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Where do I go from here?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by lpsierra, Apr 11, 2013.

  1. lpsierra

    lpsierra Regular Member

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    Well I think my blog got penalized.
    I was ranking second page for my main keywords, now one of them is page 3 and the other one isn't even on the top 100 anymore.

    What I've been doing so far (all manual)
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    around 20 blog comments daily
    around 5-10 yahoo answers daily
    around 10 forum posts daily
    around 10 total bookmarks
    2 guest blogs
    5 web 2.0s
    around 30 wikis (GSA)
    Have a Facebook fanpage, pinterest page and a twitter page all linking to my site.

    Then for the web 2.0s I use GSA on them.

    I've been doing this for around a month and my site is around 4-5 months old.
    I checked out ahrefs and apparantly I have 9k backlinks??? I know that I didn't make that much. Around 2k max probably total.

    Right now, I'm thinking of ditching SEO or not focusing heavily on it but using some other way of getting traffic. I might do more guest blogging as well as focus on social networks, forums, blog comments etc.. but not focusing on building links.

    But I am a newbie at this stuff and I'm lost where to go from here which is why I'm asking.
     
  2. lpsierra

    lpsierra Regular Member

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    bump?
     
  3. *Hawke*

    *Hawke* Junior Member Premium Member

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    If you want a normal way to do promotion your website, that means you just use white hat ways.
    Write good contents and share to your social network, keep your social signal and ignore link building.
     
  4. RankGeek

    RankGeek Jr. VIP Jr. VIP

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    If your site got penalized, you would not move from Page 2 to 3. You would not figure at all!
    Since you mentioned the tasks you're performing for your site, the only thing I can say that that you should look to randomize the tasks and not do the same set each day.
    Spread the link juice around to multiple keywords, use multiple kinds of link building processes, and get an increased count on Social Signals - that should help. In case you need a better analysis, send in your keywords and URLs via PM. Cheers :)
     
  5. Glassy

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    If your pages are penalized and you are pretty sure it's to do with backlinks, just make dupe copies of them and canonize the old pages to the new pages and use a different linking strategy for the new pages. I would slow down on the blog commenting, wiki's and bookmarks, too many of those links can get you penalized these days.
     
  6. onlinehitman

    onlinehitman Junior Member Premium Member

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    Hi,

    There are three categories of free traffic -

    1> Keyword Traffic (80% - 90% of which comes from Google)
    2> Referral Traffic
    3> Direct Traffic

    While building a blog, it's important not to depend on just one specific type of traffic. If you don't know it yet, go and have a look at the GA data of your site to know the percentages for all these traffic types. If you think you are depending too much on keyword traffic (i.e. Google), you should start to focus on other types of traffic as well. Before it's too late!

    Thanks
     
  7. lpsierra

    lpsierra Regular Member

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    Thanks guys!
     
  8. Zul MOO

    Zul MOO Registered Member

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    Linkbuilding you need to consider Quality, Diversity, Velocity and Quantity..feel free to watch how I did that with MS..what ever submission tool you have the flow is just the same...
     
  9. TokenTim420

    TokenTim420 Newbie

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    These guys pretty much covered it! I just wanted to chime in and tell you that your site def. did NOT get penalized . Your site will constantly bounce around like that as you build links/ social , its normal.. Don't Worry :).

    I also wanted to say that if you decide not to ditch SEO entirely that I suggest, and this is my opinion keep in mind , if you have GSA then I would build some tier 1 web 2.0s MANUALLY with GOOD content pointing directly to your main blog ( Money Site) . What I mean by this is create a hubpage, squidoo lens, blogger.com blog, etc ( theres 100s of 2.0s ) with 2-3 articles on them directly relating to your money site linking back to your money site in each article. Create say, 10 web 2.0s ( depending on competition of your money sites keywords) , once again with high quality manual written content pointing to and relating to your money site ( important) . Then, create your Tier 2 with GSA create a campaign that builds lets say 20-30 links a day PR2-3 or higher to each of your web 2.0s(tier1).

    After that you can easily, within GSA ,create a campaign that builds say 50 PR1 or above links to your tier2 links.( This is your Tier 3).

    Make sure your anchor diversity is set pretty high in GSA and you control the number of links per day and also the diversity of the links.

    You could even, and this is a matter of opinion, and it all depends on your blog and its competition, your domains age, and where its currently ranking after you've finished the tiered structure I posted above, you may want to consider building 5-20 PR3 or PR4 or higher links per day with GSA directly to your money site. I am sure others will chime in telling you im completely wrong and not to listen to me if you want your site to stay in the top 100, but I do know one thing for a fact that this has proven to be successful for me more than just once.

    I am sorry if my grammar and everything kinda just ran together and it was hard to comprehend or understand but its really late and i've had a long ass day...

    To SIMPLIFY - Moneysite ||||TIER 1--web 2.0s with manually written high quality content linking back to Moneysite|||| TIER 2--- 20-30 PR 2-3 or ABOVE links a day to each of your Tier 1 Web 2.0s ||||||||||| Tier 3 ---- 40-50 Links per day PR1-2 Or Above to each of your Tier 2 Links |||| And then I also suggested, that optionally, you could go ahead and build some links directly to your money site with GSA also, but if you decide to do that I wouldn't build more than 5-10 a day and make sure they are PR4 or above !!

    Also, if you decide to do something like what I've suggested, then make sure you keep it constant. Don't build 10 links one day and 100 the next then 0 for the next 3 days. Keep it consistent, regardless of if your site dances around like its currently doing. Keep it consistent and if you acquire good quality targeted links eventually your site will settle ranked much higher than previous.

    Also, on links pointing directly to your money site, I would suggest you don't use forum links, guestbook links, image content sites, as these are sort of low quality links. Focus more on article sites, social networks, video sites, and bookmarks. Also I would suggest you use generic text at 15-20%. Remember , I would suggest only letting GSA acquire 5-20 Verified PR4 or above links per 1444 minutes directly to your money site if you opt to have it build any links directly to it. I would also suggest you do not let it post to sites with more than 10 OBL ( Out bound links)

    For the links going directly to your Tier 1, which once again is your high quality manually written content directly relating to your money site, you want to be high quality also. I would suggest building 30-50 verified PR2-3 or above links per 1444 minutes to each of your web2.0s. For this tier you still do not want to use image comment sites or guestbook links as these sites tend to be spammed to hell. Forum sites are okay to use on this tier but I would use a low percentage of these. Set your generic text to 25-35% and don't post to sites with more than 20-30 OBLs.

    For the links that point to the sites that are linking to your web2.0s , your tier 3, you can be alittle more reckless at this stage . I would suggest anywhere from 80-150 links per day trying to keep it PR1 or above and your generic text set to 30-35%. At this point the OBL and the link types don't matter as much, well I mean, they still matter, its just your money site isn't going to be penalized for crappy links at this stage.

    Optional: You could also go one more Tier, to Tier 4, which would be links created to point to the sites that are pointing to the sites that point to your web 2.0s that of course, point to your money site. If you decide to go this far, then what your really doing at this stage is making sure all your links get indexed asap. For this, build lets just say, 300-500 links per day to PR0 or above sites with your generic text at 40%. OBLs do not matter.

    Also you may notice that I repeated myself a bunch, but that's just cause information I thought that would be useful kept coming into my head so I wrote er down :). You may also notice that my links per day at each tier changed slightly from each example, this is partly cause I am retarded, and partly because you could be successful building 10 links at the first tier, 20 at the second, 30 at the third, and 40 at the fourth; and you could also be successful at building 10 at the first, 50 at the second, 300 at the third, and 1000 at the fourth. It is my opinion that this , lets say formula, varies greatly from site to site, based on your money site's keyword's competition.


    No matter what you do, good luck, and keep things consistent. Don't give up, take action, and give it 1-3 months before expecting to see big changes. Keep focused and busy and you can count on one thing and thats your site climbing the rankings and reaching page 1.



    Tim



    p.s- In theory you could also see your site get sandboxed and penalized to shit but I reckon thats a risk everyone takes everyday around here using automated link building tools. The trick is to keep everything as natural as possible by remaining consistent, don't have 50 links one day, 5000 the next, and then 0 for the next week. Try not to throw around the red flags and you should be good :).


    I apologize for the giant wall of text.
     
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  10. gtree

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    OP you can follow TokenTim420 method and also take a look at the method shared by sathyavcs
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    http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/link-building/519041-method-simple-search-engine-optimization.html
     
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  11. TokenTim420

    TokenTim420 Newbie

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    Yeah, that guide is a lot more precise than mine. I would def. suggest you take a look at it! My guide is more aimed towards GSA only- since I saw where you mentioned you already have that! But , for sure take a look at what gtree linked you to! A lot of useful information there.

    Also, there's so many things I left out to actually setting up a successful GSA campaign, small things that matter oh so much. Such as making sure your titles, descriptions, etc for all your links are unique and well spun. Also, your anchor diversity and there's several other small details that are needed to be set up correctly for the big G not to throw you to the curb. Feel free to PM me and we could get together on Skype and make sure everything's ready to rock and roll.

    Also, take a look at GSA Sof's videos on setting up a successful GSA campaign for all of your fine tuning needs :) .

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3satyGrO6tU - Part 1 of 2
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quOII_Z265E - Part 2 of 2
     
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  12. dragonrage01

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    gsa and other similar programs should only be used for tier 2 especially if you are new to seo.
    I make money on google serps for a long time now and I have never successfully got consistent rankings with public softwares like gsa, senuke and etc.
     
  13. TokenTim420

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    While I agree with you somewhat, I think your wrong. I think pretty much everything can be accomplished within GSA provided you know how to do it. Another thing to note is how I suggested manually creating the Tier 1s with high quality content and using GSA to build Tiers 2 and 3.