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Which hat to chose?

Discussion in 'White Hat SEO' started by rick diculous, Jul 6, 2010.

  1. rick diculous

    rick diculous Registered Member

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    I'm knid of a SEO noob. Should I wait to get more experience in this section before staring to read the black one?

    Or, is it ok to read a little bit of both ?
     
  2. Atlusphere

    Atlusphere BANNED BANNED

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    Black = Short term (usually) White = Long term (usually).

    Choose wisely, but who's to say you can't try a little of both ;)
     
  3. momopo

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    Why not dabble in white, gray, and black?

    See which one you like
     
  4. tridgeroy

    tridgeroy Junior Member

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    Take a look at all of the different methods, and then you can decide the best way to go forward.
     
  5. Nugget16

    Nugget16 Registered Member

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    Here is a checklist for you:

    1. If you have an ethical code, does action X violate it? How significant is this violation?
    2. Is it against the terms of service of something? If so, what is the probability of you getting negatively impacted, and how significant is that negative?
    3. What are the benefits you stand to gain.
    4. If the benefit is positive, determine the benefit of the best white hat method. Calculate the difference between them. If white hat is better, use it. If black or gray hat is better, determine a standard for yourself.

    For instance, assuming I'm a real-life criminal, I could decide to work for $10 helping unload a truck. The annoyance of doing that will make it worth less, but assume it's worth $8 after that. I can also steal from an elderly women who I know always brings $10 to the store. This will give me a value of $12 because I like stealing.

    Seems like I should steal if the risk of getting caught is low. However, I'm still choosing to take a method with some risk for $2.00. That isn't worth the risk to me. Since black hat can involve risks, you're essentially "stacking" the deck against yourself. This is why many people favor white hat.

    The trick is to keep your black hat organized in the right sort of way. Once you close a project, it shouldn't be able to come back to haunt you. You keep your risk percentage consistently low, and you engage in low-risk (banned accounts causing loss of profit) in exchange for a chance at high profit. This is generally a waste of time, which is why you do it 1000 times, etc.

    That's somewhat of an example of how you should analyze things. Psychology and economics seem to suggest we are intrinsically bad at this sort of thing. I only deal with real content marketed in ways intended to bring actual visitors. The way I gain these actual visitors is questionable, but I'm not going to spend 5 hours doing something I can do in 5 minutes just because Google doesn't like it. I suppose they want real content to become popular based on merit, but the rich can already buy real people to market their sites. It's more like someone doesn't want the average person being able to compete with big business. A couple hundred dollars gets you what would otherwise take thousands of paid employees. And something tells me companies are using the same software to cut costs.

    I've always been a little off-center when it comes to traditional norms. If something wastes my time, I don't like it. I mean when you live in an ordered society where 99% of people don't steal, I'll criticize the thief. But when 99% of people are stealing, I'll be changing my strategy. Game theory supports bending the rules in many situations. Black hat arguably does the internet a service by strengthening methods of protecting against it. The ideal is to have a complex and advanced system immune to cheats. That's actual one of the reasons lawyers are defending criminals that they know are guilty. If the law can let that person go free, it needs to be shown to fix it - because we all know someone will be more than willing to defend similar people in the future.
     
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  6. HoNeYBiRD

    HoNeYBiRD Jr. VIP Jr. VIP

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    black ftw, this color suits a gentleman the best, white is for pimps, pussies & pleasure-delayers :D

    oh you're talkin about SEO, silly me....hmmm, well....then also the black is the recommended color here :), see the name of the forum?!
     
  7. aReJay

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    Personally I like the Green and Blue hats.

    Think New-Think Big.

    -aReJay
     
  8. Sprouts

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    As someone mentioned earlier, black for short term, white for long term.

    Blackhat means you'll be constantly need to be thinking of new ideas and acting on them but white involves a lot of maintaining.

    Black Hat is the way forward for me. ;D
     
  9. elgato49

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    I chose both. Why do you have to pick one? Plus it depends on your website as well. For my sites, i just care about ranking not reputation so i went with blackhat+whitehat. And blackhat doesn't necessarily means short term ranking, you can improve your serp fast and maintain it in a long term as long as you do it the right way not by blasting 10,000 forum posts with xrumer just because it's blackhat. Blackhat means you have to be smart too.

    BHW rocks!:high5:
     
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  10. OnlineGodfather

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    Maybe start with the black to make some money fast and then white but the best thing is to do both.
     
  11. ryodimas

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    It all starts with learning, when just starting out we would be inclined to walk in accordance with guidance. But when we have done many things and the results are unexpected coming, We will look for alternatives that are able to realize our dream. At this time we will use the black one
     
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    I liked the thread title. It reminded me of The Matrix. Which pill do you want? I would suggest BH once you get some auto stuff setup and then switch over to white to keep it going.
     
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    Learn it all then choose what is best for your specific projects
     
  14. webbom

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    If you are a noob then go with white hat. Black hat can bring a lot of money but you really need to know what you are doing to be profitable.
     
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    bitingsquirrel Newbie

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    Trying anything that makes sense in my opinion. Whatever brings you money is the direction you should go. But remember white hat is how you'll make money long term.
     
  16. champbronc2

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    Go for the black hat for the quick money :p
     
  17. jheyslow

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    Try all the hats, And decide after which hat gives you money the most. But myself I prefer BlackHat.
     
  18. tacopalypse

    tacopalypse Executive VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    as a newbie i started with white & gray, because i knew i didn't have the necessary IM experience to cover all my bases with bh in order to not get my ass banned. but now i'm starting to look into bh more seriously. :)
     
  19. bigwood

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    put on your black hat kid