Why does google even care?

So what if people spam and use blackhat techniques to reach the top. If people are buying from these sites that means people are finding what they need. what does it matter to google? if people aren't compaining that they cant find what they are looking for then whats the problem?

greggggg said:

So what if people spam and use blackhat techniques to reach the top. If people are buying from these sites that means people are finding what they need. what does it matter to google? if people aren't compaining that they cant find what they are looking for then whats the problem?

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The problem is that often times people aren't buying from these sites. No offense to those who speak languages other than English, but if Google allowed all spam to count as hits in its database then all Google Searches would return links to underage russian porn sites as #1 listing.

If Google didn't care, then no one would use Google. which means your #400 listing is worthless, and your number #1 listing even more so because the effort it took to get there for nothing.

The issue is they want to hold their market share. Doing that means providing the most relevant results. That's why their algo is always changing, they're not trying to penalize people for the fun of it they're trying to provide the best stuff at the top.

Online is full of repackaged spam. Yes, most authority sites are just repackaging what someone already said and wrote before! They pick and chose favorites thats all!

Google cares because if its search results only turn up the crappy sort of sites you seem to think aren't a problem, vast chunks of its market share will switch to a search engine who's algorithm is being completely ruined by black hat marketers

What did you use before Google came along? (if you are old enough to remember that) Google grew because they provided users with information that they were looking for. It is also about advertising dollars. If you can't get your ads on a site that is relevant and brings you buyers, they will drop adwords quickly.

Gotta be honest, I used to use Yahoo for everything, before they decided that they wanted to be a news portal it was the best site for keeping up with regularly updated sites (still is in some ways).

The thing that swung it for me on Google in the end was the 'define:' function!
However, given Google's repeated insistence that it knows what I'm searching for better than I do, I'm rapidly losing patience with it!

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Gotta be honest, I used to use Yahoo for everything, before they decided that they wanted to be a news portal it was the best site for keeping up with regularly updated sites (still is in some ways).

The thing that swung it for me on Google in the end was the 'define:' function!
However, given Google's repeated insistence that it knows what I'm searching for better than I do, I'm rapidly losing patience with it!

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If you haven't, check www scroogle org, its Google searches scrapped and delivered, without the ads or the lifetime cookies.

greggggg said:

So what if people spam and use blackhat techniques to reach the top. If people are buying from these sites that means people are finding what they need. what does it matter to google? if people aren't compaining that they cant find what they are looking for then whats the problem?

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There is in fact ONE case where google really never seems to care, which is with true ECOMMERCE websites.

I have NEVER seen (or heard of) an ecommerce site getting de-indexed.

I have made a few of them, and they never have many issues with the sandbox, and once they rank, they tend to stay there rock solid.

I have one particular ecommerce site that has ranked good for 2 years now, and never has any issues.

I blast the heck out of it using the classic & well know spam tools.

But anything other than an ecommerce site, you will always have to wonder if you will eventually get de-indexed.

But over all, not many sites seem to get de-indexed, other than when you use adsense on them

I myself seem to have bad luck though. I had like 13 sites de-indexed awhile back. I could never find ANY sort of pattern as to WHY (and I did a LOT of digging etc.)

My only conclusion: my luck really sucks. And no, the sites had no adsense, no google analytics, no google webmaster tools, NONE of that crap that makes it easier for google to find/review my sites.

Awell....... still have about 50 or so money sites. And more in the making.

Thanks for that link Crager, like I say Google has lost the plot so much that it actually pains me to use it some times... (It's pretty much a textbook example of why a monopoly is a bad thing, if the market share were split evenly over 3 search engines using different algorithms then the net wouldn't be in quite such a sorry state )