Starting PBN with new domain

[Black Bunny]

Those website will have 0 power & trust. AKA links from them will go almost nothing.

To get it, websites need strong link profile.

That's why we are getting aged domains because they already have it.

You will find going for aged domains is actually cheaper than build power from scratch.

Thanks, there is a strong consensus about it on this forum.

But what if I cant find niche specific expired domains in my target language?
What if i leave in small EU country? Should i still go for in english .com pbn?
Or building my own pbn from scratch in this case makes sense?

One more question. With only social and web 2.0 link building how long will it take new/fresh pbn to gain some authority if added 500word article every week? What to expect in 3/6/12 month?

 

[llarasati]

I dont have software to check expired domains. Its a lottery. Though i may go for it for fun sake. Thanks for website.
You know about Income School method? Just blog! If it works for money sites it should work for pbn.

When you say build links to them for the long term, for how long?

You don't need software. Just ahref free link checker and decent knowledge to identify the domain metric is enough.

Sometimes I found expired domain at expireddomain with decent metric with this method. Have some link from trusted sites like latimes, wiki, bbc and many more. However you need to register so fast otherwise it will taken in the next day.

 

[AngelSeo]

Half of the replies in this thread make me cry from despair.
@OP - the whole purpose of building a PBN is to use the old links power, to rank your website. Brand new domain may give you a tiny bit of boost, but in this case is better to just use web 2.0 and other free properties instead of spending money for domain and hosting.

 

[tiiberius]

But what if I cant find niche specific expired domains in my target language?
What if i leave in small EU country? Should i still go for in english .com pbn?
Or building my own pbn from scratch in this case makes sense?

You can convert PBN units to your required language and niche in time.

One more question. With only social and web 2.0 link building how long will it take new/fresh pbn to gain some authority if added 500word article every week? What to expect in 3/6/12 month?

That will take aged. You are point almost 0 power to almost 0 power. It.s 0 + 0 really.

Like @AngelSeo said. You might be better off using web 2.0s as tier 1. You don't own it but there is no expense except content and time.

 

[Black Bunny]

Half of the replies in this thread make me cry from despair.
@OP - the whole purpose of building a PBN is to use the old links power, to rank your website. Brand new domain may give you a tiny bit of boost, but in this case is better to just use web 2.0 and other free properties instead of spending money for domain and hosting.
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Well, yes! If you are after immediate results web 2.0 and conventional pbns would work much better.
But i thought that short blogs hosted no my own pbns would be more beneficial than web 2.0 in a long run? Yes it takes more investment, but what are results are gonna be in 3/6/12 month? Dont you think that 5 pbns with 30 articles would be much better than 20 web 2.0 in a long run?

 

[Black Bunny]

You can convert PBN units to your required language and niche in time.

So, i have to convert language? This is a bad news.
Don’t you think that in that case PBN unit will lose its power because all the valuable links that point to PBN unit are in english?
Money site <= eng pbn <= eng links
If you suggest converting language it is still english link juice coming to BPN unit now, instead of to money site directly. Seams not ideal anyways.
So, why not just leave languages as they are and give direct link to www.pbn.com without any keywords and articles? Aka link to a cool website.

 

[ltdpbn]

Last year I did a bit of test on a niche where its very hard to find expired or auction domains for it - Its a sub nice of adult.

SET ONE: I set up 50x new domains - 35 of them where brought from domain sellers, but they where just never used domains, as opposed to brand new domains or expired ones. Most of them had been indexed before. The other 15 where brand new registered over a 6 week period. All domains where of course on topic. TOTAL COST TO ME: £800

What I did with SET ONE was I acquired manually, many links to them from nice relevant websites, directories etc. The websites on them, where very very money site type sites to be able to pass the manual activations to acquire the listings I need to produce good set of back links to them. After I did the first five manually, I built a bot to build the other 45 out for me to get the listings etc I needed. I then went back and acquired a few more manually from a secondary list, to ensure not all the domains had the same backlink profile of course.
The purpose of this was to build 50 really on topic, totally relevant domains for the PBN links to come out of......

SET TWO: I used 50x PBN domains not at all related to the niche, but could be smartly branded to get some relevance to it. These all had a an average of 60 RD (40 minimum) with TF of 20+ on them. Content was of course wrote to manipulate the domain to be as on relevance as possible. TOTAL COST TO ME: £4000

So identical money sites where built to receive the links. Very similar domain type, same CMS. Same onsite layout etc/ Content was unique for each site of course, but kw's where the same, placement, density, H1. H2 tag usage etc etc all identical.....

The links where placed with identical velocity, same plan of anchor text distribution etc etc. The test was a 1-1 with only difference being the domain types.

HERE WAS THE OUTCOME 6 MONTHS AFTER FIRST LINK PLACED & 2 MONTHS AFTER LAST ONE PLACED

Money site from set 1: Page 1 result 2 for main keyword (Home page), Page 1 result 1 for secondary keyword (Home Page), 70 different inner pages with various more long tail kw's - 48 of them page 1 top 5, 14 page 1 result 6 -10. The rest where page 2.

Money site from set 2: Page 2 result 3 for main keyword (Home page), Page 1 result 8 for secondary keyword (Home Page), 70 different inner pages same sets kws as above - 12 of them on page 1 results 4 to 8, 36 of them page 2 and the rest between page 3 and 4.

My answer to your questions is > I do not think building new pbn domains on a tighter budget is a real problem if you can spare the time to do it. And if you want to increase on topic flow for sure. So yes i think it is possible to do it for sure and does work well for me for sure in these niches. Since this I expanded the network in to 5 nodes of 200 sites per node for various clients sites and its working very very well for me really.

 

[AngelSeo]

Well, yes! If you are after immediate results web 2.0 and conventional pbns would work much better.
But i thought that short blogs hosted no my own pbns would be more beneficial than web 2.0 in a long run? Yes it takes more investment, but what are results are gonna be in 3/6/12 month? Dont you think that 5 pbns with 30 articles would be much better than 20 web 2.0 in a long run?

The power of the PBN doesnt come with age (IF and thats big IF age give power, its just a tiny bit), but from links. Do you think your PBNs will get any good links naturally in a year? If yes, then you do not need them - just get this pieces of content in your own money site and get the links to there...

So, i have to convert language? This is a bad news.
Don’t you think that in that case PBN unit will lose its power because all the valuable links that point to PBN unit are in english?
Money site <= eng pbn <= eng links
If you suggest converting language it is still english link juice coming to BPN unit now, instead of to money site directly. Seams not ideal anyways.
So, why not just leave languages as they are and give direct link to www.pbn.com without any keywords and articles? Aka link to a cool website.

Links are links.You can see EN expired domains ranking pretty fine in non EN languages as well. Google is far from perfect.

 

[itz_styx]

of course you can do it, i also did that many times. it just takes longer and you have to promote the domains obviously (send backlinks to each domain), but then it will surely work.
especially if you go for long term. its not required to use expired domains. expired ones just help to get faster results, but if you have time and put some effort in promoting the new sites, there is no problem at all to use them for your PBN

 

[Black Bunny]

Last year I did a bit of test on a niche where its very hard to find expired or auction domains for it - Its a sub nice of adult.

SET ONE: I set up 50x new domains - 35 of them where brought from domain sellers, but they where just never used domains, as opposed to brand new domains or expired ones. Most of them had been indexed before. The other 15 where brand new registered over a 6 week period. All domains where of course on topic. TOTAL COST TO ME: £800

What I did with SET ONE was I acquired manually, many links to them from nice relevant websites, directories etc. The websites on them, where very very money site type sites to be able to pass the manual activations to acquire the listings I need to produce good set of back links to them. After I did the first five manually, I built a bot to build the other 45 out for me to get the listings etc I needed. I then went back and acquired a few more manually from a secondary list, to ensure not all the domains had the same backlink profile of course.
The purpose of this was to build 50 really on topic, totally relevant domains for the PBN links to come out of......

SET TWO: I used 50x PBN domains not at all related to the niche, but could be smartly branded to get some relevance to it. These all had a an average of 60 RD (40 minimum) with TF of 20+ on them. Content was of course wrote to manipulate the domain to be as on relevance as possible. TOTAL COST TO ME: £4000

So identical money sites where built to receive the links. Very similar domain type, same CMS. Same onsite layout etc/ Content was unique for each site of course, but kw's where the same, placement, density, H1. H2 tag usage etc etc all identical.....

The links where placed with identical velocity, same plan of anchor text distribution etc etc. The test was a 1-1 with only difference being the domain types.

HERE WAS THE OUTCOME 6 MONTHS AFTER FIRST LINK PLACED & 2 MONTHS AFTER LAST ONE PLACED

Money site from set 1: Page 1 result 2 for main keyword (Home page), Page 1 result 1 for secondary keyword (Home Page), 70 different inner pages with various more long tail kw's - 48 of them page 1 top 5, 14 page 1 result 6 -10. The rest where page 2.

Money site from set 2: Page 2 result 3 for main keyword (Home page), Page 1 result 8 for secondary keyword (Home Page), 70 different inner pages same sets kws as above - 12 of them on page 1 results 4 to 8, 36 of them page 2 and the rest between page 3 and 4.

My answer to your questions is > I do not think building new pbn domains on a tighter budget is a real problem if you can spare the time to do it. And if you want to increase on topic flow for sure. So yes i think it is possible to do it for sure and does work well for me for sure in these niches. Since this I expanded the network in to 5 nodes of 200 sites per node for various clients sites and its working very very well for me really.

This is an amazing expiriment. You are lucky man to be able to cunduct those on a such a large scale. I would love to conduct similar experiments some day, it’s a fun stuff.

How long did it take for brand new domains to pick up? Are we talking about 6/10/12 month?

 

[Black Bunny]

The power of the PBN doesnt come with age (IF and thats big IF age give power, its just a tiny bit), but from links. Do you think your PBNs will get any good links naturally in a year? If yes, then you do not need them - just get this pieces of content in your own money site and get the links to there...

I was thinking something amongst those lines:
Get 10 pbns, link to them 3-5 web 2.0 plus some social media profiles, 1-2 links from niche related forums and try to rank each of the pbns for 1-2 low competitive kw, with volume like 5-10 searches per month.
Then link them to money site.
Isn’t it better than doing all those web 2.0 directly to my site? PBNs should be better, right? They have domain and hist costs associated with them, surely they must be better?!
The tricky part here is that hosting + domains can cost up to 1000$ and that 1000 might be spent better.

 

[Black Bunny]

of course you can do it, i also did that many times. it just takes longer and you have to promote the domains obviously (send backlinks to each domain), but then it will surely work.
especially if you go for long term. its not required to use expired domains. expired ones just help to get faster results, but if you have time and put some effort in promoting the new sites, there is no problem at all to use them for your PBN

How do you promote those fresh pbns?
Is it the same promotion one would use for new blog? Because i cant really find good info on google “how to promote new pbn with brand new domain”, but i can surely google “how to promote my new blog”

 

[itz_styx]

How do you promote those fresh pbns?
Is it the same promotion one would use for new blog? Because i cant really find good info on google “how to promote new pbn with brand new domain”, but i can surely google “how to promote my new blog”

with backlinks, best is to automate it otherwise it will take a lot of work and time.

 

[AngelSeo]

I was thinking something amongst those lines:
Get 10 pbns, link to them 3-5 web 2.0 plus some social media profiles, 1-2 links from niche related forums and try to rank each of the pbns for 1-2 low competitive kw, with volume like 5-10 searches per month.
Then link them to money site.
Isn’t it better than doing all those web 2.0 directly to my site? PBNs should be better, right? They have domain and hist costs associated with them, surely they must be better?!
The tricky part here is that hosting + domains can cost up to 1000$ and that 1000 might be spent better.

This can (and most likely will) work. Especially for non EN low competition market you can crush it with this. And yeah wont be really cheap tho.

 

[Kamillus]

How do you promote those fresh pbns?
Is it the same promotion one would use for new blog? Because i cant really find good info on google “how to promote new pbn with brand new domain”, but i can surely google “how to promote my new blog”

You should use soft here.

For ex. Zennoposter, gsa, xneolinks, SEO autopilot, rankerx there is a lot of ways.

 

[ltdpbn]

This is an amazing expiriment. You are lucky man to be able to cunduct those on a such a large scale. I would love to conduct similar experiments some day, it’s a fun stuff.

How long did it take for brand new domains to pick up? Are we talking about 6/10/12 month?

Yes i spend half my life running experiments and collating the data. The brand new domains where built out over a 4 month period. What i didn't tell you in my post was every one of the pbn domains are actually ranking in top 7 pages of the serps lol. Some are actually page 1 for secondary keywords lol. As they are built in a money site format they collect good traffic actually. The whole process with the new domains to rankings was 10 months. Hope that helps

 

[tiiberius]

So, i have to convert language? This is a bad news.
Don’t you think that in that case PBN unit will lose its power because all the valuable links that point to PBN unit are in english?
Money site <= eng pbn <= eng links
If you suggest converting language it is still english link juice coming to BPN unit now, instead of to money site directly. Seams not ideal anyways.
So, why not just leave languages as they are and give direct link to www.pbn.com without any keywords and articles? Aka link to a cool website.

You don't have to.

You can have EN content and just link to your site. Anchor text can be foreign no problem.

Language has nothing to do with link juice.

 

[123Xylem]

I am having the same issue.
Building a PBN with Spamzilla but I cannot find ANY good domains that are expiring.
Very few are in my niche (Home repair) and any that are - are up for auction (which could cost a lot)

Can anyone recommend a better alternative to expired domain hunting (or a pm for domains )