Which CMS should i learn ? Joomla or Drupal

Joomla is THE BEST. There are many great components, modules, plugins and templates. All 3rd party templates also included with quick start that helps you build websites fast and easy. You just change several things by adding extensions. I have developed many website with Joomla and they are keep improving and easy to be customized.
 
I have used joomla and love it. I have not used drupal so I can't comment on that but jomla has tons of stuff for it.
 
Aren't there big security issues with these open source programs? I have read that they have data base security issues. I also read that they are not that scaleable. This info comes from searches on google for joomla vs drupal vs pearl.
 
Aren't there big security issues with these open source programs? I have read that they have data base security issues. I also read that they are not that scaleable. This info comes from searches on google for joomla vs drupal vs pearl.

with most open source main projects like joomla and drupal you will find they are pretty much on top of security vulnerabilities, problem really lies with badly written third party apps/addons

in most instances where i have had issues with security its because ive been lazy and not updated my script to the latest issue, there are several scripts available that in most cases will enhance your security for joomla and block potential threats...

the seo plugin sh404sef also has a beta development that works with the honeypot project that prevents bad ips from attacking your site as well as additional code to prevent hacking attacks...

i certainly wouldnt let that put you off using an open source cms... it doesnt put a lot of big corporate companies from using them...

the new version of both drupal and joomla are very scalable, i have only read about how scalable drupal is but have hands on experience of what few limitations joomla has
 
wow my thread got quiet long...

i will choose Joomla i think...want to start a bigger Website and Wordpress which i have many small Sites doesnt offer everything i want for deeper Kategorys and such...

thanks for pointing me in the right direction...
 
good luck to you, one more post: ;)

Drupal vs. Joomla: a frank comparison from an IBM consultant
POSTED FEBRUARY 24TH, 2009 BY STEPH


We were very fortunate recently to have a consultant from IBM purchase one of our Drupal themes for a personal project. Before purchasing the theme, we discussed a bit about Joomla and Drupal, focusing mostly on the difference between where functionality and eye candy lies in Drupal vs. Joomla.

I say fortunate because after this consultant evaluated the two CMSes, I received an email with a fascinating and detailed comparison of these early experiences with Drupal and Joomla. I was allowed to post this (anonymously) here to our blog so the community(ies) at large can benefit from this great write-up.

I won't interject too much of my own thoughts here, other than that a) I agree with just about everything being said here, and b) the good news is that a ton of this stuff is a strong focus for Drupal 7. I see the Drupal community also putting more effort into the many approaches currently being worked on for pre-configuring/populating a site (Installation profiles, Patterns, Spaces, Drush, etc).

Edit: we're getting some very interesting comments from Joomla users as well, make sure you read the comments!

The full email follows below

FYI, here are my observations on Drupal after about 40-50 hours with the tool (I have experience with Joomla, DotNetNuke, and of course our solution at IBM: Websphere Portal, WCM, and Portlet Factory). I plan to evaluate for another few days, before making a decision on whether to implement using Joomla or Drupal. The hosting costs and portlet dev cost for Websphere Portal are too high, or I'd be using an IBM solution.

Drupal vs. Joomla

Site Building
- Flexibility & Power: Drupal looks significantly more powerful — much more flexible. Looks like Views, CCK, Panels give Drupal a huge advantage over Joomla. You simply can't get that flexibility with Joomla. Joomla developers design around their own paradigm with very little flexibility. You can get up and running much quicker with Joomla, but you will hit the wall sooner or later.

Performance
- In my initial tests, Drupal blows away Joomla. With the new version of Joomla, the good template makers junk them up with gee-whiz gadgets that are not suitable for the enterprise

Learning Curve
- Joomla is far easier to get up and running. Even with all the free videos, blogs, etc, Drupal is still a lot more challenging. Big oppty for comprehensive business business/enterprise book/education

Templates
Joomla wins by a huge margin. For example, companies like Joomlart, Joomlashack do a good job. Drupal theme companies are simply horrific. What's needed is a Template strategy that emulates the requirements for the top web sites in the country and, bundles modules, blocks etc. that work out-of-the-box to give businesses a head-start. For example, with our Websphere Portal product, we deliver incredible Themes/Skins that are rock solid and professional with no fuss or muss. I think you guys have a good stated strategy, but you're missing a big oppty to deliver what enterprises really need.

Your templates are the best I've seen, but, an enterprise that is just getting started with Drupal will still have a huge ramp to climb to get a News site, mag site, etc. to look good. Joomlart delivers their Teline II template with a special install that gives you all the sample data, all the components in place — everything in place.

Finally, the biggest problem with Drupal templates is that the developers completely miss one of the key elements that any evaluator looks at: the menu system. If you don't have a professional navigation system on your web site, you're perceived as a low quality site. The other top items: Layout, Graphics, speed are also critical, and Drupal developers don't seem to care. Exception:

Code developers
Based on my limited review, it looks Drupal coders are much more professional, skilled, disciplined. Good Joomla coders are rare. Must have something to due with the Drupal culture. I'm sure the Joomla devs are just as capable, they just don't institute the same rigor

Admin
Drupal's backend admin functionality is bad. The front end, backend separation is tenuous and confusing. Joomla is far better.

Content Management
- Drupal's taxonomy system is excellent. Joomla's "straight-jacket" approach (Content items confined to one Section/Category) is poor. Joomla's admin console is much easier to organize, find content. Joomla's WYSIWYGPro is better than the options available for Drupal.

Content Presentation
- Drupal's tools are very, very good — they don't come close to the built-in power of IBM tools — but they're light years better than Joomla. I like CCK, Views, but wonder why they aren't part of the code base. Seems odd. WIth Joomla, you have to acquire components that will meet 60-80% of your needs. For example, iJoomla has a tremendous news component, but it will never meet the capabilities of Drupal's CCK, Views, etc.

Multitier Deployment
I'm shocked that there are no good tutorials, articles, education on the proper method for implementing Dev, Test, Staging, Dev environments. Drupal and Joomla communities both suffer from this. Also, basic backup and restore is not addressed adequately. The Drupal community is clueless on this. Joomla at least has two good solutions. If I decide to recommend Drupal for a production site, I'l recommend use Xcloner from Joomlaplug — this product will work with Drupal and does backup and restore of the site and the SQL db.

Summary to Date

- Use Joomla if you want to get nice looking site up quickly and can deal with a slower system, rigid content categorization and limited design/configuration options.
- Use Drupal if you want high performance, scalability, good content management and significant design flexibility. But, be prepared to spend a lot of time/money to get the site to look professional.

Code:
http://www.topnotchthemes.com/blog/090224/drupal-vs-joomla-frank-comparison-ibm-consultant
 
i have to laugh at the summary...

- Use Joomla if you want to get nice looking site up quickly and can deal with a slower system, rigid content categorization and limited design/configuration options.
- Use Drupal if you want high performance, scalability, good content management and significant design flexibility. But, be prepared to spend a lot of time/money to get the site to look professional.

in response:

joomla slower.... slower than what and by how much millionths of a second? and based on what benchmarks and under what configuration?

joomla certainly does not have limited design and configuration options, its not that tough to code a template, once you understand how to do that you will see very few design and configuration limitations...

trust me on this next statement, i have 1000's of hours developing and working with joomla, and joomla main developers... i even did a joomla/seo presentation at a conference alongside the original founder and then lead developer of joomla last year, so i would say yes i am biased but i also have a very good idea of what i am talking about when it comes to joomla...

My summary would be:
"Use Joomla if you want high performance, scalability, good content management and significant design flexibility. And, be prepared to NOT spend a lot of time/money to get the site looking professional!"

other than that if your really a noob when it comes to coding/scripts/etc i believe wordpress is good place to start well until i can put some great joomla tutorials together! :)
 
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Speaking from a spammers point of view, Drupal is wide open.. I'll put it this way, when I'm looking for a place to spam my links, I look for a Drupal site. So if you dont want to get spammed up something fierce, go for an alternative CMS.
 
I used to use Joomla for everything. I also have used Drupal before. Lately everything I've been doing has used WP. For what I need, it's perfect.

Unless you have some special requirements, I would stick with WP first, and use Joomla for everything else.
 
i use joomla + Windows live writer + mass content
and currently working on automation in joomla
ukesuba an i have little joomla seo tips
i have used the joomla sef componet but it never work on hostgator
 
really? what makes drupal wide open?

Speaking from a spammers point of view, Drupal is wide open.. I'll put it this way, when I'm looking for a place to spam my links, I look for a Drupal site. So if you dont want to get spammed up something fierce, go for an alternative CMS.
 
joomla slower.... slower than what and by how much millionths of a second? and based on what benchmarks and under what configuration?

damned if i know, this is the analysis of an ibm developer that was emailing a theming company. he wrote of his experiences and made comparisons. the company published his letter on their blog for their readers to learn and discuss. please refer your questions to that site.


joomla certainly does not have limited design and configuration options, its not that tough to code a template, once you understand how to do that you will see very few design and configuration limitations...

i do believe the writer was commenting on drupal's design limitations, not joomla's.


trust me on this next statement, i have 1000's of hours developing and working with joomla, and joomla main developers... i even did a joomla/seo presentation at a conference alongside the original founder and then lead developer of joomla last year, so i would say yes i am biased but i also have a very good idea of what i am talking about when it comes to joomla...

long time ago now(where does the time go! :eek:) after trying out 3 or 4, i looked over the cms and decided on drupal. i stopped studying the other cms. so i couldnt tell you anything about joomla. when this thread question was started i posted articles from people who had worked extensively with BOTH, or in this ibm guy's case, an expert developer trying both out giving initial comparisons.


My summary would be:
"Use Joomla if you want high performance, scalability, good content management and significant design flexibility. And, be prepared to NOT spend a lot of time/money to get the site looking professional!"

joomla has a lot of fans! :)

other than that if your really a noob when it comes to coding/scripts/etc i believe wordpress is good place to start well until i can put some great joomla tutorials together! :)

it depends on what-you-want-to-DO! wordpress is the best single or multiuser blog script there is, period. but you can do a community site with it. you dont compare a coupe with a bus!
 
soctal said:
damned if i know, this is the analysis of an ibm developer that was emailing a theming company. he wrote of his experiences and made comparisons. the company published his letter on their blog for their readers to learn and discuss. please refer your questions to that site.

@soctal - i was talking in reference to the article not personally asking you some of these questions! i had a feeling you might take it that way lol :)

like you said it depends what you want to do... i agree with you from feedback that wordpress seems like a good starting point, not used it thoroughly enough to see all its limitations, however if you think your site may grow to be more complex then a relatively basic somewhat static website with more dynamic and interactive components then go joomla may save you a lot of time/money in the long run :)
 
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Drupal = more customisable, more flexible, and better coded. If you are a programmer then definitely consider drupal before joomla.

Joomla = much easier to get used to. learning curve is lower. lots and lots of themes and plugins to it's pretty flexible if you're willing to accept that it can do something - but it probably won't do it the way you want it to. It's a bit of a beast at times.

If you're not a programmer, want to get started fast, then joomla's the clear winner.
If you want more flexibility, value performance, and are willing to put more time into getting it setup, then drupal is your choice.

That's a basic overview IMO. Depending on your SPECIFIC needs one may be better than the other - but you'll have to figure that out for yourself or pay a web dev company to figure it out for you. :)
 
Drupal or Joomla? Never ending battle between better or worst.
Its up there with Windows vs Apple, Apple vs Android, WHT vs BHT. Pacquiao vs Mayweather, Life vs death (in Supernatural TV series, Death/Ripper sez' he will rip GOD someday :eek: )

I also search about it years back when i was choosing the right CMS for me.
Anyway heres something that stayed in my head..

(HARD) If you think your site/company is for personal, membership perhaps... and not planning to need a gazzilion employess to run the site in the future and also not remaking the site into a different animal.. so to speak., JOOMLA is the best for you

(HARDER) If you plan or think your company will be like a really BIG Company someday like BMW, Walt Disney, Warner Bros. records etc. in the future, and gonna need employees to run the site (and maybe google will assist you), better be with DRUPAL.

(EASIEST) But if you just want to worry about how to make money more and less worrying about how your website works (I mean to be really a master of the CMS your working on), try WORDPRESS.. i do and a hundred successful marketers would agree too.

my 50 cents
 
I use Joomla, i love it, very high flexibility, and as i was read (im forget the link) that some drupal programmers have long moved to joomla
 
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