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Windows 7 or XP?

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by schrute, Oct 21, 2010.

  1. schrute

    schrute Regular Member

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    So I am getting a new computer and have the option to get Windows 7. To be honest, I think its alot of bells and whistles I don't need. I like XP alot. Vista seemed like a waste of space. But is it honestly better than XP? Is 64 bit that big of a deal?

    I guess my big question too is can I run crack ed software or run my own custom scripts, exe without problems?
     
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    ┼blackrat┼ Senior Member

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    I dunno, I haven´t changed from xp to anything. It just suits my needs and works properly. Actually I liked '98 better, but was forced to change to XP.

    I HATE OS changes.
     
  3. DocMello

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    XP is my favorite Windows OS. I have 7 on a new machine, but I guess I'm getting old and set in my ways.

    I have had no problems running software on the W7 machine.

    Your mileage may vary.

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  4. lord

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    windows 7 is the best choice but you must have at least 2gb of ram to truly enjoy the OS. And if you're a gamer or more than a usual user, more like 4gb of ram.

    win 7 manages any exe you want, the compatibility mode is really good this time (in vista it sucked wet dirty socks)

    also 64bits is ok, you won't see much difference from a 32bits version. Only if you're coding 1080p and such (and only with 64bits software)

    so i say go for win 7, it's about time to change that 8year-old system :D
     
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    I was a total(old set in my ways) fan of XP who never even entertained Vista after trying it on a friends machine. Recently got Windows 7 and can honestly say it is great. XP used to crash for me occasionally and was slow to boot - I changed my laptop to WIndows 7 and it is loads, loads better.
     
  7. Botwiz

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    Windows 7 modified to a XP look is way better. All that ram on these new computers just goes to waste running XP. I say upgrade and you won't turn back.
     
  8. CyrusVirus

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    go with windows 7, and get it at 64 bit, but keep your XP pc if you can, because alot of the best software runs flawless on it, win 7 has some great perks though.
     
  9. moneymachine01

    moneymachine01 Regular Member

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    Windows 7, not even close.
     
  10. MoneyTiger

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    If you need more RAM support, you can choose Win 7.

    Win7 is a 64Bit system, it can support more RAM than XP, XP can only support 3G RAM.

    Thanks.
     
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    windoze 7 gets my vote
     
  12. MasterSavant

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    I'm actually running several systems at the same time, so I can give you a direct comparison. I'm running XP SP2, Windows 7 32-bit, and Windows 7 64-bit, almost all with max 4 GB RAM.

    While I do spend the majority of my time on a Windows 7 64-bit system, it's usually to do unessential things like surf the web, write letters, chat, goof off, etc. I don't believe 7-64 is much faster than my XP-32, I just enjoy the graphics.

    For all of my important work, I can only use XP. I find it difficult to do any serious coding or to run programs that require alot of calculations on anything other than XP. Windows 7 is a bit like Apple's OS - it's meant to be easy to use straight out of the box and there are a ton of different "protections" built in to stop people from making changes to the operating system files (this is supposed to protect you from viruses/trojans/etc... I don't think the whole UAC thing is working out too well in this respect).

    Pros Windows 7 64-bit:
    - It is pretty fast and graphics are great. I like the pretty pictures. I like the pretty icons.
    - While Win 7 seems to do a great job of optimizing RAM, it isn't able to do it for more than a few hours at a time... I find that I can keep the speed up if I re-boot the system every four hours.
    - File management is SUPERB. You can make data back-ups without having to use an extra utility... Win 7 can immediately recognize new files and "merge" folders without having to re-copy redundantly. It also automatically alphabetizes all your files... while this is in line with less control for the user, this facet does make life easier when you are working with thousands of files in thousands of folders. In XP, you have to arrange files by "name" or "type" manually.
    - Indexing and search functionality is excellent.

    Cons Windows 7 64-bit:
    - Not compatible with some software (EVEN if it says "Windows 7 64-bit compatible").
    - As with other versions of Win 7, along with Vista, there are way too many built-in protections. You have to continually make registry changes if you want to make changes to particular operating system files.
    - There a large number of processes running at all times (around 90 processes, vs 30 processes in a basic XP setup). I'm guessing that this may be a contributor to Win 7's tendency to freeze up every once in a while. Most importantly, I can't run more than three applications at a time.
    - Doesn't give me a ton of leeway when it comes to customizing the system, plus it doesn't allow me to turn down the glare of my screen (XP allows me to do this). After staring at a computer for 10 hours or so, you come to appreciate the little things.
    - The operating system structure of the Vista/Windows 7 family is pretty unnecessarily convoluted... if XP is a house with three rooms, then Vista/Windows 7 is a house with a 100 rooms. It takes a lot longer to find the exact object/file you're looking for.

    About Windows 7 32-bit:
    - Found it to be noticeably slower than the 64-bit version, otherwise I don't think it's that great. I'm using an older computer (from 2008, ha ha), so the 32-bit version (strangely) doesn't support some of my hardware (although the 64-bit version does).
    - Hacking or cracking of any sort (not that any of you would do something like that) is an exercise in patience in Windows 7.
    - Don't believe the hype about all the new products built for Windows 7... Even on a system running 16 GB of RAM, I've found that Adobe CS5 (any program), and Office 2010 load pretty slowly. You may want to down-grade your software for the time being, as I've found that the products that work the best in Windows 7 tend to be the ones that work really well in XP too. (Note that this is not an issue with Windows 7, it's an issue with the RAM-hungry, graphics-heavy glut of new products out there).

    Pros XP:
    - Extremely stable platform.
    - Even with 4 GB of RAM (XP will only recognize up to about 3 GB), it's still pretty powerful. I'm able to run up to 15 applications at a time. Since I have absolutely zero patience, I use XP when I really need to be productive (and not waste time waiting for things to load or unfreeze).
    - Able to freely make changes to central operating system files. This is essential, as it's the best way I know of keeping my system free of viruses... antivirus programs usually won't touch an infected operating system file so you may have to get in there to remove the offending code.
    - XP is customizable... this is especially great if you like to optimize your system with a few tweaks or overclocking hacks. With Win 7, what you see is what you get.

    Cons Win XP:
    - Hmmm. Can't really think of any right now. XP has been around for almost a decade now, I think that definitely says something.

    Overall, I can't recommend that anyone get rid of XP... you may want to consider setting up a dual-boot system with both OSes just to check out Win 7.
     
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  13. sdtopensied

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    Microsoft hit a home run with Windows 7. Great OS. I never thought I would hear myself saying that.

    Before you switch, acquire a copy of Norton Ghost 14 and back up your XP machine with it. Then convert the backup to a VHD image that you can run in Virtual PC (a feature of Ghost 14). This will let you keep your original machine until your ready to cut the cord so to speak.

    -SDT
     
  14. Botwiz

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    Agreed never thought I would say it either.
     
  15. MoneyTiger

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    :eek: Wow! Savant, you are so professional!!

    You must be a system engineer, experienced so many OS..

    big thanks, learned so much from your post!
     
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  16. alexandraM

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    you can't really compare OS's for speed unless all of the hardware is Exactly the same on all systems.

    XP 64 bit supports as much ram as 7 64 bit
     
  17. AtAllCosts

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    I personally love windows 7's look and productivity features but it has given me a bunch of headaches with some of my favourite blackhat tools, so I run xp on my main desktop and windows 7 on the laptops.
     
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    I got win 7 64 bit with my new laptop (4 GB ram)... Graphics is amazing, loads faster... Also loved their new antivirus (pretty fast takes very few resource)... All software working fine... Gaming experience is amazing...

    I had vista 32 bit in my old laptop not so old lol with 2 GB ram... It was ok but used to give some problem, some time crash.... With my new laptop so far none...

    I am in love with win 7... :) def best OS so far (in my opinion) :)
     
  19. shin610

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    64bit machine requires windows 7 64

    disable all the fancy stuff and youll have a pro os
     
  20. schrute

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    Any tools in particular? I'm looking to run some stuff and concerned there will be an issue.