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Why cant I rank #1 with these stats?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by dgfalk, Sep 24, 2010.

  1. dgfalk

    dgfalk Power Member

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    I have a site that I cant get to the first page of google to save my life and its driving me insane. Look at these stats and tell me what you think

    On the first page of google the top 10 are product pages from amazon, nextag, walmart, target etc... bunch of sites that are not SEO for this keyword.

    Using SEO Quake there are a total of 142 backlinks COMBINED for all 10 sites. My site has a total of 319 backlinks from blog posts, blog comments, xrumer profiles, article directories, and social bookmarks. I have (this is URL PR, NOT! domain PR) 2 PR6, 3 PR4, 11 PR3, and 23 PR1 backlinks and the rest PR0.

    My site is about 2 months old and I am ranking from 11-15 on google. The only thing I can figure out is my domain isn't as old as these "top dogs"

    Can you guys recommend what else I should try? Iv almost giving up on backlinking since I have 3X the amount of backlinks as all 10 sites combined for the first page. Do I just let the domain age or is there something else I am missing? Suggestions?
     
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  2. klawre1221

    klawre1221 Regular Member

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    It does sound like an age issue. The others may not be optimizing for that keyowrd but they have unbelievable trust in google's eyes.
     
  3. dungxvn

    dungxvn Junior Member

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    I think you should add some link from your site to trusted sites such as amazon, wiki... it could do some help.
     
  4. littleg2008

    littleg2008 Senior Member

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    Dont bother adding more links mate.

    Change some of your content around - reword some wording near top of page, including page title and meta tags - ensuring you still keep your keywords near start
     
  5. lewi

    lewi Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    Send me the url of the top competing site and i will do a free analysis on the real amount of backlinks the page has :)

    Lewi
     
  6. theentry

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    Linking to authority sites helps in ranking?
     
  7. pilgrim

    pilgrim Junior Member

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    Do you have decent content? - (Just a thought)
     
  8. dungxvn

    dungxvn Junior Member

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    Yeah, it does
     
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  9. theentry

    theentry Junior Member

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    Haven't heard about this.. and any rules about it? I mean if I have a blog selling some products then I should put 2-3 wikipedia links in the sidebar or something?
     
  10. Spaceman

    Spaceman Regular Member

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    Proof please that linking to authority sites helps a site ranking.

    I dont think it helps at all.
     
  11. dungxvn

    dungxvn Junior Member

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    It's best to keep the site you link to relevant to your niche. If you are selling something, link to amazon will so some help. However, this may be not a strong factor anyway.
     
  12. daserpent

    daserpent Power Member

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    1) Get more content and backlink it heavily.
    2) Get more and more social bookmarks in short time.
    3) Make the site look like it is viral and spinning out great content.

    If you are able to do that.. you will rank in top 10 easily.
     
  13. Kudlit

    Kudlit Junior Member

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    If your visitors don't stay long enough on your site, Google will know that you don't have quality content and will give you lower rankings. Think of ways to make your visitors to stay on your site a little longer. Include pictures and videos.
     
  14. bobbylove321

    bobbylove321 BANNED BANNED

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    319 backlinks and you are ranking 11-15 on Google, and I'm assuming that's positions not pages, so you are on the second page.

    What does that tell you?

    You need more backlinks.

    Get about 200-500 more backlinks and you will be on the first page within the next 1-2 months, or maybe even earlier, however, you are competing with high authority websites, so more backlinks is the key.
     
  15. jiggsaw

    jiggsaw Regular Member

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    I agree with everyone who said add more content to the page and add more high pr backlinks. It works. I was in the same situation not too long ago.
     
  16. dgfalk

    dgfalk Power Member

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    Thanks for all the tips guys. As for linking to high authority sites, this is an amazon affiliate page so I have plenty of links linking to Amazon. I have good articles all written by myself, 5 total pages, maybe Ill add some more.

    Asfar as backlinks I have tons of them out there, they just havnt been picked up yet. So far Ive had these services done
    500 xrumer profile blast
    300 social bookmarks submitted
    30 articles submitted to various article directories
    60 blog posts related to my topic posted on various blogs.
    and probably 100 manual blog comments ive done myself

    I should have plenty of links to outrank these guys.
     
  17. jacobs

    jacobs Power Member

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    ping your backlinks if you cant wait for google to index them naturally.
     
  18. TurnKeyDispensary

    TurnKeyDispensary Newbie

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    I'm new to this board so take this with a grain of salt...

    From Google's perspective, they will not place anywhere near as much weight on SEO that can be easily manufactured. That type of SEO doesn't tell Google if your site is the most relevant to a given search phrase. This is why meta tags, properly placed keywords, etc. matter so little. Backlinks used to be very important (they were at the core of what made Google pass everyone by) but to some extent, they can be manufactured as well. Backlinks matter of course but they no longer count simply as "votes" for your site as they once did. This is why you can't just compare stats alone and predict the results.

    What matters most are those things that are hard to manufacture. For example...

    "Bounce rate" for a search term may have a huge impact on search results. When somebody does a search and then clicks on one of the results, if they hit the back arrow back to Google to look for other sites, this tells Google that the site just visited did not answer their question or meet their needs. However, if that same person does not return to Google, it's more likely they found what they were looking. If they found what they were looking for it means that the site was relevant to the original search phrase.

    What one visitor does means little but across a sampling of thousands or more, bounce rate for specific search phrases can tell far more about a site's relevance than keyword placement, meta tags, etc.

    Exceptions can be found, but generally speaking, quality sites which provide the best and easiest to find information will generally rise to the top rise to the top. Focusing on developing a quality site is the new SEO.

    Just my 2 cents :)
     
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  19. zomman

    zomman Newbie

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    do you have traffic, dynamics on your page? try to drive PPC traffic for a week or so, like this google will see some activity on your side.
     
  20. JackSparrow

    JackSparrow Supreme Member

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    Just keep building backlinks slowly; try setting up squidoo and hubpages with keyword related articles you are targeting with keyword anchor text linkbacks to your money site. Make sure you have a good list of keyword related tags on the squidoo and hubpages as well, will defo draw in more visitors.

    Ive been doing the latter recently and ranked at #5 inside a week on Big G, from 0 to 450+ average visitors per day to my blog, not bad going i think.