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Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by mrxinbollywood, Dec 27, 2010.

  1. mrxinbollywood

    mrxinbollywood Elite Member

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    Hi I just though that if we put all out possible keywords in our page body text like this.

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    <p style="font-size:0px;">keywords, keywords, keywords</p>
    Will it make any problem?

    as the font size is 0, it will not shown to user , but G spider can find this on your website. So it is high chance that for low competitive keywords we can rank easily in big G.
     
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    likeskoolaid Regular Member

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    how stupid do you think google is?

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    That is actually an awesome idea..... From my point of view anyways, im not an seo genius, but it definately sounds good
     
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    Google can tell you made the text super small and you're trying to game the system. You think no one else has ever tired that before? Sheesh, is this 2001?
     
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    Google can tell you made the text super small and you're trying to game the system. You think no one else has ever tired that before? Sheesh, is this 2001?
     
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    I'm pretty sure Google has cottoned on to this. Remember a few years ago when people used to keyword stuff their pages and set the font to white and the background to white? Google caught hold of this and penalised sites that did this.

    There are 100 different ways to keyword stuff your pages by css positioning text off the screen, or making it invisible, or making the font size 0px. Personally I think Google isn't that stupid, but hey, give it a try and let us know what happens :)
     
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    roman_tyk Newbie

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    Don't use this method, google not allowed to do that :) you will be banned.
     
  8. Xmind

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    I'm sure their crawlers are not that stupid and they see difference between font-size:0px and font-size:12px. I wouldn't suggest you to do that. :google2: will smell that out!
     
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    artur6000 BANNED BANNED

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    ban from google for sure :)
     
  10. GreyWolf

    GreyWolf Executive VIP Jr. VIP

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    This is the same as making font color and background the same color. It's just going to be seen as keyword stuffing.

    If you want to try something like that you're better off by using divs to hide the text or move it outside the viewable area of your page. That'll be seen as keyword stuffing too, but has a slightly better chance of getting away with it. Emphasis on "slightly".

    The best way to do that of all methods is probably by using dropdown links, and filling that with more text. Again that isn't guaranteed to work but will probably give better results than the other methods. It'll work best if the page is designed so that it makes sense to use the dropdowns. Depending on how you want it to look in your site you can make a dropdown box for the text, or use java to make a textbox that'll show on mouseover or onclick.

    Just remember that anything you do to hide text will risk that it'll be seen as keyword stuffing though. The more you can make it have a true purpose other than just keyword stuffing, the better you're chance of getting benefit from it.
     
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    codBq Registered Member

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    Okey here is the idea if we change h1 tags font size to normal font size in style.css and use more h1 tags in content does it make problem or simply change all h tags to normal size :)
     
  12. SEOwm

    SEOwm Newbie

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    H1 is a start, you need to consider using div tags with mouse over, so that you can stuff full paragraphs, not just keywords, but rich paragraphs and mouse over them...this way you can have a page that isnt covered in text and still have your content.
     
  13. GreyWolf

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    OK the other day when I suggested using dropdown boxes or using divs I didn't actually have time to look up actual examples. I just looked up something a little while ago that needed to use hidden divs also. Since I brought up the idea earlier in this thread I thought I'd come back here and post the type of code I was talking about.
    Code:
    <html>
    <head>
    <title>Use a div to include hidden text</title>
    
    <style type="text/css">
    #HiddenDiv
    {
    visibility:hidden;
    }
    </style>
    
    </head>
    <body>
    <p>There is a hidden div on this page with more text.  You need to view the page source to see it.<p>
    <div id="HiddenDiv">
    <h1>Title for our Hidden Text</h1>
    <p>Your Hidden Text Goes Here</p>
    <p>We are so slick we made a hidden div layer</p>
    </div>
    
    </body>
    </html> 
    Hiding text in this manner will probably be considered the same as if you tried using white text on a white background, 0 pixel size or any other tricks for hiding text. It wouldn't be difficult for the crawlers to determine there isn't any way for a visitor to view the hidden text.

    It would be better if you include a way for the visitors to actually see the text if they want. This type of div has many legitimate uses so, if you do that then the crawler might see it as legitimate text for your page.
    Code:
    <html>
    <head>
    <title>Show Hide text in div</title>
    
    <script type="text/javascript">
    <!--
    function ShowHide(id, visibility) {
        obj = document.getElementsByTagName("div");
        obj[id].style.visibility = visibility;
    }
    //-->
    </script>
    
    <style type="text/css">
    <!--
    #HiddenDiv
    {
    visibility:hidden;
    width:200px;
    height:200px;
    position:absolute;
    left:200px;
    top:50px;
    background-color: #FFFFFF;
    border:1px solid #000000;
    }
    -->
    </style>
    
    </head>
    <body>
    
    <div id="HiddenDiv">
    <h1>Title for our Hidden Text</h1>
    <p>Your Hidden Text Goes Here</p>
    <p>We are so slick we made a hidden div layer</p>
    </div>
    
    --------------------
    <p>Use the following hrefs if you want to have Turn On and Turn Off links</p>
    <p>
    <a href="javascript:ShowHide('HiddenDiv','visible')">show text</a> |
    <a href="javascript:ShowHide('HiddenDiv','hidden')">hide text</a>
    </p>
    --------------------
    <p>Use the following href if you prefer it to show on mouse over instead</p>
    <p>
    <a href="javascript:ShowHide('HiddenDiv','visible')"
          onmouseover="ShowHide('HiddenDiv','visible')"
          onmouseout="ShowHide('HiddenDiv','hidden')">
          Show Text Link
    </a>
    </p>
    --------------------
    </body>
    </html> 
    That code will let you include links to turn the text box on, links to turn the text box off. links that will turn the box on and off on mouseover.

    If you would rather just have a single link that will turn the text box on or off each time it's clicked you can use this code instead.
    Code:
    <html>
    <head>
    <title>Toggle HiddenText in div</title>
    
    <script type="text/javascript">
    <!--
    function ToggleText(id) {
        obj = document.getElementsByTagName("div");
        if (obj[id].style.visibility == 'visible'){
       obj[id].style.visibility = 'hidden';
       }
       else {
       obj[id].style.visibility = 'visible';
       }
    } 
    //-->
    </script>
    
    <style type="text/css">
    <!--
    #HiddenDiv1
    {
    visibility:hidden;
    width:200px;
    height:200px;
    position:absolute;
    left:200px;
    top:50px;
    background-color: #FFFFFF;
    border:1px solid #000000;
    }
    
    #HiddenDiv2
    {
    visibility:hidden;
    width:200px;
    height:200px;
    position:absolute;
    left:400px;
    top:50px;
    background-color: #FFFFFF;
    border:1px solid #000000;
    }
    -->
    </style>
    
    </head>
    <body>
    
    <div id="HiddenDiv1">
    <h1>Block 1 Title</h1>
    <p>Here is one block of hidden text.</p>
    </div>
    
    <div id="HiddenDiv2">
    <h1>Block 2 Title</h1>
    <p>Here is another block of hidden text.</p>
    </div>
    
    <p>This web page has hidden divs</p>
    <p>Click the links to toggle the hidden text</p>
    <p><a href="javascript:ToggleText('HiddenDiv1')">Hidden Block 1</a></p>
    <p><a href="javascript:ToggleText('HiddenDiv2')">Hidden Block 2</a></p>
    
    </body>
    </html> 
    Just change the parameters for the divs if you want a bigger or smaller box or to change the location, colors, etc. Each one of these is a complete html page, so if you want to see how the links actually work to show the hidden text box just copy them into notepad and save as html files, then load the page. This is really pretty simple pages so most html coders probably already know how, but for those who don't it might help some. :cool2:

    @mrxinbollywood - I hope this helps out a little for what you were thinking about.

    I don't know how well the text in hidden divs will work for SEO of your page, but I'm pretty sure these ideas would work better than using a 0 font size or similar trick to hide the text.

    The cool thing about using the divs is that you can use h1 tags and other formatting to make the hidden text even better, and you can add as much text as you want. You can actually put a huge amount of content on a small page with this method. It's also great for photo sites because you can just use the photos as the anchors and use the text box for the photo descriptions.

    You can probably figure out other uses for these type of text boxes also. I would recommend that if you use this kind of text box you change the div id to something besides HiddenDiv. I just used that to make it obvious for these examples. :smokin:
     
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  14. darky89

    darky89 Newbie

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    DO NOT
    Google isn't an idiot robot. This could work for a few weeks but when Google will understand what you're doing you will faaaaaaaaaall ^^
    But you can do it your site is meant to live 2 or 3 weeks and if you need to rank fast.
     
  15. MKelly

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    These days, If the search engine can pick up the stuffed keywords, it will think 'stuffed keywords' and give a penalty, no matter the size of the text.

    Just write naturally and think of a good article to write with the keywords in.