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Why not buy a full website as backlink source?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by aussiejack, Sep 28, 2014.

  1. aussiejack

    aussiejack Regular Member

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    What do you guys think about buying a full living website project, just leaving all the content and design as it is, remove all outgoing links and place links to my own projects instead?

    Of course this is very expensive most of the time.

    But advantages look huge at least for a noob like me:

    - very safe. It is not just legit-looking. In fact it is 100% legit because the site was created for users (not some weird PBN site)
    - I dont have to invest time&money in content cause its already there
    - content and backlink profile stays as it is --> G does not see any major change
    - long term worth. I can resell it one day when I dont need it anymore

    I take this into consideration because I look for long term solutions for my own business. I totally respect that a lot of BHW guys just want to hit the shit out of a website for a couple of weeks or month and then throw this poor raped body away. However, that´s not what I am after. I want a solution that still works in 2-3 years.

    Any experiences with that approach?

    For example right now I could buy a full project. PR2, TF15, CF17, DA17, PA31. around 140$. Not related too my niche though. What do you think?
     
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  2. SteveWaller

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    I wouldn't remove the existing outgoing links as this may well raise red flags with Google - I'm sure most "real" websites wouldn't change links within all of their content once it is up. Why not just add more content with your links and then internally link to those new pages so all the juice flows there?

    Other than that, if you can afford to do this then why not. The same rules apply to buying the sites as with domains and I'd try to get sites within your niche if possible.
     
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    I wouldn't take down every link. It's kinda obvious what ur intent is. Just add new articles, posts and pages to it
     
  4. aussiejack

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    I would like to give it a test. Would be great though to get some opinions / experiences before because it is really costy!

    Lets look at these scenarios:

    1) I buy website A including all content, leave everything as it is and add some new content+BL to my money site
    2) Same website A expires, I buy it on godaddy auction (for far less money than in 1) obviously). I make a new setup, put some new content on it etc. Meaning I build A to a PBN. Lets say I make a quite good job, good content, looks quite legit... But still google will know that there were big changes with that site.

    I expect the backlinks from A to my moneysite to be more powerful in scenario 1) than in 2). Just because it looks far more natural and less red flags to G. What do you think: How much more powerful would 1) be compared to 2)?

    I know there is no exact answer to this. But just to get some feeling... What do you expect?
     
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  5. momin90909

    momin90909 Junior Member

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    OP, I dont think it will give you that much advantage.
     
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    That's called PBN....OP, you haven't discovered anything new
     
  7. aussiejack

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    I know that a PBN... thats why I use the word all the time. I´ve never intended to present you anything new. My question to you guys is just if you think that the additional cost of buying a whole website will pay off in the long run.
     
  8. aussiejack

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    at momin: why you think that? Any field experiences?
     
  9. sarav

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    It is indeed a brilliant Idea. Any idea where to look for such websites? Websites in flippa are not that cost worthy.
     
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    Instead of removing the OBL's you can simply nofollow them.

    Then create a niche KW page on the site, where you push most of your PR through (using multiple internal links).
     
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    You would go bankrupt very quickly going this route.

    There's a reason nobody does this and that is because it's not economically feasible.
     
  12. longy

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    Yes do it and get some relevant content and links in there straight away. Don't listen to anyone saying it's suspicious for a website change link etc. How many different links are on BBC homepage each day. OMG ban them.
     
  13. sidnettwo

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    lots of people do this.
     
  14. Gyuman82

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    You're telling me people buy full blown working websites solely for the purpose of a PBN?

    Buying a legit, in-tact PR 5 website would already run you in the thousands, and you'd use it solely for links?

    I can see perhaps if you are still monetizing the property and using it for links as a bonus, but purely as part of a PBN is ridiculous.

    For the same price of a single working website like OP wants he could buy dozens of expired domains and get way more juice.

    Will OPs way work? Sure. But is it the most cost-effective way? Nope.
     
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  15. aussiejack

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    yes. its very costy. Thats why I am asking if anybody actually works like this.

    Sarav: I dont know too much about the international market. I am interested in .de domains and there are several small platforms where you can buy those. Ask me PM if you interested in this.

    One question still remains: How much more power has the backlink from a full working website compared to a website which was dropped, G saw it on godaddy, G saw that all content was removed and replaced, G saw a lot of changes. And G does not like to many changes at once as we all know.

    For example I can buy a full working PR3 for maybe 200$. Or I buy an expired PR3 domain, pepp it up with fresh content etc. If I really want to make it look legit with good articles, good design etc - I will pay maybe 50$.

    200$ to 50$. But I am sure the links from this 200$ will be more powerful because G saw less red flags.

    What do you think? Is it really not worth it?

    PS: I could even rent 1-2 other links to non-direct competitors and make some money on top.
     
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    ITS NOT WORTH IT!!!!

    First off, if you bought a PR3 website for $200, it's already garbage. A decent working PR3 website will cost more than that.

    However lets say you went with that $200 figure. If you used expired domains, you could pick up probably 5 to 7 PR3 domains for that price (even more if you don't use private registration).

    Is that single "real site" going to do more for your SERPs than 5 to 7 "fake sites"? Of course not.

    People put too much emphasis on "real". Succeeding with PBNs is all a numbers game.
     
  17. aussiejack

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    I appreciate your opinion. It sounds logic and maybe you are right. But unless you really tested this it is not more than an opinion to me.

    Anybody here with real field experiences?
     
  18. Gyuman82

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    So you're waiting for an anonymous source on the internet to tell you they tried it and it works?

    You seem to have made up your mind already, so just do it already.
     
  19. aussiejack

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    Why not. People tell about their successful PBNs and other methods all the time... Why not about this.

    Haha, chill man. I haven´t made my mind up. What you say might be 100% correct. I just dont know. But what I understand from your posts that you´ve never really tried that shit. Don´t take it personal that I am asking for people who have real infield experiences with that thing.

    I found some gold posts here on BHW. But I also read a lot of posts which are just based on opinions and not real experiences. SEO is something very practical. When someone says "I don´t think that this will work because of xyz" then I am curious to understand his position and sure he might be right.

    But infield experience is worth more than an opinion. Infield experience is always king.
     
  20. sidnettwo

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    I guess it depends on your niche. In mine, this works good. Sometimes, you will find a site that the owner has not been able to make money from, so you can get good site metrics with lots of pages of quality content for a reasonable price.

    You probably should take your time in taking out the existing links, and adding your own. And you don't need to change much of the whois info either, if you don't want to.

    Lots of benefits to going this route, if you have the money.