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Why go to school?

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by kharm, May 3, 2013.

  1. kharm

    kharm Power Member

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    I have a bachelors, and so far the costs severely outweigh the benefits.

    I'll provide a few examples:
    I found my job by pure luck & personal hard work, and was fortunate enough to be at the right place at the right time. The only direct benefit of the bachelors was the fact that other people believe the degree has value.

    The 2 feasible reasons to go to college here are:
    1) You're OK being locked into society in a field requiring credentials. Such as doctors or dentists. Yet I had a dentist who was a liar, tellin' people they got cavities, and raking in cash from his perceived expertise. And then there are people like my current dentist who does SEO himself and gets business from it
    2) You need the degree as a way to show your kids, family, etc. I did this. Yet this is only applicable if you buy into the fact that learning comes second to pride.

    I have a friend in psychology does nothing with her bachelors, but she actually manipulates people for money sometimes so that would be a lesson learned. But you don't really need a piece of paper to accomplish this.

    The learning process in college:
    I will admit the opportunity to network is certainly there in college, but how many of us have the experience to realize this opportunity in college? And even if you do, you'd find a way to do it without the college environment.

    What I see the learning process as in college is a "visualization" of a hypothetical. Even hands-on examples such as math equations take some visualizing. I'm not on my computer earning a dime from clickbank in a marketing class. I'm hearing words from someone regurgitating information he/she thinks I should hear.

    The visualization is what forms your training, not experience. You can't gain any relevant experience with the way college is set up now. And what the chasm between your visualization and reality grows, the value of what you've learned significantly diminishes. It's like fantasizing about a girl, but you've never said a word to her so what exactly do you know?

    Communication is at a minimum. Time/motivation/focused learning are rarely a priority.

    I certainly do not see the direct benefit of learning here. If you're going to learn, you're going to do it. If you're going to make money, you're going to do it. There are free tutorials on just about every school subject online.

    Did anyone actually learn anything in college?
     
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  2. TheMoneyWizard

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    To see a horses dick maybe?

    Have you never seen a horse's dick before? I have and it was fricking massive!!
     
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    Sure..keep your kids home, learn from online scripts...and in 15-20 years you might have Norman Bates.
     
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    Besides my social security number, I also learned that 90% of college professors are kooks and use their classrooms to recruit sheeples. In the end the most important thing I learned from college then was to think for myself
     
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  5. kharm

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    Well damn I'll be happy to make money off them
     
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    Welcome to the side of reality kharm :)

    A piece of paper called certification doesn't make you rich anymore by virtue of having it on your wall. Why? Because many others have walls and papers on them as well.

    It 's your personal actions in the field that will determine your riches.
     
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    Formal education will make you a living, self education will make you a fortune!
     
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    I had the same thought about university a while back but finally came to the conclusion that it trains your brain how to learn.

    So now you know how to learn efficiently then learn what you want :)
     
  9. Furious George

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    In college I learned how to socialize and wash my own clothes. I did drop out, but not because I wanted to make money. At the time, I was sick of rewriting what our fathers wrote for us. There's no learning going on in college. You learn through experience. People who want to start a business start a business, they don't go to school for it.

    I took so many college level courses in high school, by the time I got to college I thought it was a joke. But the high school diploma I had was the same as the others.

    I think college is good for some people, and if you're going to not go, do it for the right reasons.

    Good post, OP.
     
  10. lakim0

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    I opened a thread about dropping out of college, got depressed.

    Why the hell do these people think only college can give you education ? When I prove them wrong, they start bitching about social life, if I won't go to college, I won't be able to have relationships ?! Bullshit!

    Make your own decisions and live the real life, it's too short to waste years doing something you don't like.

    Now get over and bitch about how important college is.
     
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    School makes you learn ABC of manners and college gives you how to live better social and professional life.(hint: Bunk off most of classes)
     
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    We go through this about once a month. Both sides come out of the woodwork and it turns into a flame war.

    You can wax philosophical as much as you want, but theorizing about the value of college on an internet forum isn't making you any money either.
     
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    School is good and bad, it just depends on where you go. You don't need to go to a expensive school to begin with if you do not have a scholarship yet nor can you afford it.

    1. Start off by taking CLEP tastes
    2. Go to a 2 year college
    3. Take the remaining 2 years at 4 year college, if you did well enough at the 2 year college you may have earned a scholarship, if not you still saved thousands of dollars.
     
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    This is your life, live it how you see fit. You can succeed through multiple degrees, or by having none at all. Education won't always give you success, but it can definitely help shape it.

    There is no one 'right' answer for these type of question, it is personal and depends on the individual.
     
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    Hello Member,
    We go to school because we get plenty of information , knowledge and how to move in society. Firstly we all are supposed to study primary education and then secondary education. Education is must for any person. With the help of good education we get a good job.

    Thanks and Take care
     
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    schools is waste of time i am wasting daily 5 hour on it lol
     
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    we learned to write and read at school , respect it .
     
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    Unlike some here, I resonated with higher education...so much so that I earned a PhD. Speaking from this side of the lectern, many of us who have reached a terminal degree in our field have done so because we truly love the subject; perhaps a bit like you love SEO/IM. At times the fire goes out, lecturing hundreds of people per year, grading papers where it is clear that the student has neither read nor attempted to understand the subject matter is disconcerting.

    Lots of us, I suspect, wonder why we chose this profession...we realize we are pretty smart, at least by conventional standards, and yet we are fiercely independent and unable to work in a regular job...imagine how difficult it is to be a published author in peer reviewed journals or with an academic press and take orders from someone who you can think circles around.

    Corporate life is fine--I've been there too--but it doesn't suit a true academic. True academics would laugh at the notion that one can measure success by whether one owns an M5.

    Plato, Socrates, Aristotle...all of these embodied the true spirit of learning...a lust for truth and knowledge, not just about a particular subject, but about the great ideas (truth, morality, justice, leadership, etc). Find a professor with that passion, who won't let you get away with turning in a half-brained paper or who cares enough to challenge your most deeply-held assumptions and, my friend, you'll receive more than the cost of your tuition.

    On the other hand, if you are unfortunate enough to take classes with dullards who have been phoning it in for a decade, then yes, uni is a waste of time (assuming that you can make something out of your self-study).
     
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