Difference between HR Views, Low quality Views, ad views and NRV

[tigertigertiger]

Hey man, everything you said is correct. Let me get a little bit deeper in this topic.
You are totally correct that YouTube does care not much about external views in terms of ranking, because you don't get impressions and you don't improve your ctr.
You are also correct that you need views that count as an impression and give a nice ctr. Back in the days when nrv were still a thing, it basically worked like the bots were searching for your video on YouTube or clicked on it in the sidebar of suggested videos (I don't think this is what actually happened, they probably just exploited some loophole). And maaaan, you could get any quality video in the algo, you wouldn't believe it.

A lot of people tell you retention is king, but anybody with deep insights knows the order is this:
Ctr is king, followed by retention, followed by watch time (retention and watch time are like an equilibrium, so if the video is short you need a great retention, as the video gets longer the total watch time is worth more). And now we have something most people don't even mention: fucking channel authority. Yes this is a thing, YouTube assigned scores to every channel, based on a lot of factors (I can get deeper on this topic if needed). After this we have engagement. Engagement means likes, comments and likes dislikes ratios and last but not least social signals. Social signals are one of the only things that still have a little impact without any risk of hurting your video or channel.

Now to your questions:
1. I like cyberars (creator of rav views) since he doesn't sell bullshit and is totally honest. But I will be honest too, if you are trying to rank a legit video than rav views are aweful. If you have sound on the videos, they have not a really good retention. But they are real. They may give you some likes, even some follows or maybe comments, since there are actual people watching it. Just imagine you are on a website for streaming movies and then a window pops up with your video, since you didn't ask for it, most people click away, but some might still watch it. RAV views are great for farming watch time, since when the video is without a sound, a lot of people don't realize that there is a pop-up in the background.

2. Like mentioned above, this is the only thing that has atleast a chance to work if done correctly. I bought it also in some cases and when the video had potential it helped a little bit to improve your rankings and snowball things in rare cases. I want to be honest, I don't like this guy, he's very rude and unlikeable, but his services definitely has quality. Is it worth the money? Hard to tell, I didn't buy them anymore, but you might give it a chance. Backlinks and social signals are the only thing that's left for real YouTube growth.

I hope this answers some of your questions, maybe I will write a guide on some more Insights on the algo and YouTube in general since I only scrape the surface in this essay

 

[jasondenzer]

Hey man, everything you said is correct. Let me get a little bit deeper in this topic.
You are totally correct that YouTube does care not much about external views in terms of ranking, because you don't get impressions and you don't improve your ctr.
You are also correct that you need views that count as an impression and give a nice ctr. Back in the days when nrv were still a thing, it basically worked like the bots were searching for your video on YouTube or clicked on it in the sidebar of suggested videos (I don't think this is what actually happened, they probably just exploited some loophole). And maaaan, you could get any quality video in the algo, you wouldn't believe it.

A lot of people tell you retention is king, but anybody with deep insights knows the order is this:
Ctr is king, followed by retention, followed by watch time (retention and watch time are like an equilibrium, so if the video is short you need a great retention, as the video gets longer the total watch time is worth more). And now we have something most people don't even mention: fucking channel authority. Yes this is a thing, YouTube assigned scores to every channel, based on a lot of factors (I can get deeper on this topic if needed). After this we have engagement. Engagement means likes, comments and likes dislikes ratios and last but not least social signals. Social signals are one of the only things that still have a little impact without any risk of hurting your video or channel.

Now to your questions:
1. I like cyberars (creator of rav views) since he doesn't sell bullshit and is totally honest. But I will be honest too, if you are trying to rank a legit video than rav views are aweful. If you have sound on the videos, they have not a really good retention. But they are real. They may give you some likes, even some follows or maybe comments, since there are actual people watching it. Just imagine you are on a website for streaming movies and then a window pops up with your video, since you didn't ask for it, most people click away, but some might still watch it. RAV views are great for farming watch time, since when the video is without a sound, a lot of people don't realize that there is a pop-up in the background.

2. Like mentioned above, this is the only thing that has atleast a chance to work if done correctly. I bought it also in some cases and when the video had potential it helped a little bit to improve your rankings and snowball things in rare cases. I want to be honest, I don't like this guy, he's very rude and unlikeable, but his services definitely has quality. Is it worth the money? Hard to tell, I didn't buy them anymore, but you might give it a chance. Backlinks and social signals are the only thing that's left for real YouTube growth.

I hope this answers some of your questions, maybe I will write a guide on some more Insights on the algo and YouTube in general since I only scrape the surface in this essay

Oh wow thanks for summing up the algo pyramid of priority: CTR > Retention > Watch Time > Channel Score > Engagement (Likes/Comments) > Social Links.

Yea I think it'd be nice for you to do a thread talking about Youtube Channel Score algo.

Oh really? RAV views are actually bad for rankings? I thought because of how authentic these generate real CTR rates, it would be nice. But I suppose it sucks for audience retention. Oh so these view orders I assume are processed by a bunch of real life agents who play your video in the background then? I suppose ones with sound are sorta screwed with retention then since it's like asking someone to listen to music they don't know. I recently ordered 2k views on an old video I don't even care about. I'll post the results of the stats.

I never tried backlinks and social signals but I want to give this a shot and let you know. He hasn't responded in PM but I have a FREE review copy so I'll let you know how that video that receives it performs.

 

[tigertigertiger]

You are correct mostly, but the retention for rav views on videos with sound is bad, because people realize that there is a video in the background, on soundless videos people sometimes dont realize that there is a video in the background and these people watch the videos up to hours if you are lucky.

 

[Kyle Martinez]

I need to rank a 2:43 second high quality music video in the "Suicideboys" niche. How should I go about this?

 

[jasondenzer]

So I decided to do some data research and here's what I found from 2 different non-HR services.

1. This service is RAV views and here are the results. Notice how on the screenshot, they come from "Other Youtube features" but it doesn't show any impressions. So I'm not sure how they claim to be real human if that's the case.

2. I tested this on a service that buys solely on Suggested Videos. Here's the result. Once again you'll notice that even though I got 5.5k views from suggested videos, they still didn't come from impressions and thus no click-through rates. There's no way on a real device you'd see 5k views without an impression.

So I have come to some conclusion that even those services that offer on-platform views, will not generate real impressions and click-throughs. While I tested them both on an old video but I analyzed how many NEW impressions were generated but it was still the same amount per day before and after the order. This already indicates that it does nothing but inflate the viewcount. So if nobody's organically clicking, this video is going nowhere.

 

[Kyle Martinez]

So I decided to do some data research and here's what I found from 2 different non-HR services.

1. This service is RAV views and here are the results. Notice how on the screenshot, they come from "Other Youtube features" but it doesn't show any impressions. So I'm not sure how they claim to be real human if that's the case.

2. I tested this on a service that buys solely on Suggested Videos. Here's the result. Once again you'll notice that even though I got 5.5k views from suggested videos, they still didn't come from impressions and thus no click-through rates. There's no way on a real device you'd see 5k views without an impression.

So I have come to some conclusion that even those services that offer on-platform views, will not generate real impressions and click-throughs. While I tested them both on an old video but I analyzed how many NEW impressions were generated but it was still the same amount per day before and after the order. This already indicates that it does nothing but inflate the viewcount. So if nobody's organically clicking, this video is going nowhere.

VERY TRUE BRO!

 

[tigertigertiger]

So I decided to do some data research and here's what I found from 2 different non-HR services.

1. This service is RAV views and here are the results. Notice how on the screenshot, they come from "Other Youtube features" but it doesn't show any impressions. So I'm not sure how they claim to be real human if that's the case.

2. I tested this on a service that buys solely on Suggested Videos. Here's the result. Once again you'll notice that even though I got 5.5k views from suggested videos, they still didn't come from impressions and thus no click-through rates. There's no way on a real device you'd see 5k views without an impression.

So I have come to some conclusion that even those services that offer on-platform views, will not generate real impressions and click-throughs. While I tested them both on an old video but I analyzed how many NEW impressions were generated but it was still the same amount per day before and after the order. This already indicates that it does nothing but inflate the viewcount. So if nobody's organically clicking, this video is going nowhere.

I have 2 questions.
1. How long were both videos? Or was it the same video?
2. Who offers suggested views?

 

[jasondenzer]

I have 2 questions.
1. How long were both videos? Or was it the same video?
2. Who offers suggested views?

1. They were 2 different videos. I only used dead videos as a benchmarking tool. First video was 5 mins long. Second video was a bit over 10 mins long.

2. The suggested views provider is Top4SMM (not trying to promo). here's a screenshot of their service they offer.

 

[Kyle Martinez]

1. They were 2 different videos. I only used dead videos as a benchmarking tool. First video was 5 mins long. Second video was a bit over 10 mins long.

2. The suggested views provider is Top4SMM (not trying to promo). here's a screenshot of their service they offer.

Does top4smm accept paypal?

 

[HustleTong]

THESE VIEWS DONT COUNT ANYMORE FOR 4K Watchtime. Im not sure why youtube changed it, but since mid january these views dont help you to get monetized.

Well, that's new for me. Probably to make people invest much more in Ads.

 

[DKM]

Does top4smm accept paypal?

They do. But the rule is, your paypal email and your top4smm email must be the same.

 

[DKM]

@tigertigertiger @jasondenzer thanks so much for all your valuable insights here.

I have a quick question regarding cyberars EAV - Embedded Ads Views. What is the difference with RAV?

 

[Cyberars]

So I decided to do some data research and here's what I found from 2 different non-HR services.

1. This service is RAV views and here are the results. Notice how on the screenshot, they come from "Other Youtube features" but it doesn't show any impressions. So I'm not sure how they claim to be real human if that's the case.

2. I tested this on a service that buys solely on Suggested Videos. Here's the result. Once again you'll notice that even though I got 5.5k views from suggested videos, they still didn't come from impressions and thus no click-through rates. There's no way on a real device you'd see 5k views without an impression.

So I have come to some conclusion that even those services that offer on-platform views, will not generate real impressions and click-throughs. While I tested them both on an old video but I analyzed how many NEW impressions were generated but it was still the same amount per day before and after the order. This already indicates that it does nothing but inflate the viewcount. So if nobody's organically clicking, this video is going nowhere.

RAV - real active views - registered as "Other Youtube features" if you click that category and drill down more it will say: youtu.be, when you share a video YouTube will short-link it to youtu .be/XXXXX, that is the links that used on our ADS for that type of views, visitors are redirect directly to the watch-page, when you compare our real human views RAV views with other type you need to include all the parameters and check if you got user engagements during that campaign or any other real actions like click on your links in the description, on ads etc. that is the best way to see who offer you real actual views and who send you bot watch-time.

also drill down the 'suggested' source and check suggested by who? from which videos they got suggestion to yours? is that data is visible for you is it make any sense?

@tigertigertiger @jasondenzer thanks so much for all your valuable insights here.

I have a quick question regarding cyberars EAV - Embedded Ads Views. What is the difference with RAV?

both are ADS views and based on real active views, the EAV (embedded active views) are cheaper and deliver Embedded Ads (video will play on external sites) with retention of 10-30 sec and the RAV (real active views) the Ads will send the user to the watch page on youtube directly! retention is random (see example below) both are very stable non-drop as they use ONLY real active users (both can be targeted for specific counties)
no CTR since in both, user do not come from inside of YouTube!

 

[Russ Thomas]

i use a bot for CTR and Retention. I create mass youtube accounts first. And with the bot, I can make each account search my video using a keyword, clicking on the video and then watching the whole thing. While leaving a like, comment or sub. This is honestly the best way to rank vids or boost CTR which is major.

 

[jasondenzer]

Does top4smm accept paypal?

Pretty sure they do for me.

RAV - real active views - registered as "Other Youtube features" if you click that category and drill down more it will say: youtu.be, when you share a video YouTube will short-link it to youtu .be/XXXXX, that is the links that used on our ADS for that type of views, visitors are redirect directly to the watch-page, when you compare our real human views RAV views with other type you need to include all the parameters and check if you got user engagements during that campaign or any other real actions like click on your links in the description, on ads etc. that is the best way to see who offer you real actual views and who send you bot watch-time.

also drill down the 'suggested' source and check suggested by who? from which videos they got suggestion to yours? is that data is visible for you is it make any sense?

Oh I see. Yeah the when I purchased those 2k RAV views, I did get some engagements like dislikes/likes and ad clicks.

For Suggested Videos, I checked the sources and they are somewhat similar videos to mine with the same niche. Here's an image report:

i use a bot for CTR and Retention. I create mass youtube accounts first. And with the bot, I can make each account search my video using a keyword, clicking on the video and then watching the whole thing. While leaving a like, comment or sub. This is honestly the best way to rank vids or boost CTR which is major.

Interesting. You should maybe make a panel for this and sell this type of engagement! I'm sure it would help a ton.

 

[Cyberars]

Pretty sure they do for me.



Oh I see. Yeah the when I purchased those 2k RAV views, I did get some engagements like dislikes/likes and ad clicks.

For Suggested Videos, I checked the sources and they are somewhat similar videos to mine with the same niche. Here's an image report:

Interesting. You should maybe make a panel for this and sell this type of engagement! I'm sure it would help a ton.

tell your provider:
A. to be honest and mention within the description that those are automated views!
B. to spread it over the sources in a random way, as this is too obvious and even spread, that YouTube will patch it quickly

 

[baidovich]

Hey @tigertigertiger

So I've tried to apply what you've said in the thread:
"When should I buy views and which?
- If you are trying to rank 2-3 min videos buy high-quality views with 2-3 min retention"

So, I have a 2 minutes video in the gaming hack niche and I've bought some views to see the retention of these views.

Is this the retention of the views? If so, is 79% a good retention?

Also, I've noticed that you guys insist on the importance of views that come from youtube itself to have a great CTR... Are there any ways to increase the CTR?

I've considered microworkers but it's expensive for a lot of videos... do you have any alternatives?

Thank you so much, man

 

[tigertigertiger]

Hey @tigertigertiger

So I've tried to apply what you've said in the thread:
"When should I buy views and which?
- If you are trying to rank 2-3 min videos buy high-quality views with 2-3 min retention"

So, I have a 2 minutes video in the gaming hack niche and I've bought some views to see the retention of these views.

Is this the retention of the views? If so, is 79% a good retention?

Also, I've noticed that you guys insist on the importance of views that come from youtube itself to have a great CTR... Are there any ways to increase the CTR?

I've considered microworkers but it's expensive for a lot of videos... do you have any alternatives?

Thank you so much, man

Hey man, yes this is a very good retention. That's the problem atm, nobody sells views that are boosting your ctr. The only thing that helps are like you mentioned microworkers (only for ranking in search) and a professional bot network, which nobody is selling as far as I know.

 

[Kyle Martinez]

From what I hear these bots and HR views you can buy on the DARK WEB......

 

[DKM]

@jasondenzer since you use top4smm, i noticed they sell watchtime. Just wanted to ask if you have ever tried it and maybe share your experience. Thanks man!