White Hatters are Annoying...

Jabong82 said:

Blah just spent some time on the WF and geez those guys are so annoying!!!

Total SEO newbs against automation software. They are all about that "hand built" links and condemn any sort of automation even though they don't know what they are talking about.

I see guys asking how they can improve their rankings for super non-competitive keywords, and others responding they should invest in paid links or manually comment on quality blogs etc. when one Xrumer or AMR blast could get them to page 1.

/rant

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Funny how you are talking about annoying white hatters, while you sound like a total newb yourself. You act like blackhatters are the smart ones, while most of them don't even know how to make the most of Xrumer. And if you don't know how to use Xrumer, it can also do a lot of harm to your site.

lol, I love the first post

I love it when whitehatters say that their backlinks are whitehat because they manually placed them. When in reality all backlinks placed for personal gain are blackhat

WildJoe86 said:

Funny how you are talking about annoying white hatters, while you sound like a total newb yourself. You act like blackhatters are the smart ones, while most of them don't even know how to make the most of Xrumer. And if you don't know how to use Xrumer, it can also do a lot of harm to your site.

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Why are you even here if you don't think Black hatters are smarter?

I want to cheat too

I couldn't be bothered reading the whole thread cos every post is the same but it was funny cos I started on the WF and was getting pissed off with the same rhetoric they were telling me over and over which is exactly what you guys have been saying. 'Blackhatters profile backlinks are jun, these are the ones who will come back saying they failed and IM doesn't work in 6 months' etc.

Now I haven't used blackhat properly myself yet so can't attest to its effectiveness either but I know that my whitehat methods have been extremely slow going with very little reward (not that I'm after instant success but what they were telling me doesn't seem to have done sh!t).

It's funny I've heard the same arguments posed to me from both camps about the other- WHers say: don't listen to BHers their stuff doesn't work and those who say it does have a personal interest in saying so. I've heard BHers say the same about WHers. All I do know is I couldn't bear any more of those stupid empty 'feel good' posts on the WF general section where they posts a page of just tony robbins crap with no content then everyone praises them.

I'm undecided (only since I'm not experienced enough in either to say) but like someone else said I prefer these forums cos it isn't like a bunch of doogooder virgins. Even if these techniques were equal to the WH stuff I'd prefer hang out here cos darkside is more my kinda place to hang out .

It isn't just SEO imo but you get this same trend in most areas of life- as humans everyone manipulates one another but the conservatives are the ones who like to make elabourate delusions to cover of that fact whereas darksiders are happy to acknowledge and revel in the 'survival of the fittest' mentality (not saying all human nature is like that but most is from my exp, esp in business and social areas).

Warrior forum is a good place, they have good ideas (sometimes) ... I made over 10k with one silly idea from their threads ...But yes, they're hippocrates as in their Ads section there are plenty of sellers selling xrumer blasts. Also I must admit they sell it for WAY cheaper than BHW sellers (10-12 bucks for 7-10k blasts) and do a way better job.

m0nster said:

so true lmao. i was talking with some ppl at this clickbank masters confrence and they were on WF and all against xrumer and shit. NOOBS

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They are liars. Those guys preach "no blackhat automation" in the open but a lot of them use
that kind of awesome software behind closed doors.
Don't you have to be crazy to not automate all this stuff?

In a "whitehat environment" like WF the more people/noobs that can get scared of
using this software the better for the real money makers.

newmoney said:

They are liars. Those guys preach "no blackhat automation" in the open but a lot of them use
that kind of awesome software behind closed doors.
Don't you have to be crazy to not automate all this stuff?

In a "whitehat environment" like WF the more people/noobs that can get scared of
using this software the better for the real money makers.

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Maybe this is exactly why they do it to create a 'drip feed' system

but from their evangelical/do gooder type tones of most of them I doubt this and really they are face value dweebs.

Ranko Jones said:

but from their evangelical/do gooder type tones of most of them I doubt this and really they are face value dweebs.

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heh! i reckon :hahaha:

i used to try keep everything quite white hat, and i had a few semi successful sites using only white hat methods

then I woke up

blackhat is not at all evil, its just about automation and making bullshit tasks easier. I mean manually backlinking? WTF?? that died in like 2001.

Why would I waste hours and hours posting "real" comments. It's the exact same thing as automating it, the only difference is that you don't have to actually do anything if you automate it?

I remember in my white hat days struggling to get like 200 links, by posting on blogs and whatnot. Now it's like, $40, thousands of backlinks, 2 minutes, boom! done

The way I see it is that 90% of websites fail, and make no money. So why drag the process out by wasting time of these if only 1 out of 10 will make even a little cash. Just speed the process up. I can work on 10 sites at a time, SEO and everything thanks to the tools and knowledge I have gained from this website

Downsin said:

I want to cheat too

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Go for it

Blackhat is still very good. You just need to know how to always cover whatever footprint. You dont just need to rush into it because you see others doing that. You need to plan your work and think what you can do differently to work to your advantage.

To me the term "SEO" is Blackhat since it's all about manipulating the SERP's for site x to be more relevant then site y even though site y actually is far more relevant.

I disagree with a lot of their opinions but one thing is for sure quality blog comments are way way better than scrapebox.

And again it all depends on how you use your tools if you use xrumer to make forum profiles only you are not a blackhatter you are just dumb.

At the end of the day all what matters is how you use your tools and knowledge!

White Hatters and Black Hatters, we should all come together and hat as one!

Everything is a game, black or white. need to learn all the tricks in the deck if you want to win the game.

Yea, why not point out that if they are TRYING to rank higher, through link building or anything else, they are using black hat techniques. A white hat site has proper keywords, good articles, ext.. then they leave the site sit for a year or two for it to rank.

Grey Hat is the way to go, all the benefits of white hat with a little boost to make immediate and long term money.

White hat grey hat black hat wizard hat, it doesn't matter. It's all an end to a means. Funny thing is alot people thrashin the white hatters in this thread probably don't know jack shit about SEO and think that because they "black hat", they're SEO gods. Sorry guys, I've seen my fair share of total black hat retards to understand that

blackhat =/= better SEO

Black Hat, Grey Hat, White Hat, Straw Hat, Bowler Hat, Mad Hatter? What's the difference. All have methods, tools, systems, sleight-of-hand that should be used for banking. Anyone who says different is kidding themselves. I started at WF and graduated to BHW and am glad I did. BHW rocks!