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who is brave enough to take on Google

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by antx16, Jun 30, 2008.

  1. antx16

    antx16 Power Member

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    hey guys who is brave enough to take on google
     
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    oldenstylehats Elite Member Premium Member

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    In what respect?
     
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    Too brief, what do you mean?
     
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    We are blackhat SEOs it's basically our job ;) (at least that's the way I feel when I push my doorway pages onto a server and into googles index )
     
  5. antx16

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    Well guys sorry i did not finish my thread , the power went down , anyway what i meant was , who out there in the world of search engine programming and maybe some of ourselves here at bhw could pool together to try to make a search engine even more powerfull than google using our bhw knowledge ?????
     
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    oldenstylehats Elite Member Premium Member

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    I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that there might only be a few people here who would even be considered for potential employment at Google, let alone capable of making a better search engine which some of the best and brightest in the world have been developing since many members of BHW were in grade school.
     
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  7. antx16

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    I agree but did'nt google start from nothing and built an empire , i am sure we can do the same if we all work in the same direction
     
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    What about to make something like Google 2.
    More powerful and more user friendly with all this user uploaded, user generated and user rated content?

    Or what about to create web3.0?
     
  9. oldenstylehats

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    Well, I wouldn't exactly say it started from nothing.

    If anyone is actually interested in learning how search engines work, I highly recommend the textbook "Information Retrieval" as a starting point. It was written by Dr. David Grossman and Dr. Ophir Frieder at IIT. I've read the manuscript of Dr. Grossman's new book and it is also phenomenal, but I imagine it won't be published for another year or so.

    The book is for technically minded people who have a proficient understanding of complex linear algebra and algorithm analysis.
     
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    Forget about google 2.0. Let's develop Google 3.0

    All this web2. stuff very soon will become outdated.
     
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    That?s the problem olden? why should you seek to compare your skills to the employees of Google, when success doesn?t come by simply mimicking your competitor? It comes by offering something innovated, innovation produces success. Think of what Google doesn?t have what can be offered. I have a million ideas and it doesn?t cause much but dedication, skills and commitment which I?m sure every member here has.

    Google started out in a garage with just a computer but the pure fuel was the dedication and commitment. They didn?t had millions to begin with and Yahoo was the leading company in that industry but by being innovative and offering more services that allows more activity from the consumers, they slowly took the lead. Don?t look at any statistics first, start compiling ideas and working with them.

    You should definitely not let the dominance of your competitor be the map of your goals especially if they started off by not doing that. But I do agree it does require skills and commitment and it isn?t far from possible. I have a million ideas, I?d be happy to lend my brain. Don?t look at the obstacles especially if you?re just making suggestions, you?ll give up before you begin. It doesn?t take much but if you already have your mind made up that it does then you will get nowhere.
     
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    antx16 Power Member

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    thats exactly what i mean we have thousands of members everyone has a certain knowledge of a certain speciality , if we all get together we could cause a major upheavel
     
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    I'm not trying to rain on anyone's parade, I'm just saying I'd be surprised if there was more than 5 people on this entire forum who are capable of understanding even the most basic math that goes into doing a simple query, let alone deterministic modeling, document quality analysis, or latent semantic indexing. This isn't something you can just pick-up from an ebook or a blog post. This is something that people go to school for years to understand the basic basic principles of.
     
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    That and a dime will get you squat.

    You guys are basically posting a help wanted ad for other people to come up with the next big thing, completely ignoring the opinions of the people who would actually be capable of such a thing if it were possible.

    I'm pretty much the King of the Middlemen, all my brilliant ideas are wrapped up in other people's involvement. But I have very specific ideas of what these people are supposed to do, and what needs to be done for us to reach the next step. I come up with a method, I go through my mental rolodex of what each person I know is capable of and where they are at the moment, and I tap them for their particular piece of the puzzle. But I already have the larger scope well in mind and in sharp detail.

    There's a vast chasm between having a plan and seeing it get done. You don't even have a plan, you have an idea. Fixing that is the first step.

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    So we'll shift together from blackhat to whitehat :)

    In white hat it's all about quality content and communication... or something else?
     
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    My skill lies in programming.. and it's also my passion.
    But before programming we need some innovations.
     
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    I?m not the one asking whose brave enough to take on Google. If I wanted to of course I would give it a solid go and I?m sure I could do it. I wouldn?t be focusing on Google, if I wanted to take them out. I said I have a million ideas, and what it would cost, give me the ?money? (skills, dedication and commitment) and I?ll get it done, of course my objection wouldn?t be to ?beat Google? but I might just do so.

    I understand you olden because that?s true. This won?t be an easy task, if anybody expects.
     
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    Well honestly guys i think most of the posts here are undermining the quality of the members we have here , we have some very talented bhw members in all areas , i am sure when they come online later , they will have something to say , for the moment guys i am going for dinner it is my wedding anniversary , so speak to you all later , thanks for posting
     
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    i do this basically as a degree. AI is just pure searching and deals with issues like this.

    Believe me, its no easy feat.

    If you have enough money to build & create a quantum computer (yes, they exist already. google it.) and have the money and resources to hire the worlds greatest minds to provide a search algorithm to run on it, then MAYBE you might be able to compete with google.

    most search problems are NP-complete. Solve this and you'll be given $1m anyway (literally, loadsa companys have offered this!), so yeah ...

    get reading your favourite maths, physics and AI books, then in 5 years time you can have an idea of how complex google is, nevermind have your own search engine!
     
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    I think this is definitely an idle question. Everybody else who replied to this thread has said what needed to be said about logistics, but I'd like to point out that their system is imperfect and continuously changing, and gaming the existing system is what it's all about.

    With that said, there is definitely more money being collectively made outside the big G than inside it (one business, no matter how big, vs millions of small - or not so small - niche businesses) by people exactly like the members of this board.