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I'm opening this thread against: K R Y Σ In order to get 100% refund. I told him that I'd be happy with 50% as you'll understand later, but he was messing around and now I want full refunding because in the end of the day, I didn't get what I paid for and he just wasted my time. I was looking for a native English writer for the long-term and now I have to look for one again. (Proof of contacting him about shitlist thread check "proof of contact.jpg ")

Here's how it all evolved:

  • Around 1th - 7th Jun there was a HAF thread looking for a writer. In that time I was looking for a writer as well so I thought I don't have to create a new thread and just contact the guys that commented under that one. One of them was K R Y Σ and I PMed him that I'm looking for a reliable "English native" writer. I even asked him if he is native and as you can see in the screenshot he said he is. Check "PROOF.jpg"

  • We started working together and our cooperation was lasting 1 month. Now, the whole month I don't mean everyday work. It was a couple of articles throughout the whole month.

  • I didn't notice if he is delivering me non-native content as I'm not a native speaker by myself. I thought he's doing a great job as he kept formatting and other things as I wanted.

  • Until.. my guy that is native English speaker told me that he was checking the articles and that they are on 100% not written by a native writer. Then I confronted K R Y Σ on Skype and asked him again if he is a native speaker. His answer? "No, I'm not a native speaker, why do you ask ?" - He even forgot that he lied to me and probably thought that he can get away with it for months to come and earn money on me. Check "confrontation.jpg"

  • Then I asked for a 50% refund which he denied. He offered himself to edit the mistakes and all things on the articles if I show him all things. However, the thing is that non-native writer simply cannot write as a native one. That's regarding the phrases, using words, engaging content, flow, and stuff like that. Another thing is that I shouldn't even deal with this situation if I hired a native guy, which he lied he is.

  • One mistake is on my side, which is I didn't send his articles to someone who is native to tell me, if he is lier or no sooner.. But as he is JjVip here, I trusted him.
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Basically he wasted my time and my money that was meant to be spent on the native content, on non-native content. It doesn't matter if he thinks that his content is "good enough for native" because it simply isn't. Because if the native guy noticed, every other native people on the blog will notice.

Before I asked for 50%, he denied it. Then I asked him instead of him doing the edits (which wouldn't help as he is not native) to hire another native writer to rewrite the articles so they don't show any sign of non-nativity. He denied that he will cover any cost.

Now I just don't want to waste any more time with him and I ask for 100% refund.
 

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Shit List Request Approved

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1)The guy has ordered 10+ articles of almost 20k words in total over the past month.

2)Every order consisted of 3-5 articles.

3)He always paid AFTER an order was complete.

4)Every time I sent him a single article, I asked him if everything is fine with the piece in case he wanted something to be changed, so I could move on to the next.

5)After doing this for almost a month like I said , he decides there is a problem with the content.

6)He never paid for the last article he received.

7)He mentions that some of the articles were used as guess posts so there is not an issue with these ( doesn't mention which of them).

8)The guy refuses to send a single article back, highlighting the sections of it he finds problematic.

9)He deliberately asks for a refund, even though I told him I can't refund him money but I'm willing to do extra work for free and fix whatever problem there is in the said texts , he refuses.

Based on the above, while I might have lied to him, I don't think its fair to refund this guy after having done this much work. Furthermore he never gave me a chance to make this right by fixing whatever problem there is.Besides I don't even got the money to refund this guy right now.
 
Based on the above, while I might have lied to him, I don't think its fair to refund this guy after having done this much work. Furthermore he never gave me a chance to make this right by fixing whatever problem there is.Besides I don't even got the money to refund this guy right now.

No might have lied to him you straight up lied to him.

Plus you cannot make it right as you are not who you advertised you were - A native English speaker.
 
No might have lied to him you straight up lied to him.

Plus you cannot make it right as you are not who you advertised you were - A native English speaker.
I don't understand how you are so sure about that . I can't do anything else at the moment . One last thing though , regardless if there is a lie or not , would you refund a guy who paid you after delivery ( multiple times ) ?
 
1)The guy has ordered 10+ articles of almost 20k words in total over the past month.

2)Every order consisted of 3-5 articles.

3)He always paid AFTER an order was complete.

4)Every time I sent him a single article, I asked him if everything is fine with the piece in case he wanted something to be changed, so I could move on to the next.

5)After doing this for almost a month like I said , he decides there is a problem with the content.

6)He never paid for the last article he received.

7)He mentions that some of the articles were used as guess posts so there is not an issue with these ( doesn't mention which of them).

8)The guy refuses to send a single article back, highlighting the sections of it he finds problematic.

9)He deliberately asks for a refund, even though I told him I can't refund him money but I'm willing to do extra work for free and fix whatever problem there is in the said texts , he refuses.

Based on the above, while I might have lied to him, I don't think its fair to refund this guy after having done this much work. Furthermore he never gave me a chance to make this right by fixing whatever problem there is.Besides I don't even got the money to refund this guy right now.
Let me just tell you this. Do you really think it's fair to pay you for native content, so I can get non-native articles, so I can go through all of them slowly and highlight every word and phrase you didn't get right?

I feel like when I pay you for native content, I have a right to get native content so I don't have to deal with situations like this -> Wasting time and going through all articles and highlighting everything you got wrong (even if I could but I'm not native - The only solution hiring another native writer means more cost which you refused to cover)
 
(The only solution hiring another native writer means more cost which you refused to cover)
Even if it came to that , shouldn't you at least let me sort this out myself before anything else ?
 
Even if it came to that , shouldn't you at least let me sort this out myself before anything else ?
The thing is that you cannot edit something you don't even see in the first place when you wanted it to highlight by me.

I also tried different ways of sorting this out with you via Skype but you weren't that much interested in that.
 

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The thing is that you cannot edit something you don't even see in the first place when you wanted it to highlight by me.

I also tried different ways of sorting this out with you via Skype but you weren't that much interested in that.
Sorry pal, but no, you didn't try, you just demand. You didn't even mention which articles you got a problem with , regardless of highlighting or not, and I'm saying this because you admitted yourself that there is a problem with only some of them. So how I'm supposed to sort this out when you are not taking your chances by doing some basic actions and just demand.
 
Sorry pal, but no, you didn't try, you just demand. You didn't even mention which articles you got a problem with , regardless of highlighting or not, and I'm saying this because you admitted yourself that there is a problem with only some of them. So how I'm supposed to sort this out when you are not taking your chances by doing some basic actions and just demand.
You can sort this out by giving me a full refund buddy, that's how.

I think I have a right to demand something when I pay for it, or no? :)

I have a problem with all articles as they're written by a non-native writer.
 
@K R Y Σ - you need to make arrangements to refund as you are not a native English speaker and that was what the accuser required and you did indeed state you were.

@K R Y Σ - should you not respond in here the next time on BHW I will have to escalate things and I really do not want to do that.
 
@K R Y Σ - should you not respond in here the next time on BHW I will have to escalate things and I really do not want to do that.
What do you want me to do? Whether I agree or not to fully refund this guy, I mentioned earlier that for the time being I lack the budget to do it .
 
@K R Y Σ - you need to make arrangements to refund as you are not a native English speaker and that was what the accuser required and you did indeed state you were.
What do you want me to do? Whether I agree or not to fully refund this guy, I mentioned earlier that for the time being I lack the budget to do it .

You need to do what I stated above - I quoted it for you.
 
K R Y Σ if you need some time, I totally understand and I'm willing to give you more time if you need. I don't want you to go rob a bank so you can refund me, take your time but it would be nice if you can give me at least some date
 
https://www.blackhatworld.com/goto/post?id=13434576 if you need some time, I totally understand and I'm willing to give you more time if you need. I don't want you to go rob a bank so you can refund me, take your time but it would be nice if you can give me at least some date

@K R Y Σ you need to put forward what you propose to repay this debt.
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