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Windows 8 - WTF?

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by Robvandam, Oct 2, 2012.

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  1. Robvandam

    Robvandam Junior Member

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    Seriously, what the hell are Microsoft doing with the new Windows?

    Windows 7 is a great OS. More importantly a great DESKTOP operating system, more than sufficient for our needs (in my opinion). Therefore you'd assume Microsoft would be just doing a few odd tweaking to Windows 7 if they want to improve it...

    Except Windows 8 isn't a merely a tweak - it's a totally new beast.

    I can understand Microsoft wanting to enter the tablet market, and yeah Windows 8 looks like it's gonna be a great OS for tablets, better than iOS and Android. But then to apply that same model to PCs?! Seriously what the hell? The Start button/menu is gone. This is a Windows staple, can't believe they got rid of it.

    In general, PC users don't want to use a touch screen, if they did, they'd get a tablet.

    For me, keyboard and mouse will always rule the desktop space. I know you can switch from Metro Tiles mode back to classic mode in Windows 8, but I still don't get the need for it in the first place. It's just an additional unnecessary bloating. And guess what, they've even included Metro Tiles touchsceen user interface mode in the new Windows Server 2012!

    Many industry experts have poured scorn over Microsoft's new endeavour - including the legendary John Carmack. But MS aint budging, and it looks like people will have to accept Windows 8. Or will they? You never know, this could be a boycott by the PC market and wait till Windows 9, just like what happened with people not leaving XP for Vista, skipping Vista until Win 7 came out.

    We'll see...
     
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    frazgta Power Member

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    Looks like another vista-move to me.

    Lets see.
     
  3. jimbobo2779

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    Touch is not at all a necessity for using Win8, not even close. Even with a kb and mouse it is perfectly fine to use and after a week or two of adjustment it seems strange going back to win7.

    The difference is not nearly as jolting as some would like to believe and most of the industry sources claiming it is a terrible thing have their hand in their own app stores of which win8 will encroach on.

    If people go into it with an open mind and a willingness to learn just a couple of simple new rules for navigating their OS they will have no issue using Win8.

    A lot of the nay-sayers sound like the people that hated going from win3.1 to 95 (if you were into computing in the 90s you will remember this) and lots of people really thought that it would be the down fall of MS and in fact it was the opposite and we are now at a point where the way of doing things in 3.1 is laughably dated.

    There are plugins that will give you the "old" way of doing things (win95 to 7) with a start menu, afterall the start menu is the only thing that has changed that massively, all your apps still run as they did before, everything loads quicker and there are lots of genuine tangible improvements that most that are complaining either have not used it, have not given it a fair shake or feel like their old way of doing things is threatened.

    Humans generally want something new but do not want things to change. Try approaching it with an open mind and it may surprised you how easy it is to use and you can start to enjoy the actual benefits it has rather than spouting the same tired rethoric of how bad it is.
     
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    Just don't switch. I know people still using XP till today and it has been 10 years of it's release so stick with 7 for now.
     
  5. Robvandam

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    I know - except the OS was built with the tablets/apps market in mind, hence Metro is optiimized for touch, no getting away from that.

    I remember it well - except I was one of those who supported Win95. You see Win 3.1 NEEDED to be overhauled, that's the point. Windows 95 is still remains, to this day, the best thing that happened to PCs.

    I'm just not seeing that overhaul need for Windows 7.
     
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    You said it yourself you can switch to the classic mode if you want so stop bitching go cry to Microsoft if you are so worried. At least they are innovating and moving with the times you want to be stuck with that same shitty UI for the next 100 years? It is going to take some getting used to but it looks really cool and seems perfect for being used with a standard keyboard and mouse. The UI is the main difference that stands out but I am sure there are many underlying changes and tweaks to make this a great OS.
     
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    Its the same argument everytime, Win8 is optimised for touch...

    You think MS did not consider the many millions of desktop users out there? If you have used it for a good length of time you will see that the start screen (the only major difference that anyone has a real gripe with) when compared with the start menu is not the bag of shit that many would have you believe.

    The only differences are that there is Metro support (by no means is it a necessity to use it extensively) which is an addition, the start screen which shows far more detail and info than the start screen ever could, and the funny controls in the corners that takes some getting used to. There is nothing that makes it nearly as bad as some luddites would have you believe and the fear is mainly due to people spouting things that they have read online or for attempting to use it without giving it a fair shake.

    If you were to attempt anything with a negative view point the chances are that you will just be trying to reinforce those negative thoughts rather than try to understand why things were done that way and how they could possibly be better than the old way. Give it a year or two and most will have forgotten about all of this and just be getting on with things.

    The new usage paradigms afforded with Metro, which are not forced on us as a full desktop is there, are much easier to get used to than the menus us "computer folk" have gotten used to. People like big buttons and simplicity.

    Time will tell but after using it and thinking about things with an open mind, even though I hated the thought of it before I actualy tried it, I am certain that win8 will be a huge seller for MS and not nearly the shitshow that was Vista. I will be upgrading most of my machines on release day, load times and general system improvements more than make it an easy decision.
     
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    I read somewhere it was a compromise to make a interface that was the same across all of their devices and they plan to link them all together very soon. So your winphone, xbox, tablet and desktop can operate and feel more like one device. If that's the case I am all for it.
     
  9. Robvandam

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    Is this the same shitty UI you've been using your entire life?

    No need for me to bitch to MS, when legends such as John Carmack already have.
     
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    No this is not the same shitty UI you idiot. I don't get why you even made this thread to bitch to BHW members like we care what you think about windows 8. If you don't like don't use it it is as simple as that why complain?, John Carmack did not complain directly to Microsoft he is just voicing his opinion like you are. Go complain to Microsoft.
     
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    Why did they create Win 8? So they'd have a new product to sell and make a few more billion. Mystery solved.
     
  12. Robvandam

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    1. Actually you're the idiot. Since it IS the "same shitty UI". Read your original post again. Your sentence wasn't referring to Windows 8. It was referring to the UI of Windows 7 and pre-Windows 7. I quote, "At least they are innovating and moving with the times you want to be stuck with that same shitty UI for the next 100 years?"

    2. What's the harm in a discussion thread about Windows 8? People are free to share their opinion unless it's against BHW rules. If you don't wanna read my opinion, get out of the thread.
     
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