PBN Domain: Fake Whois Question

[Dwain Stewart]

If you want to register some of your PBN's with fake whois data, is there any chance that the registrar will ask for verification or something like that?

For using fake whois, which domain registrar are good to go?

I use Namesilo, Namecheap, internetbs.net, and Godaddy (auction domains).

 

[safeSEOboost]

In my experience none of the 4 name registrars you mention have ever asked for verification. And the reason I do not expect them to do so in the near future is, there would be a large cost to verify everyone.

 

[damagesmith]

But if you use fake whois how do you pay.
If you pay say using paypal for example. Would that not be an alert to them?

 

[safeSEOboost]

But if you use fake whois how do you pay.
If you pay say using paypal for example. Would that not be an alert to them?

no; nobody will cross check that and you could be paying on behalf of a client anyway.

 

[TheSerpSlayer]

Why use a fake whois when you can use their anonymizing service? I don't understand. Google cannot access the info behind the anonymized whois.

 

[damagesmith]

Why use a fake whois when you can use their anonymizing service? I don't understand. Google cannot access the info behind the anonymized whois.

That's a good question. I am still trying to figure that out.
If you want to make a pbn. Everywhere I read people say only use a small % of your websites as private/anomnous, but
I can't figure out why with clarity.

It has something to do with footprints but I dont fully understand.

 

[itz_styx]

i always use whois protection and never had any issues.

 

[damagesmith]

But I think it has something to with. if you have 50 pbn's pointing to your money site
and google sees all of them as private, that would raise suspicion in google eyes.

 

[damagesmith]

i always use whois protection and never had any issues.

For all of your pbns?

 

[itz_styx]

But I think it has something to with. if you have 50 pbn's pointing to your money site
and google sees all of them as private, that would raise suspicion in google eyes.

why? you say that as if it was a fact, but it isn't. there are millions of sites ranking with whois protection so it can naturally happen that 50 sites with whois protection can link to you.
only based on whois protection google can't say if a site is shady or not.

For all of your pbns?

yes only if the TLD doesn't support whois protection then i set fake whois.

 

[damagesmith]

why? you say that as if it was a fact, but it isn't. there are millions of sites ranking with whois protection so it can naturally happen that 50 sites with whois protection can link to you.
only based on whois protection google can't say if a site is shady or not.


yes only if the TLD doesn't support whois protection then i set fake whois.

The privicy protection on the money site is fine.
Its the privacy protection on the pbns. So the school of thought is you should use fake whois data on these sites.
and I agree in THEORY. That if you only have 50 sites pointing to your blog then you should use fake whois, as having all your backlinks
with privacy is strange.

BUT reality
I don't know of any site that is ranking that only has 50 sites ( I just pulled a number out of thin air) that is pointing to it.
unless maybe it's in a very low comp keyword.

 

[itz_styx]

i create PBN's since over 10 years even before the name "PBN" existed i've created my own properties to get backlinks from.
that being said i haven't had any problems with whois protection, but suit yourself if you want to go the extra mile.

 

[truepals_forever]

I use namecheap and internet.bs most of the times. Always been using Fake info and never had any issues so far.

Note: Stay away from Godaddy at all costs. They are anal if your site starts getting good hits and often lock out accounts for verification. Lost around 5 such accounts few years back and never went back to Godaddy again

 

[safeSEOboost]

some people believe that having too many sites with private ownership linking to your money site could be (or become) a red flag; I would say this is 1 metric, and there are many metrics; so if you have too many red flags at once, then you are in trouble; the question is how not to step over the line overall.

 

[damagesmith]

i create PBN's since over 10 years even before the name "PBN" existed i've created my own properties to get backlinks from.
that being said i haven't had any problems with whois protection, but suit yourself if you want to go the extra mile.

Oh I am not saying you are wrong. I myself am trying to understand the other side.
I tend to side with you but still. I like to learn all sides of the equation.

 

[safeSEOboost]

Another point here is Google cannot really use privacy information as they already have enough trouble with privacy infringement. Such as trying to find out who is behind a privacy contract or so. Of course if you put your real name on all your PBN, this is public not private.
But it seems they do not touch this part for now, as this could become a quagmire for them.

 

[damagesmith]

some people believe that having too many sites with private ownership linking to your money site could be (or become) a red flag; I would say this is 1 metric, and there are many metrics; so if you have too many red flags at once, then you are in trouble; the question is how not to step over the line overall.

yes, it could be in an issue in a crash and burn project.
But in a real money site. The chances are you are going to have pbns pointing to it as well as other links from other sites, some web 2.0 and some other peoples.com sites
So if you have a few hundred links pointing to your money site. Does it matter if a % is with privicy protection?

 

[safeSEOboost]

yes, it could be in an issue in a crash and burn project.
But in a real money site. The chances are you are going to have pbns pointing to it as well as other links from other sites, some web 2.0 and some other peoples.com sites
So if you have a few hundred links pointing to your money site. Does it matter if a % is with privicy protection?

To make a long story short: I can see it if I check it manually; in fact I can spot PBN by just checking privacy (plus other factors) on a large sample; so can google see it (yet)?
Or you can also hide your PBNs.
In summary there are many moving parts, by carefulness always help.

 

[TheSerpSlayer]

Probably more important than having a few of the domains with public whois would be to make sure that none of them are hosting on the same IP subnet. That's a much bigger red flag. With all the hosting out there the chances of two random unconnected domains being within 200 IPs of each other should be almost zero. When I look at reports from majestic I see a lot of spammy urls having this problem where the number of referring domains is significantly higher than the number of IP subnets hosting these same domains.

Also I'd think another footprint would be if all 50 of the domains were from namecheap and none from godaddy. Godaddy is the biggest registrar so if there's more than 50 domains and none of them or even a minority of them are with godaddy that's a red flag too. All of these and other red flags to me seem more important than domain privacy.

 

[itz_styx]

well while i also prefer to host on different subnets, google claims IP's don't matter at all for ranking.
here is an article from matt cutts back when he was still at google. its old yes but their stand on this topic hasn't changed afaik: https://www.mattcutts.com/blog/myth-busting-virtual-hosts-vs-dedicated-ip-addresses/