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When will everyone see the REAL google?

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by bartosimpsonio, May 7, 2014.

  1. bartosimpsonio

    bartosimpsonio Jr. VIP Jr. VIP Premium Member

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    http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2014/5/6/nsa-chief-google.html

    News after news, story after story. When will everyone begin to realize that this is the *REAL* google that most SEO's already know: monopolistic, arrogant and a threat to freedoms on the WWW.

    Any of you who came into the IM game after google already existed you should know: before google you could link wherever you wanted to, they would not dictate where you can and cannot link to.

    Before google, the WWW was free, you could do whatever you wanted and you didn't have some fat ass corporate drone talking head on a video dictating what you should do *or else be banned from their 80% search traffic*.

    Wake up, world! We need an open and trustworthy search engine, not google's monopoly!
     
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    Easy to say but hard to do, unless you have some billions laying around I could barrow to kick start things? :)
     
  3. Reeshua

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    Let's switch to Bing?

    The problem here is that IMers (the people who know G's "real-identity) only represents a very minute percentage of people that use Google. So yeah, we're pretty insignificant. We can always use our IM skills to create awareness though.
     
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    People these days are so obsessed with wasting their time on facebook and google, that they can't even think about their privacy. Things change and just like everything, Google will also die. It's all about time.
     
  5. jazzc

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    Don't use their services if you don't like them. They don't owe you any traffic.
     
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    Before google most people relied on direct traffic and various referrals. Today's, with google, we have the same options. You can rely on google's traffic or you can get your traffic elsewhere. There's no monopoly and the www is as free as 10 years ago.
     
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    We're all here to make money.

    Now I personally don't give a rats ass where that money comes from and I highly doubt anybody else does either... If you don't like what the big G has to offer, then boycott them! You'll be able to make money someway else, right?

    It's really just like politics.. just go with the flow and: Improvise, Adapt and Overcome
     
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  8. bartosimpsonio

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    That's not the point, jazzc.

    When a company reaches monopoly status, there is no choice but to use their services. If you own a website and "choose" not to be in google's search, you're losing money and going broke. And if you make a living from IM, that's not an option, you have no choice.

    Google is abusing this monopoly power, and has been abusing it for a long time. They don't need to provide explanations why they ban people, because they're "free". They don't have to explain why they banned an adsense publisher.

    In the meantime all these news stories show a different google which, at some point, most people will realize is the real google: arrogant, monopolistic and a company that stifles innovation on the WWW.
     
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    I feel like everyone forgets Yahoo and AOL and MSN existed before Google, not to mention newsgroups and portals before publicly available search engines. It's not like Google suddenly spawned from thin air. It's not as if crawlers|spiders are new, or bad, or something we don't use every single day to our benefit.

    The current mistakes in public policy concerning overstepping bounds into people's personal lives are a result of ignorance, but these policies are not new, it's just that people are finally having to confront the elephant in the room that's been there since the first census was taken. Not all information gathering is bad, and much of it has lead to a better world.

    The good comes with the bad, and the bad can be dealt with. Imagine if we never established industry or new methods of energy. The way progress has been implemented may be poor, but that's not how things must be destined to continue.

    The past was not a saintly time, and the present-future are not hopeless. Things may not be "free" in the lawless sense, but that's not necessarily a bad thing.

    This is not a new world, it's the old world revealing itself and how things have always been. There will be a decision whether to continue that old world or go on a new path, but this isn't the end if you don't want it to be. Think positive. Live positive. Don't delude yourself with positive thinking, but let yourself be at peace.
     
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  10. salmanseo982

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    People will start using Bing Soon Enough. The Golden Time of Google is Falling apart Fast. and Soon Enough it will be Saturated Search Engine Like Yahoo. People want New THing.
     
  11. Techxan

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    You can still do all that stuff, just don't rely on Google for traffic.

    The reason people fuck with Google is because when you do it right, it shits money all over you.

    There are lots of different search engines, use them instead of Google if it bothers you that much.
     
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  12. UrsuAke

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    And you base that statement on what exactly?

    Yahoo is not saturated, yahoo was never popular to begin with.

    As long as google does what it does best, meaning providing quality results for the general user's queries, they don't have any worries at all.
     
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    It's all about power and money. The government wants more power, Google wants more money. Google can provide the government more power with intel, while the government lets Google abuse its monopoly power. Win-win situation, simple as that.
     
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    I've got a like / love situation with Google. I like it when it's ranking me top 3 for at least 50% of me and my clients sites and I Love it when it's ranking me top 3 for at least 75% of me and my clients sites.
     
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    The thing is, that when we for example create our own Search Engine, also get a problem, that's a human thing. We always want power and money, so our search engine will also be a huge monopolie thing. And the second thing is, nobody is able to create a Search Engine like Google, that is one reason they are big as hell..
     
  16. crazedspyker

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    Google is the reason I was able to quit my day job and work IM full time, so I can't really be mad at them. Personally, it doesn't bother me what the majority of regular users view google as, as long as it doesn't affect my income :D

    I try not to let how others think/feel affect how I think/feel.
     
  17. bartosimpsonio

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    This is a great comment, and I agree in most part.

    I don't advocate going back to the golden days, that's impossible and naive.

    But one thing must be acknowledge, back then, power was distributed among webmasters, various search engines, in general there were various players, google would respect webmasters and ask for their participation(remember when matt cutts was "googleguy"?).

    Now it's no longer like that. We have one guy, making videos, telling everyone how they should link to other sites, and what links are good, what links are bad....and nobody seems to question the obvious: shouldn't google work on the WWW's links as they come, and not try to force the links to their advantage??? Why can google do this? Because it's a monopoly. Google is not a church, Google is a publicly traded corporation that does everything in its power to bring cash to shareholders.

    Google is a search monopoly that is easy to break : the competitors are one click away.

    We just need to raise more awareness about these issues. What IM'ers see as obvious is not obvious to average folks. We know they track us, we know analytics is all over, we know adsense is all over, we know google is watching everything, but an elderly relative of mine uses google chrome and did not know they were watching every URL the darn thing accessed. When I told him, he was mad and now uses opera.

    The WWW is the single greatest invention since engines sparked the industrial revolution, and now one company is spying all over the place, controlling everything, and a talking head is telling people how to produce content.

    That's not right, that's the anti-WWW in fact. Content should be free, no single engine should control so much WWW traffic and overall we need an alternative to Google. That's all I know. And no, I don't have a solution yet....but there'll be one.
     
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    I'd love not to rely on them, but as you said yourself, it's a LOT of traffic, a professional simply cannot ignore google, it's impossible. Right now our relationship to google is that of employer/employee. They do whatever they want to us, and we must shut up or not get paid. I'm simply tired of Google, I own my own business so I don't have a boss in Google.

    Military robots, self driving cars(wtf? a car that goes where google wants??? fuck that), spy glasses, car tracking software(waze), people spying(plus), spy email(all the spy scandals involving gmail), spy whatever(who knows what else snowden has for us).....Google IS A FUCKING ORWELLIAN NIGHTMARE.
     
  19. Techxan

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    I have to disagree. It is very easy to go to paid traffic only.
     
  20. ikilledkenny

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    tl;dr comments

    you don't have to rely on google, many successful *marketers* balling hard without google. marketers highlighted because most people here think internet marketing=seo and/or google and work like robots trying to hit #1. plenty of traffic out there.

    Google can be as arrogant as they want, i don't give a fuck. i'll keep using most of their services because they rock. i love chrome (well to be fair i'm using Iron/Epic but these are basically chrome), gmail, youtube, maps, images, news etc.

    they serve me, i don't serve them bro.