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Why can't I even beat a site without backlinks?

Discussion in 'White Hat SEO' started by jeffdonk, Sep 19, 2009.

  1. jeffdonk

    jeffdonk Newbie

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    I created a site about a month ago which I'm trying to rank#1 (in the end) for a norwegian keyword (so, only norwegian sites to worry about). Been adding links etc, and it's now on page 11... still, first page in google for this keyword contains one site made by someone like me(for making money), the rest are newspaper articles, blogs without backlinks etc. Seems to me like the only way google is ranking for this keyword here is based on age and importance of the main domain, not backlinks at all.. how do I compete against that? can't really make my domain age in an instant :D
     
  2. TheBHCat

    TheBHCat Junior Member

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    That is exactly the point behind Whitehat SEO. You can't always take over the first spot overnight, or in a month. Domain age and authority are an important part of G's rankings. Over time, once your domain has gained some more authority, you should be able to overtake the other page, provided you have continuously added backlinks and have a quality site.
     
  3. blueplue

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    pardon me. What do you mean by gaining more authority?
     
  4. biks

    biks Power Member

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    What is the keyword? Have you run it through Market Samurai?
     
  5. jeffdonk

    jeffdonk Newbie

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    never tried market samurai before, downloaded it now, but not quite sure what to look for :)
    One thing I did find out that I didn't know, was that my domain was actually first registered 7 years ago (been dropped since that before I bought it). othert then that I beat #1 for both BLP and BLD
     
  6. gordongekko

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    Domain authority refers to the foundation on which other metrics used to score a page, such as PageRank, are built.
    A good measure of domain authority is to focus on what sites are linking back to your top level domain.
    Parasite hosting leverages the domain authority of .edus, .govs and web 2.0 sites to rank for adult, pharmaceutical or gambling related search terms.
     
  7. eskimo

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    there are so many factors that g uses to determine rank in searches, and while backlinks is a very important one, it is in no way the only one.

    here are the top 5 (in my opinion)

    domain name - if you have the exact keyword, you off to a good start

    traffic - the more traffic you get on the site in general will help. the more targetted traffic (people searching for your keyword, finding your site, and clicking) the better

    age of domain - the longer the site has been up, the better

    backlinks - you know this one :)

    keywords within the site - the more relevant, keyword rich content you have the better


    One major suggestion i can give you in regards to ranking well fast is to get traffic. doesnt matter if its junk traffic. this month i launched a new site, which has the exact keyword for the domain.

    I posted tons of ads on gumtree and cl and the like, as well as posting it to all the normal social media sites (digg, reddit etc...), got my buddies to check it out.

    It had about 300 hits on day 1, and about 180 on day 2. By the end of day 2 it was on page 1 in google. it is still climbing now, with about 50 - 100 hits a day and growing
     
  8. samlexton

    samlexton Newbie

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    if you ask me, i'd say google programmed a lot of paranoia into their ranking algorithms just to piece off webmasters. i created a health blog with no backlinks and 8 hours later or so, i saw it on the 1st page listing for a keyword that has 12,000,000 competitors and 6 minutes after that, it dissappered from the listings as if it was never indexed.

    Now i have another website i bled and worked like a mad man to get into a rather medium competitive term and was only listed after the search got saturated.

    Nobody truly understands SEO to it's fullest, not even google, so they get their algorithm to switch into different modes in order to keep us guessing what works or what does'nt.

    Old authority sites are the only ones they refrain from their fucked up algorithm.
     
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    azxten Junior Member

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    Does this site link to itself? Other pages could have lots of backlinks which include a link back to the page you're trying to outrank. The authority of these other pages, even though they're from the same site, can easily outrank lots of "worthless" external backlinks from social bookmarking, etc.
     
  10. biks

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    Tell-me-the-keyword. [heavy sigh]

    *I* will run it through Market Samurai, post the results and I'll tell ya what I think. Hopefully others can do the same.
     
  11. jeffdonk

    jeffdonk Newbie

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    the keyword is: "slanking" , norwegian word. for those interested: the closest translation is: "weight loss"
     
  12. lexmark

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    SOME EASY TO FOLLOW TIPS.

    1) Create or hire a person to write at least 10 articles focused on that Keyword add 6 articles to your site, the other 4 have them at squiddo hubpages etc.
    2) Create evne more free blogs and 2.0 properties for that keyword and link them to your 4 articles of course all 4 articles, pages must link clearly to your main site.
    voila you are #1 now!

    if needing more help let me know.
    :)

    Mark.
     
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    By the way a just another not so white hat Trick, (follow the viagra path in google ;) )

    have fun

    Mark
     
  14. JEFEX13

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    these are some great tips
    :)
     
  15. biks

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    OK, this is what I see. This should've been a fairly easy one (for only 178 exact searches) to get a descent SERP, but a couple of things. You'll notice plenty of green squares, that a good sign..but..

    the #10 URL (mixx.com/stories) Even though is has 0 PR and 0 backlinks, someone optimized the Title|URL|Desc|Head for the keyword "slanking"

    #9 URL (slankingogkosthold.com) PR 2 with 273 backlinks. Tricky.

    The others above it DO have backlinks...until you get to:
    #3 URL (ung.no/slanking) PR 5 with 51 backlinks. Ouch. Normally you'd never clear a PR 5 unless your URL is optimized for the keyword...thus..

    #1 URL (slanking.org) This is the only way you'll tend to beat a PR 5 site..have your URL optimized right on the money.

    So...unless you've got the site slanking.com or slanking.net, you ain't gonna jump over #3. Since you've only getting 178 EXACT searches for slanking, the #1 spot will be getting most of them, if you're floating around spot #5-6 you'd just get a tiny fraction of that.

    It also shows AWA at 0. (Adword Ads) You're not even THINKING of putting adsense on this site, right?

    If this keyword was getting something like 500-1000 exact searches, I'd be all over it. I'd be happy with spot #5 or 6. As it stands...eh.

    Anyone else interpret this differently?
     
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    zilcha Registered Member

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    what viagra path? :confused:
     
  17. jeffdonk

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    Hi and thanks for the info. I'm pretty sure that the AWA is more than 0, but because "slanking" is a norwegian word and the adwords campaigns are only showed to norwegians I'm guessing that's why it shows 0 for you? Your list also have 3-4 results that I'm not getting when using google.no. #1 for this word right now (on google.no) is actually http://mallmich.blogg.no/1250288222_storm_slanking.html ... blogg.no is a huge free blog site in norway, still.. why is this blog #1?
     
  18. neo

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    If the URL of the domain is an exact keyword match with a gTLD (.com, .org &.net) they will rank well for that keyword with considerably less backlinks than the competitors.

    This doesn't mean that, you can rank on number1 spot just with a exact match keyword domain. But you can rank well with lot less efforts especially if your domain is bit aged and got few decent backlinks.

    -Neo
     
  19. jeffdonk

    jeffdonk Newbie

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    so, if I bought like keyword.biz, that should give me an advantage?
     
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  20. biks

    biks Power Member

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    OK, you're doing your search from Norway. I'm showing you what the keyword looks like from the U.S, so yea..I'm sure you'll get a higher AWA. What does the chart from Market Samurai look when you run it from where you are?