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Why "peerfly" is shaving.

Discussion in 'CPA' started by Gupnup, Apr 4, 2010.

  1. Gupnup

    Gupnup Regular Member

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    I've seen alot of threads recently saying the peerfly is shaving. Peerfly itself is a legit network.

    You see, when you send shitty leads to an advertiser, especially email submits, they're going to scrub, and probably start shaving your ass too.

    For example, back in the day (aka 3 months ago) I would send 100 ewhore leads to a free dating sign up and get something like 24$ in sign ups. I would get all excited and send more, but by then my EPC was gradually declining. I noticed guys emailing me saying they signed up, but I wasn;t even credited. Send shit traffic and you'll get shit conversions back. I was like wtf?:confused: But its all good I only do whitehat with CPA networks, greyhat for traffic.

    Recently, peerfly has gotten very popular here, especially with people using some "spam" methods (nothing wrong with dat, everyone wanna be a hardcore russian dude making 100k a day). But advertisers either group everything either by affiliate or network. I can't say which method is more common, but for simplicities sake Im willing to bet its the latter.

    So for example, say advertiser has an email submit going through peerfly. They pay $1.50 and then only 1 in 150 convert on the backend, they'd then lower how much they pay per submit to pull a profit. So for example they might say they pay 1.50 a submit, but in reality they'll only end up paying 1.30 per submit. This also brings me to my second point, pushing traffic to a higher paying submit does not always equal more profitability. SPLIT TEST. While some other network could have the same submit and the advertiser is actually paying 1.50 per submit because of quality traffic.

    I feel peerfly made themselves vulnerable due to their "seemless" verification method which does NOT require a phone call. And also their lenient stance to spam compared to other real networks.

    I hope this helps, for anyone who is confused as to why it might seem like peerfly is shaving.

    Also please don't think Im kissing ass to peerfly, because I don't even have a peerfly account. I feel theres better networks to run my traffic to (no offense). Although their custom tracking is about as badass as it gets.

    All in all, somethings gotta give and by the looks of it, peerfly is about to open a can of whoopass on spammers.

    tl;dr

    Sent shit traffic to email submits, to any network. And the advertiser is going to wax your balls.
     
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  2. Grizzy

    Grizzy Senior Member

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    I personally have not noticed shaving to be any worse with peerfly then any other reputable network. I try to pre-sell my leads on the idea of trying something out in order to get a free product however.

    If some people are having issues, I think it's just a combination of peerfly being fairly easy to get accepted to, having a good selection of email submits, so openly accepting social media traffic, and massive amounts of their publishers stupidly marketing offers on their 100k+ FB fan pages as "100% free" and not rotating them.. (which of course won't convert that well when people figure out the offer is not actually "free"). Like I said, PRESELL and ROTATE YOUR OFFERS.

    If you were an advertiser, and you got 6,000 "free ipad" leads that didn't sign up for the netflix trial, would you pay the network and it's publishers? That's what I thought...

    This is probably why peerfly has recently forbid a bunch of offers from being marketed on social networking sites...
     
  3. ldsierra

    ldsierra Newbie

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    I'm using peerfly and I have noticed this shaving.. =(
    Something like 50% of the leads is not counting... I think..

    What network you guys are using?
    I need a better network that works with paypal to payments.

    Tks in advance
     
  4. CoreyPeerFly

    CoreyPeerFly Registered Member

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    I've commented on shaving allegations before here and here. I'd like to comment on the part about us being lenient with spam as that is completely false.
    If you ask around we are very strict when it comes to Terms of Service violations. If any of our publishers are found to be spamming or if we receive a complaint from another company or individual about one of our publishers spamming, that publisher is terminated immediately from our network.

    As I've said before on this forum, we do not just accept every one who signs up. We only approve publishers we feel will benefit our company and our advertisers. Our sign up and verification system makes it extremely hard for fraudulent publishers to get into our network and we watch publishers traffic very closely.

    Here are a few comments about us on this forum about us being strict and terminating fraudulent publishers:
    I would also like to note that we are currently developing our own email submit offers. Of course we will only pay for valid leads, so I suspect people will claim that they're being shaved with those also.

    As always, you can PM on here or email me at corey[@]peerfly.com if you have any questions.
     
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  5. Gupnup

    Gupnup Regular Member

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    Well, peerfly was/is definately more popular for spamming, probably due to a few "methods" being posted and peerfly being the recommended choice for a network.

    Did you really even read my thread? You do realize that most advertisers, group lead quality via network. So having a few publishers bringing in shitty lead quality will ruin it for everyone in the network. Hence the reason most networks filter out bad apples. Then on top of that, they'll start lowering your EPC.

    I certainly know alot about them? Lots of people are actually satisfied with Peerfly, they are a legit network. It common sense that the advertiser will start scrubbing if you bring in bad lead quality. You however, are under the false assumption that you can sling any shit traffic to an email submit and your EPC will stay the same. Not gonna happen, get outta lala land.

    Yea, that was an assumption, sorry. But for whatever reason peerfly has recently become the network of choice for those spammy methods, Im sure you know what they are.

    Really, what Im getting at, is that: If you send shitty lead quality to ANY network the advertiser is going to start scrubbing according to your lead quality. Be it hydra,NB, Copeac, MB. Some people expect your EPC to stay the same as it were in the first 2 hours or so. Even with legit methods of promotion your EPC will often drop.
     
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  6. 7878

    7878 Executive VIP Premium Member

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    One thing you need to understand about mrorange is that whenever something doesn't go his way, he comes in here to bitch and moan about it endlessly. I'd suggest taking what ever he says with a grain of salt.

    Fact - He thought some of the EW networks were stealing sales from him back when that was still being discussed here. He cried and cried and argued with every member he could until he eventually got banned.

    Next, it was Gary and his Gmail autoresponder. Mrorange couldn't get it to work so he came back to BHW to cry about that. He went as far as to track down every thread the script owner posted in and call him a scammer. He also opened up multiple threads to flame the product creator.

    Now, he has set his sights on Peerfly.

    Don't let this turn out the same way.

    /opinion
     
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  7. solidsnake

    solidsnake Junior Member

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    I'm using peerfly and I have no problem at all having 100% organic traffic...
     
  8. Pikachu

    Pikachu Newbie

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    I split tested an offer with peerfly and 2 other networks and the other networks (on the same traffic, pulled in 6-7 leads each. Peerfly got me 1.
     
  9. Silencer

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    God I dunno what to hear, can someone just give me a straight answer? Does Peerfly scrub more compared to other networks?
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