freelancer.com is a scam

That's a big problem in software industry. You need managers who know they are doing.. and then, you need managers to manage the managers... lol.. it goes on and on and on.. :D
Perhaps I should be a dev-op in the future :D
 
I worked and often still work with freelancers there.
Why i call them scam?

After i had a turnover around 20k there i saw a pattern.
There are "freelancers" which apply to a job and of course asking for a milestone, on these milestone freelancer.com make profit.

Now 5 from 7 last Jobs i had the problem that the freelancers accepted the job, i made the milestones, freelancer.com get the % and then baaaammm. NONE OF THESE FREELANCERS HAVE DILIVERED ANY THING.
So that i have get my money back BUT not the freelancer.com %.

Quality example:
We run a coding project with serios skilled devs, as we have looked for fulltime react devs we have looked on freelancer.com.
around 25 applyed. AND SERIOS ALLL SUCKED.
We have give them a simple task super simple for even a junior dev, ALL FAILED.

- Indian and Chinese guys buy russian accounts, to claim they are russian.
Our main dev is russian, as i offered them to have a phonecall after hire they blocked me.

- Horrible quality, we never have saw so poor work.
Looks these days everbody who saw a YT video claims he is a dev.

Last time freelancer.com gived me the recruiter service for free. WOOW thank you.
The recruiter brought me a guy WHO EVEN DONT WORK WITH THE NEEDED SOFTWARE.

Even with higher hourly rates all the same results, even the same people apply just with a higher rate lol.


These is serios hard timewaste.

On Upwork the coding quality also sucks, ONLY for the super high priced guys like 80usd per hour it is "ok". But still overpriced.

Looks it is a serios huge demand on good coders.
Upwork is 10 millions time (maybe 20 millions time) better than freelancer.com

Dude freelancers at freelancer.com use some kind of bot to auto bid on every single projects. They wont read it. When you award it then they would read the project description. They either outsource it to some one else or deliver a crappy service in order to get some part of the project amount.

They are good only for cheap logo design.

Dont be shy to charge back, Freelancer.com wont fight it, Their bank know how terrible they are, They know it too.
I had something similar to your case, Not only I asked for full refund, I demanded something for compensation as well. Freelancer.com ofcourse denied to give even the refund. I charged back my whole projects even those which were completed as a punishment to these mother ***** and yeah after a few months my credit card company reverse all 3 transactions back to my bank :D

Dont show any dignity to these fraudsters, show them force and they will behave
 
Upwork is 10 millions time (maybe 20 millions time) better than freelancer.com

Dude freelancers at freelancer.com use some kind of bot to auto bid on every single projects. They wont read it. When you award it then they would read the project description. They either outsource it to some one else or deliver a crappy service in order to get some part of the project amount.

They are good only for cheap logo design.

Dont be shy to charge back, Freelancer.com wont fight it, Their bank know how terrible they are, They know it too.
I had something similar to your case, Not only I asked for full refund, I demanded something for compensation as well. Freelancer.com ofcourse denied to give even the refund. I charged back my whole projects even those which were completed as a punishment to these mother ***** and yeah after a few months my credit card company reverse all 3 transactions back to my bank :D

Dont show any dignity to these fraudsters, show them force and they will behave
The challenge as a freelancer though is that upwork fees are considerably higher; double those of Freelancer for the first $500 (20% vs 10%). Yes, it's only $50, but with most projects clocking in <= $1500 (depending on scope of work), this is significant.
 
The challenge as a freelancer though is that upwork fees are considerably higher; double those of Freelancer for the first $500 (20% vs 10%). Yes, it's only $50, but with most projects clocking in <= $1500 (depending on scope of work), this is significant.

When I used to use upwork or any site like that back in the day I used to have my price include the % they take. I'm not out of pocket.

If you have to compete on price it's a race to the bottom. Quality should stand out - if your client is penny pinching it's not a client worth having.

Of course this is one of the hardest lessons to learn and even harder when you start out and have bills to pay.
 
Thats not a statement, that is the reality.
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Of course, we give them all a testing task since the last misstakes with them.
Some say "ok i will do". Then you give them these simple task and they are lost lol.
Some diliver in super horrible quality.

I just think thad good devs dont need to work as freelancer, the demand looks real super huge.

Now the best example, also from india.... (maybe just not lucky with them).
I need a illustration, all good. I pay 100usd, real good price.

Allready 2 days over deadline... and try to talk, and talk and talk...

Here we go again:
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It may sound racist but i am sure he didn't mean it that way, and most of hes other point are valid to be honest.

Work rates are different in every country, claiming you are from another country to charge more, is a scam, maybe a minor one, but still a scam.

He tried to confirm they are russian, i am sure he did that because he suspected they are not, and not because he will work only with russians.

my point is, that there is no racism in that statement in my opinion, he is just giving us a heads up and its good to know.


Am using freelancer.com for years. I have bad experience with almost all nationalities. That doesnt means, all are scammers. That was my point precisely.
 
well cheap price mean low quality. IF he is experienced and expert developer. trust me no matter where they from they won't take a cheap hourly rates.
Except you are lucky found expert developer, but only have some experience.
Right now, 90% dev is those using wordpress, themes, builder, and copy paste code.
 
well cheap price mean low quality.
It doesn't always mean low quality. For example, I could choose to do a project in freelancer for nuts, just because I am new to the platform. I could also do a project in some specific technology because I need reviews. Also, I take cheap projects for some quick money.

Your experience might differ, but trust me.. I have seen a LOT. Money != Quality, always.

For detecting the noobs, it's really easy to figure out how they will be, IF you give them a task before handing the project over. If you don't know how to, may be software industry is not for you.
 
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Gogol is completly right, the only problem is the timewaste...
As i allready told we have provided to many "devs" testing task.
At first they say "ok i do it", "no problem", "eassyy".

Result: never have heared from them again OR horrible quality.
 
Gogol is completly right, the only problem is the timewaste...
As i allready told we have provided to many "devs" testing task.
At first they say "ok i do it", "no problem", "eassyy".

Result: never have heared from them again OR horrible quality.
As for wasting time, yeah man; you cannot avoid it unless you already know someone who can do the job like you want. As for "ok i do it", never hire anyone who says that specific phrase!! It's wrong on so many levels. Firstly, you will have horrible time communicating with anyone who does not know when to use "will/shall". Secondly, No sane developer will say "ok i do it". He will go through your specs (no matter how small it is), analyse it and come back with a quote. That's how software development is supposed to happen, lol.
 
If someone has time to code a freelancing website, with crypto payments and VERIFIED users, can bank hard, now that you can buy Bitcoin with PayPal.
 
I worked and often still work with freelancers there.
Why i call them scam?

After i had a turnover around 20k there i saw a pattern.
There are "freelancers" which apply to a job and of course asking for a milestone, on these milestone freelancer.com make profit.

Now 5 from 7 last Jobs i had the problem that the freelancers accepted the job, i made the milestones, freelancer.com get the % and then baaaammm. NONE OF THESE FREELANCERS HAVE DILIVERED ANY THING.
So that i have get my money back BUT not the freelancer.com %.

Quality example:
We run a coding project with serios skilled devs, as we have looked for fulltime react devs we have looked on freelancer.com.
around 25 applyed. AND SERIOS ALLL SUCKED.
We have give them a simple task super simple for even a junior dev, ALL FAILED.

- Indian and Chinese guys buy russian accounts, to claim they are russian.
Our main dev is russian, as i offered them to have a phonecall after hire they blocked me.

- Horrible quality, we never have saw so poor work.
Looks these days everbody who saw a YT video claims he is a dev.

Last time freelancer.com gived me the recruiter service for free. WOOW thank you.
The recruiter brought me a guy WHO EVEN DONT WORK WITH THE NEEDED SOFTWARE.

Even with higher hourly rates all the same results, even the same people apply just with a higher rate lol.


These is serios hard timewaste.

On Upwork the coding quality also sucks, ONLY for the super high priced guys like 80usd per hour it is "ok". But still overpriced.

Looks it is a serios huge demand on good coders.
Yep. Used them during my earlier days. Bunch of scammers with the way they charge you when a project is accepted even if the client is a no-show after that. Think I've only gotten a few jobs on there since then. Hiring from there is just as bad due to the invasion of hungry people who don't actually have the skills they're advertising. Upwork is much better if you're looking for work. Made over 70k on there.
 
analyse it and come back with a quote. That's how software development is supposed to happen, lol.

For a sample task which takes around one hour the instruction have 3 small points lol.
We dont give task from the real project, we take task from a beginner reactjs book to see on which level the freelancer is. Then we know what he is worth.
 
ok, yesterday I went to a restaurant and the food they served me didn't please me
I'll write a review saying they're scammers...
 
ok, yesterday I went to a restaurant and the food they served me didn't please me
I'll write a review saying they're scammers...

I guess you have a account on freelancer.com and try to make some money there.
Are you also a "dev"?
 
For a sample task which takes around one hour the instruction have 3 small points lol.
We dont give task from the real project, we take task from a beginner reactjs book to see on which level the freelancer is. Then we know what he is worth.
That should work fine, shouldn't it? Who judges the quality of the submitted code? That also matters a lot. Also, react is component based (class component or otherwise). It should be very easy to detect bad code if you give them some practical task, where they have to use the state and all. It should be as clear as day light.
 
That should work fine, doesn't it? Who judges the quality of the submitted code? That also matters a lot. Also, react is component based (class component or otherwise). It should be very easy to detect bad code if you give them some practical task, where they have to use the state and all. It should be as clear as day light.

Of course, thats why we doing it.

But from spaghetti code over didnt understand the fundamentals of JS till copy paste code we had everthing.

When they read "DONT USE LIBARYS" they run lol.
 
Of course, thats why we doing it.

But from spaghetti code over didnt understand the fundamentals of JS till copy paste code we had everthing.

When they read "DONT USE LIBARYS" they run lol.
Here's some example that might be useful as an example task.

Give them something that will have 3 components, and will use some kind of navigation mechanism to switch in between. In one component, the user can set a number; and in the other component the user can read the previously entered number. Both components will be loaded from the third/parent component. The click/set events will have to be passed by the parent (but do not tell them this).

Anyone who codes this must understand the basics of react, or they will not do it correctly. :D
 
Here's some example that might be useful as an example task.

Give them something that will have 3 components, and will use some kind of navigation mechanism to switch in between. In one component, the user can set a number; and in the other component the user can read the previously entered number. Both components will be loaded from the third/parent component. The click/set events will have to be passed by the parent (but do not tell them this).

Anyone who codes this must understand the basics of react, or they will not do it correctly. :D
This is the best selling point of react, statefulness across components. This is also why it left all jquery-esque libraries in the dust.
 
This is the best selling point of react, statefulness across components. This is also why it left all jquery-esque libraries in the dust.
Exactly, and I love react for this. Anyone who does not understand this, is a noob; and should not qualify for a project; no matter where (s)he is from. :p
 
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These is our testing task... near 95% failed these.
 
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