Fucking SMM Panels

[Captain_Nothing]

So are you saying drip feed 500 x 20 runs? Or some other specific way to order to accomplish this?

You would need to create a custom script to do it, I don't think you can create dripfeed orders using the API most panels use. I'll do some more testing today and let you know my results tomorrow.

 

[John242]

Likes prices went up again yesterday and are now approaching $5/1000 for decent quality.

Is anyone using these and are they delivering again yet or still processing for days?

 

[DunkinStar]

has anyone found a instagram following panel with drip feed that is working?
Please let me know

THANKS

 

[satyr85]

They focus more on development, maintenance and keeping the services up. They want less to do with customer service, marketing, branding and all that.

As a provider, I disagree. I want to deal with customer service and clients directly. I want to avoid reselling. I know the quality of my product, by selling it in the right way I can make good money and ofc I want to cut every possible middleman.

 

[nineteen]

i agree with you
i see that all smm panel are being shit

i just have question
how can you find the best price for service ? as customers ?

 

[ellay]

The reality is that the SMM panels are not regular shops. The user must learn how to work with them. It is a very very specific marketplace.

 

[MisterF]

I think most people don't understand that, all panels are resellers.

They are not the ones responsible for processing your order.

When you have issue, you submit a ticket to the panel, and the panel will do the same with their supplier.

This is not permitted on BHW.

They are the ones responsible for processing your order, as you are buying from them on here. They are the ones who handle tickets and resolve your issues or refund you. The buyer should not have to wait until another party resolves things.

 

[MisterF]

What's crazy is that for those who depended on the lower costing automated likes.. 0.20 per 1k.. really sufferred. the jump to $5 to 1k ruined the long term packages those client signed up for. oh well. really hope justice will be served.

As I said here;

https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/panels-stopped-working.1148786/#post-12334863

If prices have increased substantially more than the BST prices, report them. Depending on the increases this will mean the services will possibly be closed and need to be reviewed once again.

 

[armom]

As I said here;

https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/panels-stopped-working.1148786/#post-12334863

If prices have increased substantially more than the BST prices, report them. Depending on the increases this will mean the services will possibly be closed and need to be reviewed once again.

There are many panels whose prices are not matching at all and huge difference between the sales thread and inside their website.
For example, most of the panels in the thread writes IG likes starts from $0.05 per 1000, when you go to their site there is not a single one of them with that price. Infact msot of them are above $2 - $3 per 1000. Same goes to other services like FB likes, Yt views and likes etc.

So should we report them all? and should there be taken action against that?

 

[Skitnica]

Great post. Thank you!
I'm just an end-user, and I understand a lot goes on behind the scenes, but I thought the Retailer was the lazy one who doesn't properly update when the services are 'Instant' and when they will take longer. Now I know the Panels are to blame.

Deep down, though, what determines if likes are instant or take several days?

 

[GenesisOne]

Nope. It shows you may not have been in this industry for a while.

Prices ALWAYS have increased. Seasoned players aren't affected by that. When discussing mega retailers, price is not the issue in a way that increasing prices simply removes the smaller clients whilst increasing margins from the higher paying clients which in some ways resolves to no change in actual profit. If you read the original post I mentioned one thing multiple times - that the retailers do have a fancy margin. Some of the TOP 5 sites on Google for 'Buy Instagram Likes' are selling 1000 likes for $15 whilst purchasing it for $5 per 1k. Why do you think? Its cause in most cases not only the likes are for $5 per 1k but the retailer has to buy twice to get the job done so his costs increases to $10 - still after which the margin is a fat 50%.

Circling back - if people on top 3 rankings are happily selling for $15 - then trust me - I know this game way too well. PRICE IS NOT THE ISSUE. Not for the retailers.

Back in 2015 you could buy 50,000 Twitter Followers for how much? $5? $10? And those would stick for years!
And lately? $5 will get you 1000 Followers at best? And they would drop!

So, changes do happen. Prices do increase. Its expected. Its okay. No one is dumb enough to not see what the new update by IG is all about. The papers are out there for everyone to read.

And welcome to Black Hat World - yes many don't have registered companies. And don't issue legal invoices. And don't pay taxes.

I guess a very warm welcome is indeed required.

To remind the issue -

1. Pricing is indeed not what the blame is for. Yes, many hate it. However, it is unavoidable. Most mega retailers GET IT.
2. It is the fact that the middleman (RESELLER) takes no responsibility - which is what everyone is mad about.
3. It is the fact that you hold people HOSTAGE by keeping order 'processing' for days - that is unfair.
4. It is the fact that you do FALSE advertising and say something will INSTANT when it doesn't deliver for days - that is unacceptable.
5. It is when YOU are the reseller but you throw the responsibility at your supplier. NOPE. That is not how business works. You took my money, you are the one who answers to me. Not who you purchased from.

And to once again confirm -
The thread is NOT about if SMM services hurt your account.
The thread is NOT about morality of these services.
If those are your concerns, you should open other threads for those topics.
Here, we are trying to find a solution to the ever growing SCAMS by reseller panels.

Problem boils down to this:

There is an overwhelming demand that providers can't handle in a well managed fashion.

This I can't uderstand as taking care of the whole process should be able to be automated from start to end.

You are already using programing that should be able to be up to date about the "crops" in the farm that can be delivered each and everyday. You could even use a bid system to sell the ongoing stock as is done in cpc. Why isn't this implemented is just STUPID.

In case you, mister xWGx, want a solution, gather your buyers group and invest into building your own farm system. 50k, 100k, 500k accounts you can manage at will? You could even sell your overstock to reputed resellers at a nice rate.

Now you are responsible to do so.

There's the oportunity. It's yours to grab it.

.

 

[GenesisOne]

This niche is already saturated.
Too many resellers, but only few suppliers.
I’ve opened a similar thread regardless this issue btw
https://www.blackhatworld.com/seo/what-is-wrong-with-social-media-panel-reseller-provider.1105608/
If you are new people and want to start joining this industry my advice is don’t.

Because first, your PayPal account gonna get banned, second most of smm services aint work, so be prepared to get scold by customers +extra dispute or refund.


P/S supplier with private/non-sharing smm services please PM. Price is not an issue

Pretty strange post considering you are advertising a panel

 

[L4x]

I have an idea to correct the market price.
Lets do a Survery, which day we will avoid buying these services. Like a labor union.

 

[staypositive]

great post
so may i know which SMM panel or url is reliable? dont mind to pay a bit more, as long as it works

 

[JimHalpert]

The issue (scam) is not something that has been happening for days, rather its coming to about 2 months now since this has been going on and on.

What brought about this change in the past 2 months?

 

[JimHalpert]

Things are much different when you do things on smaller scale.

'Few' services not delivering and didn't 'cry' about it.

Some of us generate 10k orders a day.

When a panel server goes down thats a shit ton of cash held as hostage.

What you are paying $3 per 1k for - I am buying for $5 per 1k as I prefer higher costs / stable servers too.

However, if service goes down even for a day - that generates a bucket load of orders that are stuck and a bucket load of clients that are unhappy.

Your 'tests' don't even make sense as all of us have also done tests. A server works fine at one time and doesn't at another time. I too test before I switch servers for my API to panels. Only to later find out it doesn't work anymore. That is when the issue begins.

Come back here when you are depositing $50k to $500k a month on panels and then you'll quickly see how fast the losses add up and perhaps then you can positively contribute to this issue. Thats when the unaccountability plays part which somehow you completely missed in the whole conversation. NO ONE IS A NOOB here. We all know the update and UNDERSTAND it. Top retailers don't bother the high price either. Its when the panels take the order under the 'INSTANT' label and hold it hostage for 3 days whilst not delivering. Thats when you hit losses of 5 figures a day due to double delivery.

No offense at all but this issue is impacting the mega retailers. Those that have network of sites. Communities where they have large bases of clients.

If you were spending that much on panels wouldn't it make sense to have a dedicated team to create your own provider just to service you?

 

[ellay]

great post
so may i know which SMM panel or url is reliable? dont mind to pay a bit more, as long as it works

Try 3

I think this discussion about smm panels is infinite.

 

[GenesisOne]

As a provider, I disagree. I want to deal with customer service and clients directly. I want to avoid reselling. I know the quality of my product, by selling it in the right way I can make good money and ofc I want to cut every possible middleman.

This only works when you live in Mordor

 

[John242]

What brought about this change in the past 2 months?

Because in May IG made several updates that have prevented/delayed IG services from being delivered. If services were still delivering within 24 hours, there wouldn't be this issue.

This is the process:

Providers (Source) --> Reseller --> Retailer --> Client/customer

When people order likes/followers/etc and they come within 24 hours, there usually aren't problems. But when they are still processing after 3 days and can't be cancelled, then the retailers begin getting angry clients who want to cancel their processing order, but can't.

So either the retailer or the client will purchase other services from another panel and sometimes those might deliver before the first order does, and then this screws up the system for the first order because it looks at the likes/followers count and marks the first order as completed.

But the providers of the services and the original resellers of those services don't give a F*** - they just continue to keep selling and scamming people out of their money without removing the services for maintenance. This puts the retailer in a very bad position because they have to pay for the services out of their own pocket first that they are selling and many times do not get refunds, which can quickly add up to tens of thousands of dollars if their clients want refunds or do chargebacks.

When a service doesn't deliver within 24 hours, the reseller should remove it and all payments should be refunded and pending orders cancelled but it's impossible to enforce this in a black hat market when the only person who could enforce it are the provider or the reseller.

As OP said this is causing an uproar and the industry will soon change if the provider and reseller don't get their sh** together and stop this scam.

That's why "Fucking SMM Panels" is an utterly perfect title for this thread.

 

[Fuazii]

The amount of time and money I've wasted on trying to find a good SMM is ridiculous.