Whitehat / COPEAC / Problem

Still keeping with this thread until I see some form of proof. I mean, I have explained my side as good as anyone can, I gave screen shots of my very simple campaign explained everything that was asked.

And yet, I've seen nothing in the form of proof on the other side.

Again, I. Did. Not. Spam. Craigslist. I don't even use it to shop.

And yeah, you might say it's a low traffic campaign and it wasn't much money involved, but that money is worth a car and house payment to me, it might not mean much to a million dollar CEO of a CPA company... But it's a lot to me.

I still feel I'm obliged to have that money because I was and still am doing whitehat PPC. And the fact I'm still with the CPA company I had before COPEAC and I was doing the exact same campaign shows something went wrong on the advertisers/CPA companies side.

my experience is that COPEAC sucks - piss poor management from both an advertiser and a publisher perspective.

Clark, show your adwords account for the last 2 months.

The ones with all the clicks and impressions from both of the offers you were sending to.

I'm not trying to call you out, but this will prove if you sent 2 companies the same offers, and show the around the same amount of clicks as Mike as shown you got.

If it does, that should be all the proof Mike needs to pay you.

MaxPowers said:

Clark, show your adwords account for the last 2 months.

The ones with all the clicks and impressions from both of the offers you were sending to.

I'm not trying to call you out, but this will prove if you sent 2 companies the same offers, and show the around the same amount of clicks as Mike as shown you got.

If it does, that should be all the proof Mike needs to pay you.

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^ This gives me proof to go back with. Otherwise its just hearsay because nothing you showed matched up to what we show in clicks

trooper said:

my experience is that COPEAC sucks - piss poor management from both an advertiser and a publisher perspective.

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Sorry you feel that way. If you ran offers in a blackhat manner then it would explain the bad service. If it wasnt BH methods feel free to send me the details so i can fix our processes for others in the future if you dont mind, maybe fix your issue too if it still matters for you.

honestly clark, the screenshots you posted makes me believe you arent totally telling the truth....i mean you are trying to justify that you are sending traffic from adwords but the screenshot proves nothing as it doesnt show you received any traffic to any ringtone offer on the screenshot and then billing page that could be for any other offers or who knows could be someone elses account so if you really want your money back and sure you are telling the truth then you could be teamviewer with the copeac worker on this forum and if everything works out then they wont have any excuse not to pay you

dayomoto said:

honestly clark, the screenshots you posted makes me believe you arent totally telling the truth....i mean you are trying to justify that you are sending traffic from adwords but the screenshot proves nothing as it doesnt show you received any traffic to any ringtone offer on the screenshot and then billing page that could be for any other offers or who knows could be someone elses account so if you really want your money back and sure you are telling the truth then you could be teamviewer with the copeac worker on this forum and if everything works out then they wont have any excuse not to pay you

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I doesn't show traffic on the graph because that is the 7 day graph, I hadn't received any traffic during that time because my card was declined (already explained that).

Right, I'm sure they will go out of their way after the way the AM couldn't even answer his fucking phone any time I tried to talk to him about an offer or a simple question.

And you know what I find funny? Is first the AM says he has this "statistics"... and then Mike said "once the advertiser sends me the recorded phone call of the consumer complaining i wont bother looking any further"

Why haven't YOU, COPEAC provided any proof? You say you can call the advertiser... Why haven't you? Why not go ahead and post the recording on here and make me look like a fool?... If you can actually do that why haven't you?

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mkrongel said:

^ This gives me proof to go back with. Otherwise its just hearsay because nothing you showed matched up to what we show in clicks

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Then why didn't you tell me that your self the first time you saw the screen shots of my Adwords account? I would have gladly taken a screen shot of whatever you wanted, I just wasn't sure what page you wanted so I pretty much just snapped anything I thought of.


This is just sad and hilarious actually... Honestly no matter what I post I will never get that money. I could post 100% undeniable proof and you could probably dance around it and turn it on me, because you're the big company and I'm the one with the little $1,000 check.


But it's funny when I think about it.. You know when my account was banned I thought it was because I accidentally ran PPC traffic on a non-PPC campaign or something stupid like that, I figured that's what my AM would have said, but when he said Craigslist I knew there was something wrong and really honestly thought I was going to get my account back and my money because, obviously I didn't run anything with Craigslist, ever.

I'm done with it, you win. I do want to say though... I really did run regular whitehat traffic.

Enjoy.

take them to small claims

Two advertisers saying that he was spamming craigslist is hardly a reason not to pay. Did they take a screenshot? Just another big company like copeac screwing the little guy...

mkrongel said:

If this came from a normal PPC campaign how come you blanked your referrers?

Two advertisers said you were spamming Craigs List, your referral links are blank as if you intentionally tried to hide them from us.

Why should anyone believe what you're saying?

People who run normal PPC campaigns dont hide their referrers, if it was indeed WH you wouldnt have taken the extra steps to hide from us. If your excuse is so we wont copy your ads, you did small low volume, why would anyone care to copy? And plus we dont have an internal media buying team so......

As far as i am concerned you spammed craigs list and got caught. Post some proof showing the ads you bought, reporting from the place you bought the traffic from and i might look further in to it, otherwise drop it, because once the advertiser sends me the recorded phone call of the consumer complaining i wont bother looking any further

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Perfect.Cell said:

Let it go Clark, just cut your loses and never look back. I doesn't matter if Copeac cheated you or you cheated CL, it just doesn't matter either way. They don't want to pay you, they aren't going to pay you and the bottom line is, it isn't even worth your time. There much better companies to deal with anyway. Copeac are some lying sons of bitches I'll tell you that right now. I don't give a damn if "CEO Copeac" is 10 pixels over my avatar and is reading this because I'm not talking to him, I personally was cheated by them the minute I signed up. I was so excited when I got accepted, I spoke with them on the phone and everything was great. Then I started running small campaigns here and there and never saw anything for earnings even when google clearly showed otherwise. Not one single penny. I personally knew people in different states who visited my site, clicked on the ad, and even converted just to support my endeavors and not one penny from my admin screen showed up. Not to mention Copeac is ridiculously hard to get a hold of on the phone or via live chat. I personally have tried to contact my AM via live chat and as soon as I did, he went afk and then closed his live chat out. I have called them many times and it's like pulling teeth to get someone on the phone. I would not and have never run a business that way.

On the other hand, there are some guys who claim Copeac is a fine upstanding company and I am sure for many they are. Just wasn't my experience.

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"I personally knew people in different states who visited my site, clicked on the ad, and even converted just to support my endeavors and not one penny from my admin screen showed up."

That really sucks........total proof! Seems like alot of CPA companies are scammers themselves!!

guys to be frank - Mike Krongel is seriously one of the most standup guys Ive ever had the pleasure of dealing with in this industry. .He's been more than fair to me and gone above and beyond to help me build my business.

Almost a year ago I even got caught mailing to lists that included scraped Craigslist leads and was facing termination - and when my AM couldnt do anything and his network manager didnt give two shits about the situation and wanted me banned, Mike personally stepped in and gave me a 2nd chance even though they pretty much caught me red handed.

Copeac was ranked #320 on Inc. 500's annual list of the fastest growing companies in the US - a multimillion dollar company like them just isn't in a position to "steal peoples campaigns" especially something as tiny as the campaign the OP mentioned.

In a world where money does truly talk - Intermark/Copeac has really helped me out in the past with hooking me up with weekly wires quickly after I showed them traffic that backed out.

To be 100% honest im sure they know some of the traffic methods I use may be sort of "blackhat", but if i had to explain it - I think that their main concern is just making sure the campaign actually brings quality leads and thats their concern.


I have gotten approved from networks before by straight up telling them my traffic source is a high ranking blog that I have ranking for high traffic key terms by making blog farms and using forum spam + xrumer blasts .

If you can somehow use traditonally frowned upon traffic sources to actually deliver conversions that are profitable - you will make it alot furthur in the long run.

learning something

OMG COPEAC did the same thing to me this month , I didn't have blank referrers but the referrers where my landing pages and they wanted my campaigns and keywords. I say NO "They want this so they can copy your campaigns" !! so they disable my account and not returning emails now. I also got my w2 from them today and it show they paid me $1,000 more then they did. Stay away from them that all I can say, And do you best to spread the word!! Nothing hurts a network more then bad press!!!

CallItLikeIseeIt said:

guys to be frank - Mike Krongel is seriously one of the most standup guys Ive ever had the pleasure of dealing with in this industry. .He's been more than fair to me and gone above and beyond to help me build my business.

Almost a year ago I even got caught mailing to lists that included scraped Craigslist leads and was facing termination - and when my AM couldnt do anything and his network manager didnt give two shits about the situation and wanted me banned, Mike personally stepped in and gave me a 2nd chance even though they pretty much caught me red handed.

Copeac was ranked #320 on Inc. 500's annual list of the fastest growing companies in the US - a multimillion dollar company like them just isn't in a position to "steal peoples campaigns" especially something as tiny as the campaign the OP mentioned.

In a world where money does truly talk - Intermark/Copeac has really helped me out in the past with hooking me up with weekly wires quickly after I showed them traffic that backed out.

To be 100% honest im sure they know some of the traffic methods I use may be sort of "blackhat", but if i had to explain it - I think that their main concern is just making sure the campaign actually brings quality leads and thats their concern.

I have gotten approved from networks before by straight up telling them my traffic source is a high ranking blog that I have ranking for high traffic key terms by making blog farms and using forum spam + xrumer blasts .

If you can somehow use traditonally frowned upon traffic sources to actually deliver conversions that are profitable - you will make it alot furthur in the long run.

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No doubt Mike seems to have tried to do something... At least more than my AM tried. And yeah what I said before was a little harsh.

I did notice you mentioned about COPEAC wouldn't steal a campaign and I'd believe it but that's not what happened.

I sent PPC whitehat normal traffic to multiple offers that were fed through a randomizer so I'd get 50% at CPA1 and 50% at CPA2, only reason I did that is I like some money in PayPal (makes it easier to pay online) and prefer the rest in a check. (That also explains why some of COPEAC's clicks are missing) And I was banned for "spamming Craigslist".

hmm.
"I personally knew people in different states who visited my site, clicked on the ad, and even converted just to support my endeavors and not one penny from my admin screen showed up."

tthaThat happened to me also with copeac, and I had forgotten about it. I was just about to start a big campaign with copeac tomorrow, but I think I'm going to hold out for another network.

whats with the pic?

MCMSinger said:

HydraNetwork is the way to go. Yeah company from Beverly Hills 90210.... I'm a advertiser there.

They don't play around with blackhat & they WILL ban you very quickly.

They DO NOT shave their leads as much. In fact, I'd say 100% leads go through...

My advice is to fuck COPEAC & go with Hollywood's CPA Network HydraNetwork at Beverly Hills 90210....

My account manager is Brad Pitt. (jkin)

Take that Mike... I think Copeac's CEO is Mike Filsaime...

That bastard Filsaime sent an email yesterday about a fake story on how he went bankrupt in 2006 & had to sell his wife's wedding wrong. I knew that scum was lying because he said his wife was unemployed & then he said his wife felt ashamed in front of her coworkers for having to sell the ring.

Anyways, go to Hollywood's Internet marketing company: Hydranetwork.

be careful though, they have paprazzi's all over taking pictures of you. If they catch blackhat, it will be all over the tabloids.

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Wow youre retarded. My last name is Krongel not Filsaime.

sorry i don't have anything positive to contribute to this thread but i would love to talk to you on aim sometime mr mike, i'll send you a PM with my aim screenname so you can add me

MCM, you forgot to add that Hydra only accepts affs that make 10k+ a month, and that they're bankrupt!

funny one guy claimed to have been paid for scraping/mailing CL leads- even after caught

and OP is banned for "spamming craigslist" when he hasn't

can someone tell me the difference between the two :-D?