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Why do noobs feel the need to give advice?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by madoctopus, Dec 17, 2010.

  1. madoctopus

    madoctopus Supreme Member

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    I was wondering why the noobs feel the need to give advice and teach stuff to others when they suck at it and don't really get it. Seems to me that this is more frequent in the IM world, but I might be biased because I follow the IM world more.

    I mean, look at how many crappy courses are out there. Of course, you may say they do it because there's money to be made. Even if you launch a shitty course, you can still make money. After all, if you wrap some crap in a nice package the customer won't feel the stink.

    But it's not like that. Courses aside, I see morons (sorry, but that's what they are) giving advice everywhere (including on BHW) and they give really bad advice. They here about technique X and Y and without even thinking if they work or how well they work, they start to pass on the idea that it works. Then a bunch of newcomers follow that advice, fail, then guess what?! They start giving the same poor advice themselves. Just looking at the advice for link building (which revolves around blog spam, forum spam or some other quick-n-easy spammy method) is enough to get the picture.

    I wonder what the heck happens in a person's brain to do this!? It is some complex, some need to feel capable and good, to compensate for the failure? Or maybe it is just the 'follow the pack mentality' or some form of need for social proof - to know others agree with you (ignoring the fact that if 99 out of 100 people say the Earth is flat, that doesn't mean they are right or make the Earth flat).

    Maybe somebody has a psychological or sociological explanation to this. I'm really curious.

    I'd advise those noobs who didn't really made it to stop spreading crappy advice because it does more harm than it helps, but I know I would be naive to think they would do that. I bet most of them could swear by the idiotic things they stand behind.
     
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    romocop Registered Member

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    I don't think it's a issue of crappy advice (although there is a LOT of crappy advice on here sometimes), I think it's more of an issue that what works today, may not work tomorrow. G is always changing their algorithms. Therefore a lot of stuff gets seen here when it's outdated. People see it, think it works, then re-gurgitate it to the forum acting like they know everything about SEO.
     
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    Strygwyr Junior Member

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    I wouldn't say it's just IM, but rather the internet in general. It's too easy to just write some bullshit response or advice on the internet. In person there's the fear of looking stupid running your mouth on a topic you know nothing about - it's just not like that in the digital world.

    Just take a look at yahoo answers! hahah. But really, the best example I can give is video games. If you ever play a game like DotA, nobodies a noob in that game. :rolleyes:

    Another issue I think on forums specifically is that a lot of people have this obsession with increasing their post count rather than making quality posts. Just look at all the "omgwtf I've made 3 posts and my post counts not increasing!" threads. They may know they can't get away with posting "I agree" responses, so they reiterate something they've read before to make it at least sound like they somewhat know what's going on.

    My two cents, anyway.
     
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    Why do noobs feel the need to make a post asking this? I find it rather strange as well...
     
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    Perhaps the issue is more that the noobs don't recognise that they are noobs. It's all a matter of perspective after all. The 1 yr IMer thinks they are hot shit, when there's others on this board been on t3h interwebs since before they were born.
     
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    take it to your psychiatrist.
     
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    buhuzza Newbie

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    The first thing I was tempted to sell was an adsense/seo method, but by the time I finished the ebook, it had stopped working. I think some people would have still sold it, and some people sell what used to work when it stops. Now I only sell stuff that I think will still work for at least 3-6 months.
     
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    Fools love to dish out useless advice, it makes them feel less foolish.
     
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    They sell this stuff because of all the dreamers- only 10% ever take advantage of it anyway, so who cares if it's crap?

    As for the rest who are just repeating what they hear, it's called "conventional wisdom." Sort of a club where anyone can be a member, and when it's proved wrong that's ok, because everyone in the club was wrong too.

    Mavericks don't get any credit when they're right because they aren't part of the club, and when they're wrong the club says "See, I told you so!"
     
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    human nature to want to be looked up to and accepted waaay before you've paid your dues. However, what one sees as a "noob" in a forum could just be someone who is "new" to the forum and has been in IM for decades. never know

    ....most of my advice sucks. don't ever listen to me.
     
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    I somewhat do agree, and I have done exactly what you suggested myself several times before, I was simply stating that it might be impractical for him to do so, especially for such a small matter, as he would undoubtedly be risking a lot, no matter how small the risk of his site being targeted would be. Anyway, I'm glad it didn't just turn into a flame war.. I suppose I have to agree, your method could quite easily work, but I would still recommend the guy to use bulletproof hosting, as it really is more practical and secure. I suppose I shouldn't have involved this thread.
     
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    Im sorry but i do not agree with you. the internet is a free forum for people to share their thoughts, whether or not they may or may not be right.

    No one can know everything, just because you you have read something before or have your own version on how something is done dose not make them a noob.

    You are not forced in to reading or taking the advice of anyone.
     
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    c0ntenth|ef Power Member

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    there are some useless advice here but who are you to judge? if you don't like it then don't read it and ignore it and move on.
     
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    tacopalypse Executive VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    it creates a good discussions when someone makes a point that's at least somewhat plausible, yet wrong, and then an expert comes by and debunks it.
    had such a thread never been posted, more people might continue believing the misconception.
    it's beneficial for everyone to discuss their incomplete and sometimes erroneous knowledge on topics so that we can all come to a common conclusion on what works and what doesn't work.
     
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    What is noobish there? OP is speaking about factual stuff and the post count does not say anything.

    I completely agree that some persons with no idea at all for whatever reason feel the completely unjustified necessity to spread BS. Honestly, I would also be interested in learning a little about the psychology behind that - could be also helpful for IM purposes :). I have at least a naive guess which is maybe part of the story: many underage people here who need some attention, since they cannot tell their parents about their activities :D

    Apart from the child psychology and sometimes annoying contributions, I am very happy that there is no (BS) censorship and hence here and there a real jewel is revealed. Imagine it would be different. Open-minded people and a platform which is completely open for any IM related discussion is what we need and what we have. And if the one or other piece of information which is shared is not helpful, so what? If you are a noob, you will step in the trap. But most will definitely learn from their mistakes.
     
  18. DavidM19

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    What makes me no longer a noob?

    I make over 400$ a month from my online stuff that I did a long time ago (I also had a full time job) Not much by a longshot, but hey it's something, am I still a noob?

    I have on site now ranked number 1 for a decent enough keyword (I'm now making more then $400 a month) but still, I know 1 site isn't much at all.

    Am I still a noob?

    All perspective.
     
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    Exactly. You don't have to read it through if you don't like it.

    Also, just because someone only has something like 50 posts on here it doesn't neccessarily mean they are newbies. For all we know, these "newbies" could be established members on other BH forums. But then again, if you see someone elses advice, its completely up to you whether you follow it through or not.
     
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    why do you feel the need to post this on the Blackhat SEO section of a blackhat internet marketing forum? the heavy shit will float to the bottom, all forums are designed like that. If some stupid shit sticks out a lot a mod will handle it (hopefully like this thread).
     
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