Looking for ScrapeBox Contact Form Platforms

[loopline]

What are some ways to invest in uniqueness and avoid the spam filters?

Do you mean like trying to spin the messages and use more different set of names, emails, subject lines, etc..?

I guess it would be bad to send the exact same message to 1 million contact forms?

Ive written about that actually at length here on BHW over 2019, you can search for it if you like.

Spintext isn't something I use, in fact interestingly enough my worst performing campaigns are the ones I spin. I suspect spam filters are quite good at actually detecting that probably only real actual spammers use spin text so thats probably why those are my lowest click thrus.


Stuff like hosting your redirect domain on a unique IP per campaign, having a unique physical address per campaing, all unique text and subject lines, and personal name, email etc.. type data, stuff like that. Leaving zero chance of a footprint.

Also writing good copy that converts and split testing that out, and not sending too many sends too fast etc...

 

[miyuru2u]

yeah contact form marketing sucks now
i use to send forms daily between 1k to 5 k
clickthrough rate was 1000 to 2000 clicks per 5k sends
and conversions are 1 or 2 per month
I use scrapebox to scrape forms and paighambot to send
But i think GSA contact form bot will do a better job and i had to try it

 

[roblestuellend]

Ive written about that actually at length here on BHW over 2019, you can search for it if you like.

Spintext isn't something I use, in fact interestingly enough my worst performing campaigns are the ones I spin. I suspect spam filters are quite good at actually detecting that probably only real actual spammers use spin text so thats probably why those are my lowest click thrus.


Stuff like hosting your redirect domain on a unique IP per campaign, having a unique physical address per campaing, all unique text and subject lines, and personal name, email etc.. type data, stuff like that. Leaving zero chance of a footprint.

Also writing good copy that converts and split testing that out, and not sending too many sends too fast etc...

Thanks, I've checked out some of your posts about it and a lot of good info.

I see one where you mentioned should get a new domain for forwarding to money site for every 100,000 contact form submitting to. So if want to post to 1 million contact forms with the only goal of getting them to click on a link in the message, then should buy 10 unique domain names first?

What about if also want to track clicks? Would something like bit.ly work in this case?

For example:

100,000 URLs: bit.ly > domain1.com > money site

100,000 URLs: bit.ly > domain2.com > money site

etc...

 

[loopline]

Thanks, I've checked out some of your posts about it and a lot of good info.

I see one where you mentioned should get a new domain for forwarding to money site for every 100,000 contact form submitting to. So if want to post to 1 million contact forms with the only goal of getting them to click on a link in the message, then should buy 10 unique domain names first?

What about if also want to track clicks? Would something like bit.ly work in this case?

For example:

100,000 URLs: bit.ly > domain1.com > money site

100,000 URLs: bit.ly > domain2.com > money site

etc...

Every 100K submitted "per day" So if you want to send 1 million contact forms, 1 domain is fine, just spread the send out over 10 days. Thats what I do. I constantly experiment, but just spread it out. You do not want to send more then 100K per day per domain.

Somewhere between 150K to 250K send per day after X number of days, your domain gets put on server hold/confiscated, depending on your domain registrar. Im not talking your hosting company, Im talking like the .top tld that manages all .top domains will literally suspend your domain or your host will contact you from their legal department.

replace ".top" with your tld of choice.

Ive never lost a .com to server hold, only to the registar, name cheap is terrible, dynadot seems to not care. Also netim has been good.

 

[jawnyh]

@loopline
How does ScrapeBox identify the contact form platform within the poster?
I am asking because I created new ini files that correctly get recognized within the platform popularity checker tool but they are marked as Unknown within the poster.
I then tested some things including using the platform analyzer to grab some other platform URLs (I used BlogEngine) with contact forms and ran them through the poster of which all 100+ pages were also recognized as Unknown.

I then went on and thought it has to do with the "form must contain" field within the ini file and tested that by removing it from the wp7 contact form ini but they still were correctly recognized within the poster.
I am not sure where to go from here, any idea?

 

[loopline]

@loopline
How does ScrapeBox identify the contact form platform within the poster?
I am asking because I created new ini files that correctly get recognized within the platform popularity checker tool but they are marked as Unknown within the poster.
I then tested some things including using the platform analyzer to grab some other platform URLs (I used BlogEngine) with contact forms and ran them through the poster of which all 100+ pages were also recognized as Unknown.

I then went on and thought it has to do with the "form must contain" field within the ini file and tested that by removing it from the wp7 contact form ini but they still were correctly recognized within the poster.
I am not sure where to go from here, any idea?

Step 1 is recognizing the platform. So that comes from Page Must Contain.

Step 2 is recognizing the Form its self, and that comes from Form Must Contain.

Both are explicit and are required for every platform and form type.

Although Ive never seen a universal ini like this work, but it may if you spend enough time training it on all the various platforms.

But then yo uare going to need to train each captcha and each form component. Im not sure how many "others" you want to post to but you could easily get into 50 hours or 100 hours of work here. Not that is bad, just stating the facts.

 

[M4DM4X]

Every 100K submitted "per day" So if you want to send 1 million contact forms, 1 domain is fine, just spread the send out over 10 days. Thats what I do. I constantly experiment, but just spread it out. You do not want to send more then 100K per day per domain.

Somewhere between 150K to 250K send per day after X number of days, your domain gets put on server hold/confiscated, depending on your domain registrar. Im not talking your hosting company, Im talking like the .top tld that manages all .top domains will literally suspend your domain or your host will contact you from their legal department.

replace ".top" with your tld of choice.

Ive never lost a .com to server hold, only to the registar, name cheap is terrible, dynadot seems to not care. Also netim has been good.

I don't understand what domain is likely to be banned, are you talking about the one you advertise in the message? If so, why would it be banned since it's just a website you want your prospect to go to, you are not using the domain smtp to send the emails so what's the problem ?

 

[jawnyh]

Step 1 is recognizing the platform. So that comes from Page Must Contain.

Step 2 is recognizing the Form its self, and that comes from Form Must Contain.

Both are explicit and are required for every platform and form type.

Although Ive never seen a universal ini like this work, but it may if you spend enough time training it on all the various platforms.

But then yo uare going to need to train each captcha and each form component. Im not sure how many "others" you want to post to but you could easily get into 50 hours or 100 hours of work here. Not that is bad, just stating the facts.

Hey Loopline, why wouldn't a universal ini like this work?
To my understanding, I just need a lot of variations for form field names and correctly identify the forms.
I am not afraid to spend some days working on this as it would be an investment for the future.

I would purchase GSA contact form submitter but I am currently not in the position to pay more for tools and scrapebox could do the same if trained right.

Some questions I have:

1) How can I add multiple Form Must Contain's in my ini? Do I simply put them in multiple lines like this:

FormMustContain="text1"
FormMustContain="text2"

or do I separate them with pipes like the success indication:
FormMustContain="text1"|"text2"

2) What element of the form is being searched for FormMustContain?

example for WP Contact 7:

Ini:
FormMustContain=wpcf7
----------------------------------------------------
Form:
<div role="form" class="wpcf7" id="wpcf7-f370-p31-o1" lang="en-US" dir="ltr">

Would the ini work if the class or id was something else?

edit:
I also noticed that even if I change the FormMustContain of the Wp Contact 7 it still recognized the platform within the contact form poster and obviously fails to detect the form.
What I am wondering is why my ini for "other" is showing Unknown in the poster even though the popularity checker correctly identifies them as "other", what am I missing here?

Thanks for your help!

 

[M4DM4X]

I've stumbled upon a firefox addon called autofill form, you enter all your data and it can post to pretty much all the forms on the web without any training. You just have to click a button and it populates all the fields automatically without any coding. I don't know how they do this magic. Only drawback is it does not handle captchas so you have to solve them manually or code a macro using this addon.
That's a pity we don't have a tool as simple as this to fill forms and handle everything automatically without losing any neurons.

 

[jawnyh]

Update:

I managed to make the poster correctly identify the "other" platform, the mistake was actually rather stupid it was the line Platform=Contact Form that was wrong.
Implementing the "other" platform has doubled my success rate on scraped contact pages without footprint from 10% to a bit over 20% which is a nice start.
On that note, it actually works to leave the line formMustContain empty and rather exclude the other forms (if you want to).

 

[loopline]

Hey Loopline, why wouldn't a universal ini like this work?
To my understanding, I just need a lot of variations for form field names and correctly identify the forms.
I am not afraid to spend some days working on this as it would be an investment for the future.

I would purchase GSA contact form submitter but I am currently not in the position to pay more for tools and scrapebox could do the same if trained right.

Some questions I have:

1) How can I add multiple Form Must Contain's in my ini? Do I simply put them in multiple lines like this:

FormMustContain="text1"
FormMustContain="text2"

or do I separate them with pipes like the success indication:
FormMustContain="text1"|"text2"

2) What element of the form is being searched for FormMustContain?

example for WP Contact 7:

Ini:
FormMustContain=wpcf7
----------------------------------------------------
Form:
<div role="form" class="wpcf7" id="wpcf7-f370-p31-o1" lang="en-US" dir="ltr">

Would the ini work if the class or id was something else?

edit:
I also noticed that even if I change the FormMustContain of the Wp Contact 7 it still recognized the platform within the contact form poster and obviously fails to detect the form.
What I am wondering is why my ini for "other" is showing Unknown in the poster even though the popularity checker correctly identifies them as "other", what am I missing here?

Thanks for your help!

like this
or do I separate them with pipes like the success indication:
FormMustContain="text1"|"text2"

If either the class or id is something else but 1 of them is still there the form would work. Its a character matching thats it. Just if the characters match your good if not then it won't identify.

because of page must contain.

PageMustContain

identifies the platform

FormMustContain

identifies the form.

you can try the multi approach, but just 1 big factor is that you might have 153 entries under the [step] section. So it just becomes difficult to troubleshoot when something isnt' work. But if you get it to work, more power to you!

 

[test123test]

i just sent to 60k vaild forms and got 1k clicks. I am just using xevil with out recaptcha 2/3 maybe better results with a paid captcha.

 

[loopline]

i just sent to 60k vaild forms and got 1k clicks. I am just using xevil with out recaptcha 2/3 maybe better results with a paid captcha.

I would say thats a very good click thru rate.

 

[seodestruction]

question, I notice the scrapeboxs GUI only has NAME, SUBJECT, MESSAGE...but lets say the form has address and phone number like most forms..how would I enter the info for this? in GSA i notice it auto does it..Ive owned SCRAPEBOX for quite sometime I've never learned that u can change the gui?

 

[jawnyh]

question, I notice the scrapeboxs GUI only has NAME, SUBJECT, MESSAGE...but lets say the form has address and phone number like most forms..how would I enter the info for this? in GSA i notice it auto does it..Ive owned SCRAPEBOX for quite sometime I've never learned that u can change the gui?

In scrapebox you need to hardcode them into the platform file so you can open up wpcontact for example in a text editor and add the name of the address field such as "address"
and put address=blackhatworldstreet 43 New York and whenever scrapebox finds the field named address it will put in that address data for you.

 

[seodestruction]

Oh ok, I already paid for GSA ahah I have both tho..but scrapebox can be used for like a million other things, GSA is super duper clean when it comes to contact posting never had this high of a success rate and even the CAPTCHA codes it does are different than scrapebox, It comes out of the box set up and constantly still updating, I think the scrapebox version is a little outdated esp for AJAX forms. whats your honest opinion on it?

 

[cpacashman]

I have scrapebox & i also have trouble with the forms.

 

[loopline]

Oh ok, I already paid for GSA ahah I have both tho..but scrapebox can be used for like a million other things, GSA is super duper clean when it comes to contact posting never had this high of a success rate and even the CAPTCHA codes it does are different than scrapebox, It comes out of the box set up and constantly still updating, I think the scrapebox version is a little outdated esp for AJAX forms. whats your honest opinion on it?

Scrapebox is not supposed to work with Ajax, and scrapebox does 10,000+ things. The contact poster was built with the intention that users would train whatever platforms they want to post to and they included 2 prebuilt forms just to get you started, although you can post to several million contact forms with the included ones.

With GSA, it costs more then the cost of scrapebox, by its self, just for posting for contact forms and thats what it does, is post to contact forms. So your paying for someone to take the time to train all the contact forms and build a custom tool focused on 1 thing.

That 1 thing is not the core focus of Scrapebox, but just like .0001% of scrapebox so of course the focused tool that does 1 thing and costs more will do more in the area of that 1 thing.

GSA is a great company that makes great tools, but its kind of comparing apples to oranges. Both website contact and Scrapebox do amazing things, in their own right.

my 2 cents.

I have scrapebox & i also have trouble with the forms.

This should help you

 

[M4DM4X]

I tried to create an ini file to post on wordpress websites, but no one single site has the same fields so I don't see how you can use only one ini file with all the WP sites.

For example look at these WP contact forms, not a single one is the same, (and they are WP forms since scrapebox pagescanner identified them as WP forms). I've got a huge list like this, some forms are simple (with the default fields name/email/subject/message) but it's far from the majority, almost all the websites use customised WP forms with different forms)

https://www.phoenixroofcoating.net/contact-us/ Wordpress
https://stranderroofing.com/contact-us/ Wordpress
https://amiroofingcontractors.com/contact/ Wordpress
http://www.mightyhandsroofing.com/contact/ Wordpress
http://dunnroofingandsheetmetal.com/contact-us/ Wordpress

 

[loopline]

I tried to create an ini file to post on wordpress websites, but no one single site has the same fields so I don't see how you can use only one ini file with all the WP sites.

For example look at these WP contact forms, not a single one is the same, (and they are WP forms since scrapebox pagescanner identified them as WP forms). I've got a huge list like this, some forms are simple (with the default fields name/email/subject/message) but it's far from the majority, almost all the websites use customised WP forms with different forms)

https://www.phoenixroofcoating.net/contact-us/ Wordpress
https://stranderroofing.com/contact-us/ Wordpress
https://amiroofingcontractors.com/contact/ Wordpress
http://www.mightyhandsroofing.com/contact/ Wordpress
http://dunnroofingandsheetmetal.com/contact-us/ Wordpress

Wordpress by default doesnt' have forms, they are most generally made by plugin and a given plugin will have the same form. For example contact form 7 that comes with scrapebox, has millions of forms. Sure some users customize them but the lions share is all the same and thus you train 1 ini and get millions of forms.

If your working with totally random websites that either have a custom form built just for that website or all sorts of different form plugins then no, 1 ini will not work. you need an ini for each form type.

Ive not looked at WP forms specifically, perhaps they generate random forms, its possible. But if so you have picked the exception not the rule to focus on. So try a different plugin or look for what IS similar.