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Youtube views are changed, review here, lets discuss an solution?

Discussion in 'YouTube' started by djlobo, Aug 18, 2011.

  1. djlobo

    djlobo Power Member

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    Okay, i think problably some of you might noticed that after youtube site mess, their views seem to not count like before anymore.

    I have researched ALLOT during the last weeks and there is my thoughts:

    -Youtube seems now to save all the ips, and if your ip watched that video before it will not count the view for an underteminated amount of days (before the same 1 ip could count 1 view per day, now it seems that it takes more days). I reached that conclusion looking at my test videos on insight stats

    On the image below you can see the ORANGE line wich represents the "unique" users that watched the video, all users from the GREEN space that cross that line up are not unique, these are users that watch the video more then one time.

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    http://postimage.org/image/2zm6sw8lg/

    On the example, if you look at "BEFORE" you can see that the unique users line (orange line) shows that 250 users watched that video, and the rest of the green space shows that 200 +/- users wich watched the video werent unique users

    On the "AFTER" you can see that 60 views where unique and problably other 3 where repeated. (THE 3 views repeated where problably views from users that watched the view before, but then after some days they could again watch and count as a view)

    We can with this pretty much conclude that now the same ip cant watch the same video more then one each X amount of days, once that ip watches the video, it will be logged on the system and problably will not count any view for that video after some time (im guessing that the ip will be again available to count as a view after 5 days or so.).

    I also noticed that this is nothing to do with referrers, youtube seems that now totaly ignores referrers.

    Any thoughts?
     
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  2. warezqq

    warezqq Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    I (partially) disagree.

    I sell youtube views, and my script also stopped working after the change. I used CPA Redirector (from Brad, you can find on this forum) to redirect views. It stopped working, only 5% of the views being sent were counted as of before it was 70%. Now I use another script, but with the same source, and it works like a charm. My sources have a 24h reset time, so same IP's do visit the video the next day.

    I agree on the fact that youtube did change something, but I think it is far more complicated than the IP issue.

    From my findings:

    What does not work: Proxy, Bot, Same IP's 24h, Ping, Straight Redirect, Referred Redirect, Popup/Popunder

    What does work: The right redirect script :)
     
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  3. djlobo

    djlobo Power Member

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    Then is what i thought before (my second thought), youtube is detecing "spam", in other words i think they might be controling how much videos an ip watches per day. and if that ip watches more then X videos per hour it stops counting the views for it.
     
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    This is bad news for a lot of people it looks like its the end of youtube views
     
  5. iAmSpK

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    YouTube is working on something right now, which I won't tell, because I am not 100% sure about it. But there is a reason why BIG videos are freezing at 8-9 views right now.

    If it kept doing that tomorrow also, then it is just a bug, if not, I will write a detailed report here what the changes was.
     
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    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0Ao106jxxU

    FPSRussia, 30,000 likes and 0 views.
     
  7. djlobo

    djlobo Power Member

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    yes i also noticed on youtube forums that people is reporting bugs on some videos, they freeze now at 0 views, i think its more then a bug , either that OR the things that i stated on first post can be an false allarm (someone people reported on youtube forums that they views arent being counted properly) and they are trying now to fix it maybe.

    I guess the changes that you will state will be ending with the 300 ish marker freeze and start checking views since 0 ?
     
  8. djlobo

    djlobo Power Member

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    nah, its not the end, we can still provide views, but they will be low amount then before. Well, still better anything then nothing.
     
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    If the views are freezing at 0, maybe they check legitimacy then instead of 300? Like check so many views before updating to make sure that they are all "legit" instead of like before when they did this at around 300
     
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    Don't forget that you are talking about Google/YouTube here. If they decide they can slam all the view providers and put them to end, in no time. How? For example if they remove the views counters entirely (it looks they are doing it now), because it got corrupted and vicious over the years, it will mean the end of all YouTube view programs and providers. Even if you deliver, you can not prove the delivery. Then probably the likes/subs/comments/rate services will raise.
     
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    ah, i remember the days (not so long ago) where me and spk totally emulated the view system and we were able to do 10 views per video per ip per 24 hours with ease, then it went down to 4, then down to 1. Oh, and we didnt have to waste any bandwidth actually watching the videos :D

    good times xD


    P.S, you guys wont win (if you're trying to game youtube counters) because as you probably figured out, they spend ALOT of money on making sure shit like that doesn't happen, as it greatly affects their bottom line.
     
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  12. warezqq

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    As long as they have view counters, we will win. Theres always a way to bypass their system, and if there isn't, someone will figure one out... It took me a few days to find a working update of my script that was sending views before :)
     
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    I can say that your u2b system on an aged video can still get hundreds of views a day. It is doing well for refreshing and boosting videos dropping in the serps. I even tested boost and noticed an improvement. Not the 700 views you initially claimed. But it does create a spike.

    vag still seems like they have a better system for driving views to newer videos. So I don't support torpedoing them with fake views since they have a solid working solution for some initial views past the 300 block which supports using your service as well.
     
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    My test video is updating as normal, I believe they are checking the initial views now starting at 0 as all my aged videos are updating fine.
     
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    Vagex seems to be the only thing working for me now
     
  16. djlobo

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    it will work fine if you place less then 400 credits,

    I placed 1500 credits on an unlisted video on there i only got 200 views, dont ask me why , maybe i had bad luck
     
  17. kingsta

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    Any new discovers with this view problem fellaz??
     
  18. djlobo

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    well yea, someone told me that they are using the accounts (youtube accounts) to see if you already saw "X" video and storing all data on there, im doing some tests and it seems like its true. (im sure it have more ways to check such as flash coockies, super coockies, and so on).
    it also seems that if an user watch your video one time and gives one view to it, the next he watches it (for example, next day) it will not give an view (before each ip could give one view per video during 24hours,now it can give one view per video on a N/A amount of time (i supose one month or so).
     
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    I sell views, and my method of delivering is still working perfectly fine. You lot need to think of a new way of getting views and don't share it with anyone so it will stay working for ages.
     
  20. xuzhin

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    if anybody can teach me a method i could use to get over thousands ov views in 1 day, with a script or such i would absolutely pay for that. something that works.

    i tried enhanceviews, u2bviews and vagex, my biggest problem with those is when you add your video and say you want 150 views, it doesn't give you that, it waits until you get that, regardless of through them or not, and then just stops counting, i set enhance views to 150, when i had 371 views, which is also when i posted it on youtube. it stopped at 589, but my statistic said that i got 194 views from facebook, so how many plays is that i got from enhanceviews? same with u2bviews.

    which i wouldn't even mind, but with any of these softwares it is impossible to get over 1000 views a day. i tried all 3 softwares yesterday, enhanceviews with 2x150, u2bviews with 1000 i think, and vagex with 1000, i got 614 plays.

    not really very helpful, i mean of course it's a lot better than nothing, but it is really just not enough.

    is there no other way to get youtube plays?

    like 10k-100k a day?