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Where To Find The Best CopyWriters????

Discussion in 'Copywriting & Sales Persuasion' started by IndustryBPB, Feb 15, 2013.

  1. IndustryBPB

    IndustryBPB Newbie

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    Hello all!

    I am looking for some kick ass copywriters!

    Serious Copy Kings who can prove conversions and sales form their super slick copy!

    Only problem is I don't know where to find these dragon slayers!?!?!

    If you've had a great experience, know where to find them, or if you are one of these hero's please HIT ME UP!

    Thanks

    BPB
     
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  2. BacklinksBandit

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    Hi there!

    Well, instead of tooting my own horn, I'll let you decide for yourself.

    I'm not sure on the policy for posting links, so I'll refrain from that.

    Due to the length of my sales letter, I can only post tiny portions of it here (the letter is huge). To read it in it's entirety, you'll have to pop over and have a read yourself.

    I'm sure you'll like what you see.

    If you'd like a chat to take this further, and you'd like to give me a call (I'm based in England, UK) simply drop me a PM and I'll get back to you with my number.


    Cheers,
    Chris


    *below is one of the postscripts taken from my sales letter which sells Auto-Approve Blog List memberships

    P.P.P.S. You've only got one chance to get it right when it comes to your online reputation, and with us, you know you'll be creating only the very best, high authority backlinks that will drive the most SERP-jumping juice back to your website. After all, you're only here to increase your rankings because you're eager to start getting more exposure in the search engines. More exposure means more click-throughs. More click-throughs equals more sales. If you walk away from here today, and purchase your auto-approve and SEO lists from an "objectionable" source, and you end up firing your backlink at an inappropriate (for want of a better term) blog which happens to cause your rankings (and traffic!) to drop -- then you'll only have yourself to blame. I wouldn't take my chances if I were you...
     
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  3. Kintoups

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    You could try iWriter and Textbroker and select some premium content, you might get some good people out of there and then stick with them. You can also try oDesk or eLance and check through people's portfolios and experience.
     
  4. stevejohns

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    Textbroker... period...
     
  5. Duffers5000

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    Thats all good sales talk but you need to trim that back to the absolute basics.

    You are trying to make too many points, hence you are over selling. You need to write a first draft and decide on the main points you want to make then trim out any fat until you have a stark and brutal sales letter.

    Remember you are drawing a picture for your client with your words and you cannot afford to drop any negativity in there. Even if its directed at an external source it rebounds back on to you.

    You can pm me if you want any help. By the way Im not being over critical..you can write good pow pow copy but sometimes its whats unsaid that makes your main points shine.



     
  6. BacklinksBandit

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    Hi there!
    Well, I certainly appreciate your viewpoint and by no means I am an "expert" or claim to be. It is a little unfair to base your whole judgement on one tiny paragraph. I do love the constructive criticism though. I wouldn't be where I am today if it wasn't for years of trial and error, split-testing etc. Obviously I couldn't post my link, so if you'd like, feel free to check out the intro to my full sales letter.


    This should give you a better "first impression" than the P.S. I attached below.You can copy & paste any part of it into Google and that will reveal my web address to you.




    Let's get straight to the point...


    We all want an endless supply of high authority backlinks on the cheap, but building auto-approve lists just plain SUCKS!


    Anybody who tells you that they enjoy it, is either a pathological liar... or an utter freak of nature. Believe me, I hate it just as much as you do (hence the team of staff who do it for me). There are plenty of things I'd rather be doing with my time...


    You'll Never Again Suffer Through the Pain and Hassle
    of Trying to Put Together Another Auto-Approve List Yourself



    Let's face it:


    When the sun is shining and the weather outside is perfect for a BBQ or picnic.. when the lads call you up and tell you to hurry down the park for a game of football or tennis... when your sweetie is free for the night and "suggests" you take her out to the movies or dinner (and maybe a little romance after)...


    Is THAT the time you want to be chained to your desk, desperately trying to put together an auto-approve list?


    I'm sure like most people, you'd rather be doing anything BUT that...


    Nowadays, Things that Take Time and Effort are Out of Style


    Look around you... today's world is one of instant gratification! We just don't like waiting for anything. People are used to getting everything they want, right when they want it. Everything has to be done right NOW.


    But if you've been around for any length of time, you'll know that creating an effective auto-approve list is far from "instant." You can't just snap your fingers and expect it done... it's a dreadfully SLOW and frustrating process.


    It can easily take a few days of hair pulling (we're talking hundreds of hours of scraping here) before you've gathered enough raw blogs (in the hundreds of millions) to make the kind of list that would be worth your time commenting on.


    You'll need to spend another day or two filtering, refining and processing your raw blogs into a solid, concentrated list. Then, come next week, to keep your backlink profile consistent, you'll have to repeat the whole process all over again...


    Haven't You've Got More Important Tasks to Spend Your Time On? Why Stress Yourself Out Searching for Auto-Approve Blogs When All the 'Work' Has Already Been DONE For You... Like Clockwork, Every Week


    It's no secret: A constant supply of high quality and fresh auto-approve lists is all you need to take full control of your own SEO and conquer your link building, overnight!


    Up until now, THAT has been the one "tiny" little stumbling block getting in your way. Today, we're karate kicking it OUT of your way... once and for all.


    From now on, you'll never have to pay some other "guru" to get your website the backlinks it needs. With our high authority auto-approve and SEO lists, you can kiss goodbye to the middle man and pocket a FORTUNE in savings!


    The Service I'm About to Offer You Lets You Skip the Daunting Task of Finding These Blogs Yourself... Instantly Putting MORE Dollars Back in Your Wallet and MORE Hours Back in Your Day, Starting TODAY!


    The letter doesn't stop here (barely even got started) however that should give you a good idea of my writing abilities, I think.
     
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  7. Duffers5000

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    Indeed you are correct. And I mean no offence. Its just I have several years of industry experience and I can give you some pointers.

    First off let me say, the above paragraph is well written and sales driven but heres the problem.

    You are only trying to say one thing " I can supply you high quality auto approve lists"

    It took you a page to say that and you hammered the same point home multiple times.

    Your average internet user will spend half a second glancing at a sales page. Your job is to hammer the main point into their nuggets in as little space as possible. Hence why I suggest the editing.

    Like I say you are a good writer and I hope you dont mind some pointers.
     
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  8. _swes_

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    Hey IndustryBPD.

    Glad you realized you needed a copywriter to write converting copy. I have 3 years of experience copywriting,working in a couple of specific niches(IM, weight loss,technology) I have a proven track record of getting results for my clients, and for my own personal products, and I know for a fact that I am fully capable of helping you in your particular niche.

    I have a couple of hand picked clients that I work with on a regular basis, so if you think you have a good product/or offer that will interest me, feel free to drop me a pm, and we can talk.
     
  9. BacklinksBandit

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    Thank you. I appreciate your kind words and pointers. In fact, now that I know you have several years industry experience, I would be very happy to hear what you have to say about my headline. (Since my headline is in an image format, you will only be able to see this if you paste one of my paragraphs into Google -- and find my site that way).

    For most people who can't afford to spend $5K-20K per letter (for each product/service), the kind of fees I charge compared to the "big shots" is a blessing to hear.

    By all means, if you can afford to dig deep, there are much more seasoned and experienced direct-response copywriters out there, as I'm sure you'll know.

    Cheers,
    Chris
     
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  10. _swes_

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    I'd like to suggest that you start structuring your copy like a silo. So you start off with something simple that the reader could easily accomplish in the next hour or two after they purchase your service/product...then you silo it until you get to the big idea (spend time with your friends/family)

    Then you silo it some more. (Use that extra free time to make some more money)...then you keep going until you reach a point where they think your product is the starting point of becoming successful.

    As for your headline:

    It's too normal, actually, and you didn't spend enough time thinking about it. Although it talks about what the reader is going to get, it doesn't have all the "mystery" that makes me want to read the next line, etc. If I were you, I'd just go with a customer testimonial snippet. It would be 1000% better than the current headline you have.

     
  11. BacklinksBandit

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    SWES, I appreciate your pointers however having saw your pitch below, I'm a little skeptical about your reasons for saying what you said. Also "1000% better" is your perspective. I highly doubt putting a testimonial above the fold will increase my conversion rates by that much. Maybe slightly yes, but 10x - certainly not.

    But anyway, I'd love to have a gander at your work.
    You seem (give off the impression) like someone who has been in this game a lot longer than the 8 years I have been in it!

    Feel free to post excerpts for everyone to see and pick apart as they see fit.
    I'm sure I and others would have a few friendly pointers to give you too!

    Cheers,
    Chris
     
  12. BacklinksBandit

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    Also earlier in the thread I mentioned "For most people who can't afford to spend $5K-20K per letter (for each product/service), the kind of fees I charge compared to the "big shots" is a blessing to hear. By all means, if you can afford to dig deep, there are much more seasoned and experienced direct-response copywriters out there, as I'm sure you'll know."

    Perhaps you are one of those more seasoned writers.
    If so, I would love to take a look at your work.
    Feel free to PM me with links!

    Cheers,
    Chris.
     
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  13. _swes_

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    Worked on this for a month. (It's the beginning of a sales page) I'm sure it needs improvement though.
    __________________________________________________________

    30,000 Other People Are Doing The Exact Same Thing And

    Google Isn't Budging...Except That One Motivated Marketer...

    When 30,000 other marketers say SEO is dead...

    He laughs.

    Because he's giving Google all the authority backlinks it wants...and he's being rewarded with stable, long term rankings.

    When he gets into a new niche...

    He dominates it. Fast.

    Competition...

    Nonexistent

    Google knows his websites are backed with authority backlinks, so he doesn't have to worry about stupid link building penalties.

    He has hundreds of authority backlinks pointing directlyto his money site, and he's spending a lot less money compared to thecompetition...

    Social Network High PR Authority Blogs, Cheaper Than
    A Box Of Diapers...And It Pays For Itself Within Weeks

    How much would you pay for an authority high PR blog pointing directly to your website?

    Your own niche...

    Your own content...

    Your own personal authority blog that stands by you when Google comes knocking. A huge billboard that has a quality seal allover it. Your own personal support system that has your back every time Google releases another update.

    Working for you 24/7. Month to month. Update to update.365 days per year.
     
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  14. BacklinksBandit

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    Copywriting is like a fine art. Everyone wants to think their painting is the best. Nobody wants to admit that other painters are better, even when deep down, they know it to be the truth (especially when they have potential future clients to impress).

    Well, I'll be the first to admit (and happy to do so) that the techniques behind your headlines are better than mine -- but they are far from perfect (no offense intended).

    You definitely know what you are doing in that respect (using headlines to create that mystery/curiosity) but if I am honest, the rest would definitely have made me click away and visit a rival competitor or something.

    Your actual copy in between the headlines doesn't flow as well as it could and should. I totally understand what you are trying to achieve and the strategy behind it (and it certainly beats a lot of copy I have read online) but you don't "quite" hit the bulls-eye on it. Good effort though.

    In my opinion it needs revising, but I haven't read your full letter and this is only my opinion, so I'll let others chime in on this. I have to get back to writing now (I have spent far too long on BHW today!) so assuming I don't hear back from you again, I wish you all the best on your future endeavors.

    Cheers,
    Chris

    P.S. Your advice about taking a break from writing is very true: I find a couple weeks holiday from all kinds of writing (not just switching from one niche to another) then going back and editing what doesn't "flow" - works wonders. The minds picks up on things that would have been very difficult to sense without the renewed and refreshed perspective. I usually go abroad 5-6 times a year, and many times when I return, I find that I have "fallen out of love" with a draft that I originally thought was a "masterpiece." Thus is the nature of writing (any kind of writing).
     
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    Check your PM. I'll forward you the entire copy, and yeah, I def know it could use some improvement. Maybe when I decide to relaunch/rebrand the product, I'll go back, and revisit it. As for now, I'll just leave it as it is xD.

    Thanks for your suggestions.

     
  16. Casey101

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    If you're looking to meet copywriters in your city, you might try meetup. I know I've met several bad-ass copywriters though there, and the groups are usually very welcoming. Good luck!
     
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    I ordered a few articles from Texbroker website. The good thing is that you choose copywriter level and number of words you need and they give estimate right away.
     
  18. simplifycomplication

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    I have same need
     
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    Hmmm, I don't know that but I love copy-writing as I am passionate about buyer psychology and learn how to make them say yes to your proposition. Well, it is a work of science. I had a case study awhile back about this specific topic (copywriting) and I found that persuasive and eloquent words don't help your conversion anymore - there are some people who fall for that but most of them don't and the revenue drops.

    Must buyers look for someone to help them solve their problem(s) - not someone with the sole intention of selling something to them by using mere perfect words.

    I have been off subject for awhile now - I just wanted to help you choose the right copywriter(s) for you and I believe there are many out there.

    Good luck!