Avoiding penalties on clean blogs when trying the "blackhat" way on the side?

[ViceCaz]

Hello,

I’m willing to build a fleet of websites. 2/3 websites of very high quality, with quality content I’ll write myself about niches I’m familiar with that I plan on keeping « clean »

I’m also willing to try the black hat way, with websites of less quality, probably outsourcing content from freelancers, maybe using PBN for some of them, buying links, you name it.

Would Google be able to see that these websites are owned by the same person?

As some of them might eventually get penalized, would my « quality » websites be penalized as well?

Is there a way to simply keep google from knowing that all of these websites are mine?

I figured If I used the same Elementor/generateoress license for all of them, that’d be easy for google to figure out, correct? Even through wordpress admin with my real name? My IP address?

Am I being too cautious here and a bit paranoid?

Otherwise, what would you do in my position?

 

[ViceCaz]

Even though I divide my "clean" websites and "dirty" websites with different hosting providers, using the same user info details, or paying with the same credit card, or even working on these websites under the same IP would allow google to penalize the clean websites as well, correct?

Does someone know of a setup I could use to make it impossible?

Perhaps I could work on these dirty websites with: _Another laptop logged in with a VPN to another IP
_Using another user info
_Using a credit card from a different name
_Using, as suggested, a different hosting provider

Would tails be of any value here? I never experimented with it but it's often recommended to make yourself anonymous online

I'm not necessarily going the "black hat" way, but if I want to experiment with content that I translate from one language to another, that could be seen as duplicated content in a way, I'd like to take ass little risk as possible when it comes to penalties and I would surely like to avoid jeopardizing the clean websites in the process

 

[Icey Dan]

There are plenty of precautions you can take like using a VPN which will help for sure, but the fact is Google is very good at detecting and catching blackhat SEO techniques after so long, so it probably wouldn't be worth spending all the time and effort of writing clean white-hat content to risk losing it all in an instant if you get caught doing blackhat. I would suggest either going all in on whitehat or blackhat, but not much sense in doing both. Hope that makes sense mate, good luck with your blogs!

 

[ViceCaz]

There are plenty of precautions you can take like using a VPN which will help for sure, but the fact is Google is very good at detecting and catching blackhat SEO techniques after so long, so it probably wouldn't be worth spending all the time and effort of writing clean white-hat content to risk losing it all in an instant if you get caught doing blackhat. I would suggest either going all in on whitehat or blackhat, but not much sense in doing both. Hope that makes sense mate, good luck with your blogs!

Rah, that makes a lot of sense.
To be honest, that's the answer I hoped not to have, though.
I'd like to have the best of both worlds, which is probably the definition of being "greedy", and we know where that leads haha.

Let's say that I don't mind going through the extra efforts it would take to making myself undetectable, how would I do it? Surely a VPN would not be enough

I don't mind if my blackhat websites eventually get penalized, as long as the whitehat ones are not, in the process.

I'll wait for experienced users to weigh in, hopefully there are

 

[Mr Positive]

Why don’t you outsource the pbn or if you plan to build it for self make sure you different hosts, and vary your name seevers

 

[ViceCaz]

Why don’t you outsource the pbn or if you plan to build it for self make sure you different hosts, and vary your name seevers

That's definitely the plan.
I won't outsource this, as I want to create my own PBN.
The very question is how to make myself anonymous in the process, using different hosts is on my mind as well but that's exactly where I'm looking for guidance:

Would I have to restrict myself as one domain per hosting server? I've seen that some hosting providers have offers like a bundle of 35 websites within the same offer, surely that would be too obvious in the eyes of Google if my "dirty" websites are using the same hosting service?

Would I need Tails? Would I need a different credit card for all of these websites? Or just one different separating my "clean" websites from the "dirty" ones would be enough?
Surely the same would apply when purchasing name domains and the likes..

I'm also not sure about what you meant by "varying name servers"?


Thank you for your reply, mate. I appreciate the time you took
At this stage, this question is so important to me before launching anything that I wish there was a "guide" , even though I'd have to pay

 

[Kaine]

Why not completely separate the 2 processes?

The WhiteHat path would point to your moneysite, and the second BlackHat to an LP that does not belong to the whiteHat network.
I don't know what you're promoting, but the black side could be a kind of sub-brand...
We agree that this would not help the ranking of your money site, but you should still gain an audience.

 

[Theory Of Everything]

Hard to be undetected by Google. You can try and test new options such as buying a new host with a new credit card and account as well as domain, new VPN for making site changes and link building. SEO may create footprints if you use the same link building tactics and same network to rank the sites if you do it yourself so be careful

 

[ViceCaz]

Thank you both for your replies
Ok, if I may borrow a bit more of your time to confirm if these measures would be enough, I'd be very grateful:

The white and blackhat blogs will be separated as followed:

Two different laptops will be used in the process:
What's more:
_The laptop with which I'll develop the blackhat blogs will be run on a VPN every time. Should I use the same country every time I use the laptop? What happens if I on't log into a VPN? The wifi provider used will be the same..

_I'll use a different hosting provider for each blogs,
_I'll use a different protonmail for each blogs when registering domains, hosting, linking google console/google services, Wordpress, and any services I'll have to use
_I'll use a different credit card from white hat and black hat blogs, I don't think it"s viable to use a different credit card for each blackhat blogs
_I'll use WhoisGUARD when registering domains for all of my domains

DO you see anything else?

 

[Kaine]

The laptop with which I'll develop the blackhat blogs will be run on a VPN every time. Should I use the same country every time I use the laptop? What happens if I on't log into a VPN? The wifi provider used will be the same..

Sorry I didn't see your answer. Since you want to use public blogs, you can be sure that they will use an audience analysis script like Google Analytics and most likely Adsense to display ads. For the latter you will be quiet if you do not use the free version, however Analytics will be present ...

The wifi is not a problem with the VPN, on the other hand check how the VPN behaves if you have a break/reconnection Wifi/VPN, it could leak your IP.

Why not use a cellular internet connection for the second blog?

 

[albimorkal]

If you violate Google’s guidelines and get caught, Google will slap your site with a penalty so that all your search engine rankings get declined.