Apollo 11: Did we goto the moon?

[Darth Orko]

I've found that just about all of the moon landing hoax theories rely in selective still frames from a few videos, but intentionally overlook the tens of thousands of publicly available audio and video documenting nearly every hour of every flight.

For the immense budget it would take to accurately fake so much footage, and to pay off the ~400,000 people involved, it would be far more effective to simply plant spies in the Soviet program to create delays.

Actually, that 'extensive footage' is part of the controversy, as when examined using the same level of critical scrutiny we employ to debunk most alleged UFO footage, the NASA photos appear doctored, or shot at another location. On the moon the only sources of light would have been the Sun and the light on the landing vehicle. As a result, photos should all have have been starkly black/white with virtually no shades of grey---whereas the footage commonly betrays evidence of all kinds of secondary and reflective lighting, more like what would have been available if shot in a secret studio.

As for the 400,000 people, given this was done by a government that is expert at compartmentalizing knowledge, it's doubtful more than a handful of people were given enough info to spill any beans, while the rest of the 400k staffers were given the same official narrative the rest of us were. In like manner 130,000 people were involved in the Manhattan Project, yet the development of the bomb was kept secret to the general public up until Hiroshima. Yes, the government could have back hatted us about the moon, and kept us in the dark.

 

[klique]

I didnt watch it, but how were the reflectors that you can use from the earth (reflect lasers) placed if they didnt go to the moon?

There have been multiple rovers that have went to the moon, a rover can easily place a reflector on the moon. But the reflectors don't really say much, as the moons surface is already reflective and they've been bouncing lasers off the moon to measure the distance from Earth to the moon before we even decided to try and send man there.

I've found that just about all of the moon landing hoax theories rely in selective still frames from a few videos, but intentionally overlook the tens of thousands of publicly available audio and video documenting nearly every hour of every flight.

For the immense budget it would take to accurately fake so much footage, and to pay off the ~400,000 people involved, it would be far more effective to simply plant spies in the Soviet program to create delays.

They wouldn't have to pay off 400,000 people to of faked going to the moon. If 400,000 people were indeed in on the hoax a lot of people would have spoken up already.. lol, you know people can't keep their mouth shut. The people behind the theory say that it was compartmentalized. As in, only 10-15 people actually knew.. the rest of the people did think we went. As they already had all the data necessary to send back and forth to NASA already preprogrammed in the computers.. so what they were seeing being sent back was actual data from when they sent unmanned space crafts up there. As for the footage, they've already admitted that some of the footage was fake that was released to the public AFYER people pointed out inconsistencies in a lot of what they claimed was live.

We will get to there soon

I believe we'll get there soon enough, I have more faith in SpaceX then NASA.

I don't see how we could of went 50 years ago, can't return today. Even if they lost or destroyed the old technology.. which I doubt (why would you destroy the technology and all the telemetry data to the greatest achievement of mankind?), they could of been came up with new technology to surpass what was built in the 60's.

We were capable of doing what no other country has been able to do within a 10 year period, but 50 years later you telling me were unable to? Makes no sense. There is a need and a want to goto the moon again, as stated multiple times by NASA and a couple presidents. One thing to take into consideration, every other space program in the world, the furthest they've brought man to is inside low earth orbit (1,200 miles from earth) .. the moon is almost 250,000 miles from Earth, pretty big difference. Russia was way ahead of us in space tech, and admit to this day they can't send a man to the moon because the radiation belt it too much radiation for a human to go thru. Why would America fake the moon landing? Well let's see, if we failed we would look terrible to society for killing off more astronauts, also look weak compared to the Russians who beat us with everything else to that point in space travel. We supposedly got it right on our first try. That involves, taking off, flying 250,000 miles to the moon (while every other manned spaceship has only been 400 miles up), circling the moon.. shooting off the space capsule and landing it on the moon.. doing our research there for 2 days, and then taking off from the moon, and connecting to the already flying space ship that's circling the moon (meaning the timing had to be perfect, couldn't be off by even 1 second else the capsule and the spaceship wouldn't line up properly).. and then fly back to Earth
And we did this all on our first try, with no hiccups.. despite when we attempted to land them LEM on earth, we never successful were able to land it.. and that's in earth's atmosphere where it is much easier to control ->

Just think when you take an xraty, you wear a lead vest because of the radiation given off by the xray machine. Just to give you an example of the difference a xray gives off .1 mSv, a CT scan gives off 7 mSv.. the radiation belts give off between 25 -50mSv of radiation. Without the proper shielding 5 mSv is a deadly dose for a human. Apollo didn't use lead vests, or anything remotely close to protect the astronauts and had spend close to 2 hours flying thru the radiation belts. Astronauts that flew the space shuttle, which was developed decades after Apollo, which didn't even pass thru the belts, said they felt symptoms from all the radiation such as flashing in their eyes when they close them and repeated headaches.. and this was just in low earth orbit, with better protection then Apollo.. but yet the astronauts that flew on the Apollo missions weren't even sure if they went thru the belts and felt no symptoms whatsoever. Doesn't really add up, even to the biggest skeptic. They're trying to come up with a newer technology that helps protectst future astronauts by surrounding the space capsule with water and some other things.

As I said before, I believe we did eventually make it to the moon.. just not when, and how we said we did in 69.

 

[wacrofo]

Watch this video

 

[klique]

Watch this video

I've seen this before. Doesn't hold much weight. When you have the government paying off people to make videos to back up that you went to the moon.. but leave out all the discrepancies that for outhe a shadow of a doubt say we didn't go. There are a lot of theories out there.. some of them are dumb, and don't prove shit.. they're just opinioned based. It's to get them to answer to the theories they NEVER answer.

As I stated in a previous comment, the moons surface is already reflective, and we've been bouncing lyrics off the moon before the Apollo mission.

Actually, that 'extensive footage' is part of the controversy, as when examined using the same level of critical scrutiny we employ to debunk most alleged UFO footage, the NASA photos appear doctored, or shot at another location. On the moon the only sources of light would have been the Sun and the light on the landing vehicle. As a result, photos should all have have been starkly black/white with virtually no shades of grey---whereas the footage commonly betrays evidence of all kinds of secondary and reflective lighting, more like what would have been available if shot in a secret studio.

As for the 400,000 people, given this was done by a government that is expert at compartmentalizing knowledge, it's doubtful more than a handful of people were given enough info to spill any beans, while the rest of the 400k staffers were given the same official narrative the rest of us were. In like manner 130,000 people were involved in the Manhattan Project, yet the development of the bomb was kept secret to the general public up until Hiroshima. Yes, the government could have back hatted us about the moon, and kept us in the dark.

I can see you've done your research. Most people just say yeah we went because they watched myth busters, or videos like the one the user posted above. But when you actually take the time to push aside the bs theories that are thrown in there to make you think it's all bs, and actually take the time to do some research and realize there are a lot of different things (at least 5 I can think of off the top of my head) that don't match to the official story, and/or proves that some of the footage they claimed to be live footage from the moon is fake (which they've admitted to some of it), then it opens your eyes to something isn't right. If you really went to the moon, when you say you did, how you say you did.. you wouldn't have any reason to fake any part of the mission, no? Once you start faking certain pictures and videos, your evidence becomes less and less credible.

You have some astronauts saying they could see the stars from the moon, you have others saying that's it's impossible to see stars from the moon. Ugh, you guys did goto the same moon right?

If I went to the moon i know would be happy to tell my story, and be very proud of what I did. The complete opposite of what Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin did. Neil only gave one public statement since he went to the moon, in which he seemed extremely depressed.. and later made some cryptic comments years later about "removing truths layers" in order to do things in space, in which he refused to tell anyone what he meant. Buzz Aldrin became a drunk, to which people say is to deal with holding on to such a big lie for all these years. And chose to skip out on the 50th anniversary for the Apollo moon landings. If I was the first astronaut on the moon, I would expect when you typed my name in to Google to see a bunch of results praising me... not a bunch of videos saying "Buzz admits we didn't land on the moon".

 

[Heromrk18]

Well while we are on the topic of hoaxes and to refrain from creating my own thread about this lol... explain to me this

Jet Fuel burns at 800-1500 degrees F
Steel melts at 2750 degrees F

So explain to me how this happened

Know what can melt steel?

When ignited, Thermite produces very high temperatures (over 4,000 degrees F), along with generous amounts of molten metal. Thermite is typically very difficult to ignite, requiring atemperature of over 3,000 degrees F just to get the reaction started.

 

[klique]

Well while we are on the topic of hoaxes and to refrain from creating my own thread about this lol... explain to me this

Jet Fuel burns at 800-1500 degrees F
Steel melts at 2750 degrees F

So explain to me how this happened

Know what can melt steel?

When ignited, Thermite produces very high temperatures (over 4,000 degrees F), along with generous amounts of molten metal. Thermite is typically very difficult to ignite, requiring atemperature of over 3,000 degrees F just to get the reaction started.

Osama Bin Laden didn't drop the towers.. I think that one most Americans agree with. Although you'll have a few that believes everything the government tells them despite being lied to time after time. But with the twin towers, I think that one goes without a shadow of a doubt that was an inside job. There's a lot of mixed theories and truths involved in that one, so it throws a lot of people off when researching it.. but I think the evidence is overwhelming.

Bush never did find those weapons of mass destruction, did he?

 

[patriotnews]

And chose to skip out on the 50th anniversary for the Apollo moon landings.

Ok, so you read headlines, you form opinions based upon those headlines. NOT evidence OR facts.
Why do I say that? Because the 50th anniversary is NEXT year...Buzz skipped a charity event for fundraising for his charity for what they will be doing for the 50th, because of legal issues with the charity and his children.
Neil Armstrong has spoken in public TONS on the moon landing. He came to my elementary school when I was there in the late 80's to talk.
Simple facts go wrong, how can ANY other things said be correct.

This is always what is wrong by conspiracy theories. People read a headline,read wrong information, read clickbait and BOOM personal belief is validated, BOOM "fact"... When simple research, simple follow-up would debunk it. Conspiracy theories are like all religious cults, people ignoring facts for personal validation

 

[patriotnews]

Well while we are on the topic of hoaxes and to refrain from creating my own thread about this lol... explain to me this

Jet Fuel burns at 800-1500 degrees F
Steel melts at 2750 degrees F

So explain to me how this happened

Know what can melt steel?

When ignited, Thermite produces very high temperatures (over 4,000 degrees F), along with generous amounts of molten metal. Thermite is typically very difficult to ignite, requiring atemperature of over 3,000 degrees F just to get the reaction started.

Osama Bin Laden didn't drop the towers.. I think that one most Americans agree with. Although you'll have a few that believes everything the government tells them despite being lied to time after time. But with the twin towers, I think that one goes without a shadow of a doubt that was an inside job. There's a lot of mixed theories and truths involved in that one, so it throws a lot of people off when researching it.. but I think the evidence is overwhelming.

Bush never did find those weapons of mass destruction, did he?

LMAO! It doesn't take a degree in engineering to debunk this, it simply takes experience blowing stuff up precisely.
The amount of work invloved in prepping to drop these buildings would be MASSIVE, the drilling, the prepwork, everything. The amount of people involved would be unsupportable for a conspiracy this size. Like the mafia in the US, you know how they kept a secret? Killed everyone involved, without telling the person/people doing the killing why.
And don't bring up the Manhattan project fable on secrecy, because people knew, reporters knew, it wasn't really a "secret" to those in the areas. But why has the fable continued? Because reporters DIDN'T report it, people didn't have social media, instant communication, nothing. So it was localized knowledge, not shared because of a sense of "patroitism" or just no one to tell.
The US government had a "secret" nuclear shelter outed because the guys working there kept ordering pizza! A nuclear shelter exposed from pizza, but somehow also super secret on a massive scale to drop the towers

 

[Heromrk18]

LMAO! It doesn't take a degree in engineering to debunk this, it simply takes experience blowing stuff up precisely.
The amount of work invloved in prepping to drop these buildings would be MASSIVE, the drilling, the prepwork, everything. The amount of people involved would be unsupportable for a conspiracy this size. Like the mafia in the US, you know how they kept a secret? Killed everyone involved, without telling the person/people doing the killing why.
And don't bring up the Manhattan project fable on secrecy, because people knew, reporters knew, it wasn't really a "secret" to those in the areas. But why has the fable continued? Because reporters DIDN'T report it, people didn't have social media, instant communication, nothing. So it was localized knowledge, not shared because of a sense of "patroitism" or just no one to tell.
The US government had a "secret" nuclear shelter outed because the guys working there kept ordering pizza! A nuclear shelter exposed from pizza, but somehow also super secret on a massive scale to drop the towers

I mean is it so hard to consider thats exactly what happened? these thermite charges could have been put in at anytime during 'routine' maintenance... im just saying.. that steel does not melt no matter what from an office fire... and really.. thats what the planes were. giant office fires... those were ground level beams sheared off at a 45 degree angle...

 

[klique]

Ok, so you read headlines, you form opinions based upon those headlines. NOT evidence OR facts.
Why do I say that? Because the 50th anniversary is NEXT year...Buzz skipped a charity event for fundraising for his charity for what they will be doing for the 50th, because of legal issues with the charity and his children.
Neil Armstrong has spoken in public TONS on the moon landing. He came to my elementary school when I was there in the late 80's to talk.
Simple facts go wrong, how can ANY other things said be correct.

This is always what is wrong by conspiracy theories. People read a headline,read wrong information, read clickbait and BOOM personal belief is validated, BOOM "fact"... When simple research, simple follow-up would debunk it. Conspiracy theories are like all religious cults, people ignoring facts for personal validation

So you choose to pick one line out of everything I've said in this thread and used that to form an opinion... hmm, ok. I can tell you didn't read most of it as your reply doesn't coincide with what I said. I remember saying IF I went to the moon, then I wouldnt want it to have a bunch of results coming back saying that we didnt go. Never once did i say i formed ny opinion based on the headlines of the search results. All those results are recently posted videos.. evidence that supports that it didnt happen as they claimed has been around for years.. its just now that the footage is more readily available for the public it's a lot easier to scrutinize as opposed to before when everyone didnt have a computer. It didn't require more than 10-15 people to be involved in it for to actually happen. Answer me this since you seem as if your 100% that it happened as they stated. Why did they fake any of the footage if went?

 

[webtechz]

its just a hoax for me!

 

[Heromrk18]

Come on... a space ship to the moon in 1969 and we didnt get an iphone til 2005? lol one iphone has more computing power than the entire space mission in 69 had combined... lol we didnt go to the moon then... cause if we had, why havent we gone back since? it was just anti russian, anti cold war propoganda!

 

[klique]

I mean is it so hard to consider thats exactly what happened? these thermite charges could have been put in at anytime during 'routine' maintenance... im just saying.. that steel does not melt no matter what from an office fire... and really.. thats what the planes were. giant office fires... those were ground level beams sheared off at a 45 degree angle...

It doesn't even take a person with a high IQ to know that the steel wouldn't of melted from the office fire alone. That's been proven hundreds of times, it's never happened before... and it still can't happen today. Some people are government drones, and despite being lied to millions of times by the government will still believe any and everything they say. To each it's own I guess, I've never been that gullible.

 

[Heromrk18]

It doesn't even take a person with a high IQ to know that the steel wouldn't of melted from the office fire alone. That's been proven hundreds of times, it's never happened before... and it still can't happen today. Some people are government drones, and despite being lied to millions of times by the government will still believe any and everything they say. To each it's own I guess, I've never been that gullible.

Right? you cant say that the impact of the planes casued the towers to fall VERTICALLY down when by all common sense they should have fallen OVER its Godzilla movies 101 lol

 

[klique]

Right? you cant say that the impact of the planes casued the towers to fall VERTICALLY down when by all common sense they should have fallen OVER its Godzilla movies 101 lol

Lmao. Seriously .. both towers, AND building 7 went down completely vertically... an exact replica of a demolition. The government wouldn't even admit that the buildings fell in free fall fashion until the evidence we shoved in their face, then they changed their story. They didn't do any testing for explosives because they said they had no reason to.. but yet when some of the material was tested later on, they found evidence of that chemical that is used for demolition. It as really convenient how they carted off all the destruction material in a matter of days of it cooling to get rid of it and then ship it overseas. Never seen them work that fast in my life. There were multiple witnesses that heard the explosions as the building were falling, and you can even hear it on tape during 2 of the news interviews that were live. Last point before I leave the thread for the day (I can only do so much conspiracy talk in one day, causes too much controversy), it's odd how building seven collapsed although it didn't get hit by any planes.. and there were fire fighters going around telling people the buildings were going to collapse before they even fell.. and the only thing that was going on was a few office fires. Why were these government buildings the only ones that fell, in free fall fashion ... despite all the other buildings that were surrounding the area that didn't fall. Just bad luck, huh?

 

[ExperimentalSEO]

Come on... a space ship to the moon in 1969 and we didnt get an iphone til 2005? lol one iphone has more computing power than the entire space mission in 69 had combined... lol we didnt go to the moon then... cause if we had, why havent we gone back since? it was just anti russian, anti cold war propoganda!

You don't need much computing power to calculate the speed and time required to reach the moon.

 

[Heromrk18]

You don't need much computing power to calculate the speed and time required to reach the moon.

But you do need the processing power to keep 3 men alive in a capusle lol

 

[patriotnews]

I mean is it so hard to consider thats exactly what happened? these thermite charges could have been put in at anytime during 'routine' maintenance... im just saying.. that steel does not melt no matter what from an office fire... and really.. thats what the planes were. giant office fires... those were ground level beams sheared off at a 45 degree angle...

Bend a spoon back and forth, it will heat up, keep doing it, burn your fingers, keep doing it, the metal spoon will separate at that point. No fire... MAGIC! Don't call me gandolf.
So, what temperature does aluminum melt at? What is it planes are made of? Ever reach the NSIT report? Check it out, eye opening stuff as to where molten metal was seen and all that fun stuff. Easy answers with an ounce of research.

Yes, it is "so hard to consider" when our government is full of incompetent people, from the top down, always has been, always will be. People talk, the amount of people required for a controlled demolition would be a ton of people, just to set the charges.
Oh, "routine maintenance" the amount of charges required, would mean that some charges are sitting for a year + if you're working with a tiny crew. Yeah, explosives go bad, blasting caps misfire, in all that time they are hoping no one looks behind a curtain?
On, let's talk of the magical thermite, that can cut steel downwards, but not sideways, that was used to cut sideways...why use it? Guaranteed destruction? So they knew the targets exactly, before anyone came to start their training? Oh, we used professional suicide pilots? Who flew the planes? Why not just bomb it again? Seems like a LOT of coordination of a lot of people.

 

[patriotnews]

So you choose to pick one line out of everything I've said in this thread and used that to form an opinion... hmm, ok. I can tell you didn't read most of it as your reply doesn't coincide with what I said. I remember saying IF I went to the moon, then I wouldnt want it to have a bunch of results coming back saying that we didnt go. Never once did i say i formed ny opinion based on the headlines of the search results. All those results are recently posted videos.. evidence that supports that it didnt happen as they claimed has been around for years.. its just now that the footage is more readily available for the public it's a lot easier to scrutinize as opposed to before when everyone didnt have a computer. It didn't require more than 10-15 people to be involved in it for to actually happen. Answer me this since you seem as if your 100% that it happened as they stated. Why did they fake any of the footage if went?

I picked out the easiest falsehood. If you miss a basic FACT like the 50th anniversary isn't until NEXT year, because headlines, than your basic ability to process advanced facts is pretty simple to ascertain... So, yes, I pointed out a blatant falsehood, an easily pointed out one. One that is ALL over clickbait titles and articles, but skips that FACT that the anniversary is next year...
It didn't require more than 10-15? So, how did we get the capsules falling back to earth? Oh, they just circled in low orbit? So, it was all pre-filmed... So those 3 guys that have stood by their stories, some ground crew that had to secretly monitor the guys in low orbit flight, the film crew, the editing crew, the set build(and disposal). Wow this is building up in people fast!
Please back up your claim that nasa admitted faking "some of" the video. Sorry, but you made a claim easily debunked already, so I'll need a citation to this claim before it is addressed.

 

[Heromrk18]

Regardless of how many times you are bending steel... you still have to have an accelerant to produce the kind of heat necessary to melt steel and jet fuel just wont do that... there was nothing in the building that would cause something to shear off at a 45 at ground level.. nothing

Bend a spoon back and forth, it will heat up, keep doing it, burn your fingers, keep doing it, the metal spoon will separate at that point. No fire... MAGIC! Don't call me gandolf.
So, what temperature does aluminum melt at? What is it planes are made of? Ever reach the NSIT report? Check it out, eye opening stuff as to where molten metal was seen and all that fun stuff. Easy answers with an ounce of research.

Yes, it is "so hard to consider" when our government is full of incompetent people, from the top down, always has been, always will be. People talk, the amount of people required for a controlled demolition would be a ton of people, just to set the charges.
Oh, "routine maintenance" the amount of charges required, would mean that some charges are sitting for a year + if you're working with a tiny crew. Yeah, explosives go bad, blasting caps misfire, in all that time they are hoping no one looks behind a curtain?
On, let's talk of the magical thermite, that can cut steel downwards, but not sideways, that was used to cut sideways...why use it? Guaranteed destruction? So they knew the targets exactly, before anyone came to start their training? Oh, we used professional suicide pilots? Who flew the planes? Why not just bomb it again? Seems like a LOT of coordination of a lot of people.