mention socks5 proxies, regarding my previous questions would this be more favorable to VPN?

6. Safe number of plays by each user on a song per month?

I have probably missed a lot but ive noted down most of what youve said in this thread and taken it into account.

IMO
Just forget Spotify, they ban wave twice a month now and there aren't any "specific" setup to avoid gettin banned, I had 10 account streaming an artist, proxyless, for 3 months and didnt get banned until now, I also had artists with custom fingerprint, proxies, listeners etc... and got banned one week after starting, don't expect to trick the system it's just too obvious without organic traffic.

Imho quantity better than quality here, like better make 100 cheap artists and prey for only 90 to get banned rather than investing a lot of time / money in 5 quality artists.

Also, premium accounts have a lot of password resets and can even disapear now, so more time wasted and forget free accounts they pay nothing and are deleted every 24 hours.

 

[trickdaddy442]

OK, I will ask the questions here instead.


1. I have data from spotify users per country, and how much is made per country. Would it be wise to balance listeners from each country that listen to the tracks? For example USA listeners are 12 and Iceland listeners are 2, USA has more population.

2. How do you go about creating accounts (free) from other countries without them being taken down within 24 hours proxy vpn? Safer to crack premium accounts or just pay for them?

3. My concept is to use virtual androids on linux and spoof their information (build number, version, model, etc..) to hide their fingerprint. Each device would have their own “Schedule” and would run through a list of Schedule profiles that I create, maybe a few hundred profiles and just run through them each day and set the local time on phone and using playlists. Obviously a mix of popular artists and new ones and a few of my artists. I figured most people use spotify on their mobile 70%, and with such small plays on each song it wouldn't really matter I dont think. I checked on spotify's privacy policy page and covered everything listed there, is there any notable fingerprint areas that i need to spoof? I am actually quite excited for the new amd server cpus to come out, zen 4 are 96 cores and capability for dual socket, pair that with a few TB of ram and I think I could run a few couple hundred androids on there

4. I would be paying for a VPN for each user (9 licenses per account $2.3 a month) and setting that VPN in each users country (doing this for artists too while just uploading music) Would a proxy be better suited to this? I am worried that the VPN service will run out of IP’s and double over on some users. I saw you mentioned a VPS in the forum, is there a brief explanation in explaining why that is there?

5. You mention socks5 proxies, regarding my previous questions would this be more favorable to VPN?

6. Safe number of plays by each user on a song per month?

I have probably missed a lot but ive noted down most of what youve said in this thread and taken it into account.

I'll take a stab.

1. Don't worry about this. Paying for each account in country is going to be your biggest obstacle. The rates aren't worth the hassle.

2. I can't answer this as I have hundreds of accounts from many years ago that I rotate in and out.

3. We all have different methods of actually performing the plays. I won't go into that here.

4. A VPS will automatically have it's own unique IP. That's why some use them. But they are also easy to spot from Spotify's side.

5. Sorry, I can't help here.

6. The fewer, the better. There is no safe number. Just keep it as small as you possibly can.

 

[trickdaddy442]

IMO
Just forget Spotify, they ban wave twice a month now and there aren't any "specific" setup to avoid gettin banned, I had 10 account streaming an artist, proxyless, for 3 months and didnt get banned until now, I also had artists with custom fingerprint, proxies, listeners etc... and got banned one week after starting, don't expect to trick the system it's just too obvious without organic traffic.

Imho quantity better than quality here, like better make 100 cheap artists and prey for only 90 to get banned rather than investing a lot of time / money in 5 quality artists.

Also, premium accounts have a lot of password resets and can even disapear now, so more time wasted and forget free accounts they pay nothing and are deleted every 24 hours.

I've noticed this off and on. Spotify will go through periods where they take it very seriously and stuff gets removed almost immediately. Other times, they go months before anything is removed. Or sometimes never.

We're you part of the Distrokid ban wave?

You make a great point. You will get banned. It's only a matter of time. That's why you need to spread everything around between multiple artists, distribution accounts, premium accounts, etc. This isn't a set it and forget it type of scheme. You have to always have fresh songs ready to go. Fresh bots ready to deploy. It's a cat and mouse game. If you aren't interested in making or buying hundreds of songs, don't even bother.

 

[Aluminium]

Yes, but then if your artist is taken down, you'll lose everything. The idea is to diversify and spread the risk across many accounts under different artist names.

Got it - so for example, they won't realize all of the beats sound similar?

Also does track length matter at all for plays? Essentially make it look like a natural progression and you should be fine

But what about singles that just go "viral" randomly? Obviously they can't catch everybody

 

[trickdaddy442]

Did anyone else get paid for December plays from Distrokid? They just posted the reporting this morning.

 

[trickdaddy442]

Got it - so for example, they won't realize all of the beats sound similar?

Also does track length matter at all for plays? Essentially make it look like a natural progression and you should be fine

But what about singles that just go "viral" randomly? Obviously they can't catch everybody

As long as you use multiple distributors and artist names, you won't have any issues. Be sure not to use the same songs at different distributors. They will catch that. The songs must be unique.

Try and make them look like regular songs. Good artwork. Realistic lengths. A bunch of 30 second songs or songs under a minute will get noticed. A couple sprinkled into albums won't be noticed.

You can have a song or two with more plays than the others without getting too much heat. But you need to be careful with that. You will need lots of bots and lots of accounts to pull that off.

 

[teraktit]

As long as you use multiple distributors and artist names, you won't have any issues. Be sure not to use the same songs at different distributors. They will catch that. The songs must be unique.

Try and make them look like regular songs. Good artwork. Realistic lengths. A bunch of 30 second songs or songs under a minute will get noticed. A couple sprinkled into albums won't be noticed.

You can have a song or two with more plays than the others without getting too much heat. But you need to be careful with that. You will need lots of bots and lots of accounts to pull that off.

How much streamings per song per month you think is safe?

 

[trickdaddy442]

How much streamings per song per month you think is safe?

Less than 1,000.

 

[streamkite]

Did anyone else get paid for December plays from Distrokid? They just posted the reporting this morning.

Still waiting to see what happens. Doesn't look likely for any banned early January.

 

[loppytoppy]

I love this! I have a podcast that's on Spotify which I think I can grow to a sizable side income. Would love to pick your brains if you're open to it. Please send a message.

 

[trickdaddy442]

Still waiting to see what happens. Doesn't look likely for any banned early January.

I checked a few so far. All show $0.00. Even for accounts that didn't have songs banned. Maybe they are still updating the reporting. If that's not the case, I'll be done with Distrokid.

 

[PaulSco]

I've noticed this off and on. Spotify will go through periods where they take it very seriously and stuff gets removed almost immediately. Other times, they go months before anything is removed. Or sometimes never.

We're you part of the Distrokid ban wave?

You make a great point. You will get banned. It's only a matter of time. That's why you need to spread everything around between multiple artists, distribution accounts, premium accounts, etc. This isn't a set it and forget it type of scheme. You have to always have fresh songs ready to go. Fresh bots ready to deploy. It's a cat and mouse game. If you aren't interested in making or buying hundreds of songs, don't even bother.

"We're you part of the Distrokid ban wave?"

Nope I never used Distrokid because of the taxes and anyway as Distrokid is part of Spotify it was obvious they were going to ban a lot, but still, all my artists were banned pretty much at the same time. I'm looking forward to try other platforms and hopefully as soft as Spotify was.

 

[trickdaddy442]

I love this! I have a podcast that's on Spotify which I think I can grow to a sizable side income. Would love to pick your brains if you're open to it. Please send a message.

AFAIK they are not paying per play royalties on podcasts.

 

[trickdaddy442]

"We're you part of the Distrokid ban wave?"

Nope I never used Distrokid because of the taxes and anyway as Distrokid is part of Spotify it was obvious they were going to ban a lot, but still, all my artists were banned pretty much at the same time. I'm looking forward to try other platforms and hopefully as soft as Spotify was.

To your earlier point about password resets, start keeping track of the dates and accounts. You will see a pattern.