Instant video rank - the unlisted method is NOT dead

[Cyberars]

*** UPDATE and Conclusions ***

today i finalized the ranking process and even improved the goals on the fly...

one of my best clients that i shared this experiment with, contacted me today and suggest that i should try to aim higher (given the retention and traffic quality and speeds we use)
he said that although on this experiment we did managed to rank #2 on the 1st page, it's still a 3 words search term that has only 218,000 results and if i would try to rank a 2 word search term
that got 2M results i will get a higher volume of searches, i decided to try it right away on the same video, just a quick edit of the main keyword and INSTANTLY it's on the #1 - 1st page of a more competitive search term.

checked from external US VM (not related or logged in for that youtube user)
https://imageshack.com/i/pmJhJqujp


i came to conclusion that i posted before, the unlisted method is just another way to trick youtube to think that the video is getting a lot of views in a very short term,
basically, if we use a traffic source that will generate fast traffic on a new fresh PUBLIC video the result will be the same!

i mean that, if video A is unlisted for 4 days and getting 1K per day and then goes public (with 4K on the RT counter) it will be equal to video B that went public on the same day and got 4K views per hour.

the YT index will first see video A at the moment it's go public and will count ALL the past 4 days views as views that came on the SAME hour instantly, that will make the algo think that the video is a trend/viral that got so much traction in a short while, same if you use PUBLIC new video B and send fast rate traffic close to the initial index time.

although this was a ranking experiment, not for ROI intentions, i will update about organic interactions and or affiliate sales generated from this video in the future

 

[prince188]

i verified this ranking position, this is amazing stuff!

 

[MR.PDTECH]

Op, How do i rank SOCCER HIGHLIGHTS VIDEOS???????

 

[rap8557]

*** UPDATE and Conclusions ***

today i finalized the ranking process and even improved the goals on the fly...

one of my best clients that i shared this experiment with, contacted me today and suggest that i should try to aim higher (given the retention and traffic quality and speeds we use)
he said that although on this experiment we did managed to rank #2 on the 1st page, it's still a 3 words search term that has only 218,000 results and if i would try to rank a 2 word search term
that got 2M results i will get a higher volume of searches, i decided to try it right away on the same video, just a quick edit of the main keyword and INSTANTLY it's on the #1 - 1st page of a more competitive search term.

checked from external US VM (not related or logged in for that youtube user)
https://imageshack.com/i/pmJhJqujp


i came to conclusion that i posted before, the unlisted method is just another way to trick youtube to think that the video is getting a lot of views in a very short term,
basically, if we use a traffic source that will generate fast traffic on a new fresh PUBLIC video the result will be the same!

i mean that, if video A is unlisted for 4 days and getting 1K per day and then goes public (with 4K on the RT counter) it will be equal to video B that went public on the same day and got 4K views per hour.

the YT index will first see video A at the moment it's go public and will count ALL the past 4 days views as views that came on the SAME hour instantly, that will make the algo think that the video is a trend/viral that got so much traction in a short while, same if you use PUBLIC new video B and send fast rate traffic close to the initial index time.

although this was a ranking experiment, not for ROI intentions, i will update about organic interactions and or affiliate sales generated from this video in the future

I agree but both unlisted and public instant rank will drop ranks in short period of time unless you place a lot of daily engagements to it just to keep the rank (theoretically).

 

[johncarterthe]

I agree but both unlisted and public instant rank will drop ranks in short period of time unless you place a lot of daily engagements to it just to keep the rank (theoretically).

What if its the views that is the problem ??

 

[Sidonis]

Guys, I need your help, I do not understand eveyrthing...

Theorically, if I send a lot of real good quality views on an unlisted video (+ why not some social media backlinks (Facebook, Twitter...)) and then I put this video in public : Is that ok or I need to so something else?

What do you mean by affiliated videos etc ? Is it necessary?

Thanks

 

[Deep634]

Youtube trend avaibale ???

 

[Cyberars]

I agree but both unlisted and public instant rank will drop ranks in short period of time unless you place a lot of daily engagements to it just to keep the rank (theoretically).

all traffic stopped a few hours ago, let's see now if rank will stay or drop

What if its the views that is the problem ??

if the views is what keeps it up, we will find out soon after we stopped all traffic

Guys, I need your help, I do not understand eveyrthing...

Theorically, if I send a lot of real good quality views on an unlisted video (+ why not some social media backlinks (Facebook, Twitter...)) and then I put this video in public : Is that ok or I need to so something else?

What do you mean by affiliated videos etc ? Is it necessary?

Thanks

from my experience only views are matter at this point for ranking/trending, you can add any signals that you want or backlinks, but that is a "nice to have" and all tests showed zero effect (comparing to videos with views only)

Youtube trend avaibale ???

it's still on beta, testing now - some nice initial results with ultra fast traffic (7K-9K Views per hour)

 

[diceball4ever]

all traffic stopped a few hours ago, let's see now if rank will stay or drop




if the views is what keeps it up, we will find out soon after we stopped all traffic

So, what happened?

 

[Cyberars]

So, what happened?

nothing it's still on #1 position on the 1st page of the targeted term, i guess it will stay there for now, we moved on to the next experiments

 

[hongquan93]

thank share

 

[MR.PDTECH]

nothing it's still on #1 position on the 1st page of the targeted term, i guess it will stay there for now, we moved on to the next experiments

Hey brother, can i add you on Skype?

 

[Cyberars]

Hey brother, can i add you on Skype?

sure, the skype is cyberars

 

[dbs00]

thanks for sharing your results. gonna give it a shot these days as well

 

[21Savage]

The problem with this is that the rank drops pretty heavily after a couple of days. Any thoughts on using dripfeed views to maintain rank

 

[4WardThinking]

Trying this! wow awesome find my dude!

 

[Cyberars]

Trying this! wow awesome find my dude!

thanks

Hey brother, can i add you on Skype?

sure skype is cyberars

The problem with this is that the rank drops pretty heavily after a couple of days. Any thoughts on using dripfeed views to maintain rank

yes , you are right, but since it didn't happen on the experiment video, maybe since we added too many HR views or due to the fact this niche search volume is not that high (it's a mistake to look at the total search results, better look for the search volume)

i believe that after the recent YT updates, HR views will rank your video very fast even on high competition search terms, but it may de-ranked as soon as the traffic is OFF ( although this didn't happened on video ranked with long tail terms)

my guess that YT ranking algo check to see if the video established ongoing traffic that without it, the video will lose its index position (but this is NOT permanently)
my tests indicate that if you resume traffic (timing is everything - this need to be close to the main campaign) to the video that lost position, it will climb up again back to the high position and even improve it...
i resume drip feed traffic, since YT just need to see that the video is still active (NOT DEAD) still interesting, still getting users traffic = still in the game.

when i see that after the main campaign traffic stopped and youtube search index listing "lost contact" with the actual video counter counting (exactly like what happened on our experiment above) i will just go ahead and edit the video, change some random stuff (thumbnails, description and title, tags, record time, location, language, status) save, and like magic the drip feed traffic start to revive it, it may take hours or days, but later i could see the video get a nice position and it's even starts to catch some organic traffic (that's our main goal), only then i can turn-off all traffic and enjoy the fresh ranking.

 

[HofiKingston]

Why do you edit/change some things like thumbnail, description etc? Is this important to revive the video among the dripfed views?

 

[Cyberars]

Why do you edit/change some things like thumbnail, description etc? Is this important to revive the video among the dripfed views?

the edit is only a simple trick to "force" YouTube index to update the video, how do i know that it needs an update? if for several days the views that are counted on the video counter don't reflect on the index listing, so does the index position is "stuck", when you manage to edit the video, the republished video will update the index with the correct counting .

this is not related to the fast traffic, or the drip-feed views traffic, but i can only guess that stopping the traffic to 0 zero traffic may cause the paush in the index service it's only logical for YT to save resources

 

[barby1]

Testing this method let's see