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Would anyone be interested in this $30K/month JV

Discussion in 'Joint Ventures' started by mandude, Jun 9, 2014.

  1. mandude

    mandude Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    I am curious if anyone would be interested in doing this JV with me, but I understand why it has not happened yet and why it may not.

    The JV would be that I do all the niche research, keyword research, build out websites, put content on them (however much is necessary or, forever)
    and you do the SEO to make them rank. We split profits 50/50. (Adsense, amazon etc).

    On paper it seems like a fair deal, but I feel that the problem is anyone that REALLY actually knows what they are doing... they will just take the niche
    and do it themselves and keep all the money. I mean, why do all this SEO for keywords if you only get 50%, why not do it yourself?

    But then I thought, true, but they may not have known or had this niche before so without that part (my part) they never would have made money in this
    niche before anyway.


    In case you are wondering, I already have more than 10 highly profitable niches ready, and about 4 of the sites built, but I have 2 heavy, full time white hat clients
    I dont find much time for this project. I have all keywords that make well over $1 per click (I laugh when noobs say you can only make like 3 cents per click on adsense).

    One of the sites used to rank and I saw sometimes $4/click, $2 on average click.

    If I do this, I need someone that has trust here (not new member), and proof you can rank websites/make money.
    Like I said this isn't just some fluff. I already have a spreadsheet with great keywords with great profits, and if we ranked #1 or page 1 for most of them,
    each site would bring at least $3K per month, with 10 sites minimum. I'm much happier building nice looking websites, and content, than SEO if I had to be honest as well!

    post here or PM.
     
  2. CriminalMind

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    to do good in seo u need money will u share the investment too ?
     
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    jamesshaffer25 Regular Member

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    yeah, you should invest money on seo first, but i am really interested in it, can we talk on skype? just pm me, thanks!
     
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    Yeah, I was wondering talking about that as well.

    There are tons of SEO services here, but Im never sure which ones to use, but someone experienced who is making a lot of money with SEO prob knows who to go to.
    I don't mind and understand splitting the cost of SEO services. BUT, if all you bring to the table is finding other people to do the SEO, it isn't really fair to split 50/50,
    if all you are doing is going to other people and do no work yourself, and then get 50% split of my niches.

    You gotta do some work too! Or you can do ZERO (0) work, but pay for the services and we split 50/50, which, at $3K per month should pay itself off within the first
    profitable months.

    let me hear thoughts
     
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    I'd be interested. I have a fairly large PBN for off-site, but what are your on-site practices?
     
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    I do proper on-site SEO with wordpress, I check magestic and all that to make sure with penguin / panda that the anchor is mostly "other", with 5% here and there.
    Any techniques you would want to do on the site is obviously okay to do, since you would handle SEO and I would be creating the sites, content etc.
    I use Squirrely for content which helps make sure content is SEO optimized as well.
     
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    If you have sites built already then you should pick a few services from the marketplace and split test what works best. It will take a little bit of effort to find the right thing, but once you do you can keep 100% of the profits and bank big time.

    Just avoid mass link building services (on tier 1 at least) unless you are happy to keep moving your sites if they get canned.
     
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    mandude Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    Yeah I was originally thinking this,
    and I started doing it, but there are just so many damn services, and it takes at least 2-3 months to really see results so I wind up testing a lot and wasting money,
    better if someone just knows what works.
     
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    illfounded21 Senior Member

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    How did you calculate the £30k opportunity?
     
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    All of the keyword and niche research that I have done, I do extensive research, each keyword gets a minimum of $1-$1.50 per click (and google shares 60% with you, keeps 40%). Each keyword gets X amount of searches per month, and I base it off of getting only 20% CTR which would be if we are only top 5-10 instead of #1 (which generally gets 40% or so).
    based off of that, a 20% CTR (which is tested and is about what I get with my sites). with those numbers, each site will make a bare minimum of $3K per month (my stats actually show some that should technically make $5-$7K but I like to stay super conservative), with 10 websites.


    Thanks for the question!

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    Just to give you an idea of most of my keywords:
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    Interested, Just One Question. How I can Trust you that You Not Run after Success of Site? As you Know SEO is a Game of 2-3 Months Hard Work. Obviously what are Chances that You Stop Replying After success?
     
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    The same risk applies to me that you wont just take my niches and run.
    There has to be trust between the 2 parties.
     
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    Your logic is slightly wrong here. If all you are bring the niche and keywords and someone else is bringing the SEO and even if it is outsourced it is still very valuable info/service they are providing, equally valuable to your niche and keywords so splitting the cost of the SEO is a given in my books. From that statement alone i as a potential partner would see big red flag and would not be interested. Because you seem to think your KWs are more valuable than someone is doing 'zero work' (in your mind) having researched, tested and found a working method to rank no.1 in Google even though it is outsourced!
     
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    Why don't you just pay for SEO and keep 100%? Lot's of cheap providers on BHW
     
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    That's stupid to say. Anyone can find a good niche. Plenty of search tools to do that lol. Obviously if you control the sites once they do SEO you could just leave and they would be screwed.
     
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    Surely you will get tons of messages from many "SEO gurus" but I'd simply suggest you run all the way yourself. It's hard for you to trust people, same would go for most conscious and skillful SEO guys. Your offer wouldn't sound too appealing to them.

    Instead, get someone to help you pick 3rd party services and assist you in creating a plan to work with. Pretty sure many people would be glad to help you with that complimentary.
     
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    Not really, anyone who can rank a site can DE-rank that MF too!
     
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    Just want to pop in with a suggestion regarding these types of JV's, where there is no paper signed, no witness let's forget about this part and say we can build trust along the way even though we are way too many km away one from each other. Anyhow my point is, which I see it clearly nobody has mentioned, talking here out of a lot of experience in these types of JV's and yes I did get screwed a few times. Well the point is if money is split and especially 50/50 what remains the point of the JV at all ? Well it is simple none, no point, will explain why.

    There is a simple rule here, anything can be outsourced. Don't take me wrong OP, but I have to say it your keyword research is simply useless, because anybody can do kw research on their own without any cost or too much knowledge, there is so much information on the topic anybody can come up with 20$ clicks, but obviously you haven't done your homework in full (You want someone to do the seo because you do not know how to seo) those high paid clicks you are talking so easily about are not so easy to rank for as you might think. Not knowing seo, and I don't asume I'm sure you don't know much about seo otherwise you would be getting those 5$+ clicks or whatever amazon.. I know for sure you don't have a clue how tough a job it can be to rank, and what investments are needed to rank. Well bottom line is if the investment is split 50/50 why would you not just outsource all seo yourself, since you are willing to invest and you seem pretty sure those niches will surely bring home the bacon which we all know its not always the case, and the person that you are looking for will outsource all the content and building the websites and the rest. See where I am getting with these types of JV's ? If both parts invest the same amount of money there is no point! Anyone of us can find people in our local town that we can JV in a way more trustful manner so ya what's the point?

    Now the story would be different if you would have mentioned some websites that are already generating you that profit out of your golden niches, reseached keywords or at least some recent screenshots of your profits. Even so.. I do not believe in these kind of JV's I made my point.

    Lastly I'd like to say that working on building targeted traffic that brings in the profits is ten times more valuable than creating simple websites adsense amazon whatever ready and finding some kw.. or worst case scenario sitting your ass all day long outsourcing content and websites and "keywords".
     
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    Everthing you just said is you talking out your ass. If you don't want to be in the JV then why the hell are you here?

    If you read my OP fully you would have seen that I stated :
    "In case you are wondering, I already have more than 10 highly profitable niches ready, and about 4 of the sites built, but I have 2 heavy, full time white hat clients
    I dont find much time for this project. I have all keywords that make well over $1 per click (I laugh when noobs say you can only make like 3 cents per click on adsense)."

    I never said I don't know how to SEO. Sure, I'll just OC the SEO, but then tell me who to OC to, who is the best provider in the BHW Marketplace. I don't know, hence this JV. If you want to give me that info for free, then go ahead. my guess is you are all talk and probably don't make any money in IM and just like to hear yourself talk (a lot of words but nothing useful).

    As far as a screenshot, no problem.
    you can click the attachments. No Im not going to name domains in a public thread, NICE TRY.

    cna.png

    stats.jpg
    2 different sites.

    Anyway I've already had people contact me because they aren't noobs and understand more niches = more money and that's fine by them.
     
  20. Swordude

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    If I were you I'd read through some of the reviews of services you are interested in and see what others who have used it have to say about it. Once you've got a few you really like, reach out to them and see which one is going to be the most helpful.

    Good luck