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Would you pay $250 for this domain?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by MySeoEmail, Jan 2, 2016.

  1. MySeoEmail

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    So I just bought a dot com that is 20 years old. Checked in wayback and archive and is clean. Has a TF of 22 and CF of 33. DA of 31 and PA of 35 with a PR of 4 with no redirects.

    Has backlinks from wikipedia, yahoo, cnn, washingtonpost, about, usatoday, fodors, nbcnews to name a few.

    Just curious if I over spent? It seems when I try to get these at auction everyone is bidding on them. I have never spent this much on a domain name.
     
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    20 years is a really long time on a domain BUT you probably could've gotten the same metrics and links from a 2-10 year old one for a lot less (like reg. price, although you said it was from auction so if its 20 years old and live/not dropped I feel strongly that will matter in the near future. With all the dropped names being scooped up and re-registered for PBNs I don't see how G can afford to not apply a hefty penalty to dropped names at some point).

    So I dunno I guess lol, and you never know what the future holds and the possibility that domain age will carry extra weight down the road (like extra age will carry extra authority or age will weigh heavier than it currently does or some combination of the two). $250 does seem high though but if its a nice short brandable name and you're building an authority site and sparing no expense on design, content and linking then really $250 isn't that much in terms of total investment.

    What I'm trying to say is if you can afford it and you feel good about the domain that's all that really matter right?
     
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  3. Chiefjop

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    I agree with wowhaxor and depending the name; 250$ sounds a lot but could be very very cheap :)
     
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    I want it for a PBN. I am not going to do anything with it other then pass link juice to my money site.
     
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    Ya, you probably overpaid then. Even if you're lazy and don't want to spend the time to find one to register you can outsource it to a service where they can find you similar metrics and links (although, again, probably less than 10 years old not 20) for $20-$50 from most sellers and get the same kind of link juice to your money site. I'd be very surprised if sellers offering those services would have sold you this for over $100 (its obviously better than your standard $20+ one but not THAT much better where I'd think it would be worth over $100. That's, again, my opinion though and the fact that I'd rather have 10+ pretty good new sites on my PBN (similar metrics and links from authority sites as well but maybe slightly lower metrics or a few less links and not quite as aged) that would each pass on almost as much juice and combined give you a lot better SERP movement than that one for sure.

    And even if the extra bit of domain age gives it a little bit more juice you'd still be better off buying multiple almost-as-good domains and linking from all of them for the same price in terms of SERP movement on your money site IMO.
     
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    Well for some PBN's the names and topics are very important so there are a lot of people out there willing to pay a lot more than 250$ for the right name with those metrics.

    If it's just a churn and burn domain for a PBN then there are cheaper options.
     
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    I have never found ANYONE selling domains with those metrics for PBNs for that price. If you know where they are let me know. You risk buying a domain from a seller that has garbage backlinks, like pharmacy, adult you name it. Last time I bought a domain from someone selling what they called "a good domain" it had Chinese writing all over the page for the last 3 years of the domain life. Plus every one of my PBN domains are niche relevant. I build it like a real site.
     
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    You said that everyone usually bids on those domains during an auction, so I'm assuming that didn't happen with this domain. I'm not too knowledgeable about purchasing aged domains, but that right there would have made me suspicious as to why everyone wasn't jumping at the chance to purchase the domain when that's their usual behaviour with domains that are worth buying.
     
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  9. SkyrocketSEO

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    $250 for a single domain? WHY? WHY OP? You can get these for a reg fee and $1.99 at GoDady if you are lucky enough to find a coupon code. DUUDE...
    Why would someone pay $250 for a domain, you can get XYZs for free at some registrars..

    Fuck this shit dude
     
  10. craigc0302

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    Definetely not worth that :D
     
  11. TyphoonAgency

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    If the domain is brand-able then no. Since you are using it for a pbn then yes you overpaid big time.
     
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    well you can always start a business and say since 20 years
    *disclaimer by that we actually mean the domain :)
     
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    I agree.

    In any case, don't beat yourself up for it. Just learn for the future.

    Personally, I don't like buying domain names for anything more than what they are regularly priced.

    So unless I really needed a domain name for an existing/future brand or something, I wouldn't think about spending $250 for a single domain name--I'd rather get 20+ domain names (at regular, non-discounted prices), but maybe that's just me.
     
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    You cannot get these domains at expired auction for $1.99, what are you talking about? This was an expired domain picked up at auction. It did have others bidding, 37 people to be exact. I paid the most for it. Everyone was bidding on this. I checked everything and its a rocking domain in majestic. Don't you need good domains to push link juice for PBN's? Crappy $1.99 domains wont do what I need. You can't rank a 200,000 monthly searched keyword with a $1.99 domain.

    Do you see that i said it has backlinks from WashingtonPost and USAToday? How much do you think it will cost you to get a link on those sites? Probably more then I paid for the domain. I seen someone advertising a link on HuffingtonPost for $1200.
     
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    Only problem with heavily bidded domains like that in GoDaddy Auctions is that some people have been known to keep a list of domains they didn't win, and then check them out in a couple of months time and cause big issues for you - either extortion threats (ie pay $X or we'll report to G) or just reporting it to G.
     
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    You were asking for input now you're being all defensive when people are providing it. And yes, this is the kind of domain you want for a PBN not just a fresh domain but that doesn't mean the price wasn't steep to the point where the extra price over similar expired domains outweighs the extra link juice benefits to your money site IMO.

    You're building a PBN so you are better off buying multiple expired/dropped domains with slightly less age, slightly lower metrics/less link and not too worried about EMD/search traffic potential for the exact match search phrase (these are all factors that are much more important on your money page and thus drive the price of this domain up for people looking to buy it to build it as a money site/authority site which makes it overl expensive for a PBN domain).

    You will get more juice to your money site and a better ranking on your money site if you spent the $250 on multiple domains that were very close to the same metrics and links and linked to your money page from all of them (maybe even as many as 10 PBN sites for that price or even your entire network of PBNs if you're finding these yourself and just paying the reg fee) than from this one PBN site on this domain for the same price. That's what we're trying to say.

    You can register expired domains with similar metrics for $1.99 (or a little more than that), you don't have to buy them at auction as not every dropped domain is being held at auction many of them are available to just grab depending mostly on where they were registered through - some places don't hardly hold them at all after they are originally dropped and some will hold them but let you just buy them at reasonable rates and not via auction. I don't really do this myself as I'm happy to have someone else find them, check them and then pay them $20 or $40 for a good domain and save the time and effort. Its a good domain but, again, you could've gotten a similar dropped one for the registration fee if you know how to find them and you invest the time or you could pay a service provider who does that somewhere around $20-$50 depending on the provider and the exact metrics and links, etc. Here is an from a service provider on this forum:

    http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/domains-websites-sale/793107-deadly-domains-expired-domains-private-bhw-special-price.html

    If you were looking to build an authority site then yes it may have been worth it to spend more to get the added benefits of extra age, slightly better metrics (DA) and having an exact match for a highly traffic search term.

    For a PBN though the link juice that you'd get instead from spending the same amount of money for multiple also quite good and nearly as good domains either by investing time and buying them at reg fee price or paying for a lower cost service will yield better results/a higher ranking for your money site for the same price. That's the point I'm trying to make.

    Remember you're not looking to earn money on this domain, its not about traffic coming to it and outranking your competition, this is just one of many domains that make up your larger PBN - all of which combine to help it rank. You're looking at your money site so its about the overall link juice you can pass to it from all the domains in your PBN to rank it and how your total budget is best spent to accomplish that.
     
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    I would put it around 100.00 OP. if the name is really good - brandable, short, maybe 150.00.
     
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    Khm....I was being sarcastic. I pay thousands of dollars for a single domain so I just got bored last night with another "I just gave $173 for a domain, is it too much" thread.
     
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    I would say, if your buy is relevant to On-demand niche, then there is nothing to think about, $250 is worth it.
     
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    Your $250 decent quality domain will yield a much higher return than paying the same price, if not more on some shitty blog post that gets zero attention on a high DA site.