When will Covid go extinct?

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You have a case, where a big industry "big tobacco" has a clear history of blatant manipulation of the public through paying off the medical community in order to profit. This was 80 years ago.

Today, you have an industry, "big pharma".

And people think it's beyond them to control the public perception and promote fear, inflate figures in order to get everyone vaccinated. What about "new variants" popping up. Children now being forced to vaccinate. In the future we will see MANY new variants and mandatory top-up vaccinations.

Wait and see.

And 100 years from now, people will look back at it how we now look(although many have forgotten) at how big tobacco manipulated the public on a mass scale.

But in 100 years, people will still probably be getting manipulated, because human beings for the most part are not a clever species.

The US army has a minimum IQ requirement of 81. It is *illegal* to enlist someone below that. They prefer 93+.

Do you know much they've invested in trying to find positions for everyone and drive enlistments? With all their systems and investment they can't find anything useful for a sub IQ 81 person to do.

Do you know what % of the population has an IQ under 85?

It's about 16%

Think about that for a moment.

16% of the population are so intellectually disabled(to try to be polite. People have qualities beyond intelligence, but intelligence is very important, especially when it comes to discerning truth from falsehood)

Under 81, I'm not sure, but it's around 10-11%
so 1 in 10 people are incapable of functioning in a job in modern society. The army can't find a role for them and it NEEDS people.

Do you think those 16% under 85 are going to be able to discern truth or just be easily manipulated? A simple newspaper article could just say anything and they'll believe it. Simple repetition is all you need to convince people at this level of something.

The army prefers 93+ IQ. An IQ of 92 puts you in the 29.69th percentile. That means 29.69% of people have an IQ of 92 or less.

Holy moly. 1/3 of the population is below what the army prefers for a basic enlisted recruit?

And no wonder. Even working in McDonalds these days isn't easy. There's so many systems, rules, procedures and the order processes technology isn't that easy to use. It really requires you to be fairly smart to be a good McDonalds employee. You ain't just flippin' burgers nomore. ;)


63% of the population has an IQ of 105 or less.

That's over 2/3. That's the masses.

105 is fairly low. At that level someone has very limited pattern recognition abilities and can't learn that quickly. Advanced statistical concepts are well outside their understanding or ability to learn without SIGNIFICANT time-investment. Advanced logical reasoning is impossible at this level.

You yourself have used many logical fallacies. Most people don't even know what a logical fallacy is, and it's called a fallacy for a reason. It is not logically valid. It cannot be used to prove something or to form a logical conclusion about an event.

The level at which someone is able to reason at a level sufficient to discern truth from falsehood starts at about IQ 115-120. An IQ of 115 is only 16% of the population. I wonder which 16% that is. :)

120 is 9% of the population.

What about the level at which someone is able to read and understand how mRNA works? To understand about virology. Statistics. How viruses spread. 115+ with a lot of study(Someone in that career). But to actually just go away and do some reading on the topic and understand it is 130+, maybe even 135-140+. IQ of 130(sd-15 normalization anyway, which is what I'm using here) is 2.3% of the population and 140 is 0.39% of the population.

It's pretty easy to see why you can more or less just flaunt utter crap to the public and no will be able to see it.

The smart people who CAN and try to warn you are labelled by the media as conspiracy theorists or nutters.

The 10-20% of the population that's clever enough to see all the general shit also just gets labelled as conspiracy theorist anti-vaxxers. I'm not saying all anti-vaxxers are intelligent, but unfortunately the clever people who try to convey sound reasoning just lumped in with the nutters who say the vaccination is nanobot technology to control you. And of course, they love that, because people will jump over an "appeal to extremes" logical fallacy.

"Oh they wouldn't try to plant little robots in us, don't be silly! Big pharma are good, because they wouldn't try to put robots in us".

so really, all people need to remember are the IQ statistics about the population.

Trying to convince people is.. fruitless.

Those that you can convince, already are acutely aware of the nature of the reality they live in, and those that need to be convinced can only be convinced through repetition and authority, not logical reasoning. Both repetition and authority are logical fallacies btw, and it is how most people have their minds changed. The doctor says X, so you believe X without independent thought. The media says Y enough times, from multiple newspapers, websites and videos, so you believe it.

And with that in mind..

T'chau :) I have work to do.
I am sure your realise this, but extrapolating your own data means the vast majority of people on here will not understand what your talking about. Let alone apply it, to lets say, why they fail at im ;)
 

Take the vaccine to stay healthy and get free alcohol and diabetes :)
 
Another interesting observation :

Search on google trends for "anti vax" and you'll see this :


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See how there's very little interest in "anti vax" before 2019 .

Then suddenly at the end of 2018 there's a sudden increase in "anti vax" searches , reaching the peak in february 2019 , but the interest still remains relatively high afterwards .

If you were on Reddit in this period you may remember that anti vax memes were EVERYWHERE . Stuff like this :


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Why this sudden popularity of anti vax memes ONE YEAR before the pandemic started?

If you understand how propaganda works the answer is obvious .

Now anyone who is even slightly skeptical of this vaccine is labeled an "antivaxxer" and is deemed crazy , delusional , anti science .

All of this was carefully planned before .
 
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Another interesting observation :

Search on google trends for "anti vax" and you'll see this :

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See how there's very little interest in "anti vax" before 2019 .

Then suddenly at the end of 2018 there's a sudden increase in "anti vax" searches , reaching the peak in february 2019 , but the interest still remains relatively high afterwards .

If you were on Reddit in this period you may remember that anti vax memes were EVERYWHERE . Stuff like this :

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Why this sudden popularity of anti vax memes ONE YEAR before the pandemic started?

If you understand how propaganda works the answer is obvious .

Now anyone who is even slightly skeptical of this vaccine is labeled an "antivaxxer" and is deemed crazy , delusional , anti science .

All of this was carefully planned before .

What region is this?

Did you try antivaccine? Antivax?

The antivax movement is way older than this. Before covid, antivaxxers used to say vaccines gave them a bunch of fake illnesses. All made up stuff posted to four-chan and reddit conspiracy forums. 100% crazy schizo ass BS.

If anything was planned ahead of time it is this stupid antivax movement attempting to keep the pandemic going for whatever reasons.
 
Extinct? Likely not for a long time, if ever. COVID will become endemic. We lost the chance to control the spread early on when the ignorant and foolish decided it was a hoax, that the virus was somehow political, or some govt control conspiracy, etc. Now we get to live with it for years to come.

Why this sudden popularity of anti vax memes ONE YEAR before the pandemic started?

If you understand how propaganda works the answer is obvious .

Now anyone who is even slightly skeptical of this vaccine is labeled an "antivaxxer" and is deemed crazy , delusional , anti science .

All of this was carefully planned before .

Why the sudden popularity?? Because social media is in a state of information warfare right now. Existing anti-vaxx mentalities were exasperated and amplified for geopolitical purposes. People are believing it in greater numbers now as a result. That was carefully planned alright and is sadly working quite well.

Anti-vaxxers appear crazy, delusional, and anti-science because the nonsense they spew is crazy, delusional, and anti-science. Ain't no Bill Gates microchip in that shot. You won't be fighting off spoons with your magnificent magnetism. It ain't gonna fuck up your DNA and cause your cock to fall off. Population control? As a whole it hasn't made a dent in humanity; it's just a sad rounding error, not a Black Death-level event. And on and on.. it's retardation all the way down with this lot.

Right now I find myself wondering: has anyone thought to build a targeted list of these anti-vaxx types for IM? They appear to buy into just about anything man...
 
@bartosimpsonio

What region is this?

It's worldwide

Did you try antivaccine? Antivax?

"Antivax" gave the same pattern .

"antivaccine" is fluctuating all over the place , which makes sense because it has a lower search volume and is not as "mememable" as "antivax"

Another way to verify is just to search "antivax memes" on google images . You'll see most of the posts are from 2019 .

I think you mentioned that you use Reddit , so you must have seen yourself these anti vax memes . They became really popular around 2019 .

The antivax movement is way older than this. Before covid, antivaxxers used to say vaccines gave them a bunch of fake illnesses. All made up stuff posted to four-chan and reddit conspiracy forums. 100% crazy schizo ass BS.

If anything was planned ahead of time it is this stupid antivax movement attempting to keep the pandemic going for whatever reasons.

How is this related to what I said ?
 
Anti-vaxxers appear crazy, delusional, and anti-science because the nonsense they spew is crazy, delusional, and anti-science. Ain't no Bill Gates microchip in that shot. You won't be fighting off spoons with your magnificent magnetism. It ain't gonna fuck up your DNA and cause your cock to fall off. Population control? As a whole it hasn't made a dent in humanity; it's just a sad rounding error, not a Black Death-level event. And on and on.. it's retardation all the way down with this lot.

This paragraph alone proves that the propaganda is working .

Not everyone believes in "Bill Gates microchip in that shot" or "magnificent magnetism" .

Read again what I said :

Now anyone who is even slightly skeptical of this vaccine is labeled an "antivaxxer" and is deemed crazy , delusional , anti science .
 
Another way to verify is just to search "antivax memes" on google images . You'll see most of the posts are from 2019 .

Maybe because COVID also began in 2019?

You know the true origin of the Covid antivaxxer movement?

I'll tell you.

A certain well known guy saw his odds of ....succeeding (I'll avoid the politics).... going down the drain.

He wanted chaos and needed to generate chaos somehow for a certain event (which was a massive flop and led many to jail).

So he began sabotaging vaccines .... his group spread massive fake news about vaccines to get as many infected as possible. This happened in 2019. That's why you see a spike there. Think of what happened in a major nation in 2019 and you'll understand (again I'm dodging politics).

And now we have a legion of his fans who believed the fake news and keep repeating it everywhere with nonsensical conspiracy theories.


How is this related to what I said ?

Because unlike what you said, it's not recent.

The antivaxxer movement did not begin in 2019. It may have gone under different names before so to jump to the conclusions you did, we'd have to perform some decent keyword research with all variations and long tails, in order to find the previously used terms. If you search archive.org for antivaxxer-related terms and do some decent scientific keyword research, you'll find that the movement goes back decades.

Vaccine fake news has been going on for much more than 10 years.

Antivaxxers used to make up fake shit about vaccines 20+ years ago. I recall this very vividly about autism.

https://time.com/5175704/andrew-wakefield-vaccine-autism/
 
@bartosimpsonio

Maybe because COVID also began in 2019?

The antivax meme trend began at the end of 2018 so it's before the virus emerged at the end of 2019 . One year before ...

Because unlike what you said, it's not recent.

The antivaxxer movement did not begin in 2019.


Where did I say it's recent ? Did you even read what I said ?

Of course anti vax ideas are really old .

I was talking about anti vax memes and when they became popular in 2019 .

 
A certain well known guy saw his odds of ....succeeding (I'll avoid the politics).... going down the drain.

He wanted chaos and needed to generate chaos somehow for a certain event (which was a massive flop and led many to jail).

So he began sabotaging vaccines .... his group spread massive fake news about vaccines to get as many infected as possible. This happened in 2019.
These conspiracy theories are getting ridiculous. Are you telling me there's a group of people that want to infect as many people as possible by sabotaging vaccines for what? Eugenics purpose? Financial interest? Fun or boredom? What do they win out of this?

How do these people make back their investment assuming you're right? Do they sell any cures for the infections caused? Booster shoots? Shorted the Pharma market? Can they make money go Brrrr as the Fed?

You were mocking concerned and skeptical people—antivaxers as considered by many—for thinking and believing pharmaceutical company vaccines harm them & are not safe, yet you're spouting inane and absurd claims as: "no guys, the gov, Pfizer and Moderna care about you, the vaxs & coercive measures are for your own good but there's this group of people... that due to certain reasons started sabotaging vaccines to inflict harm on innocent people". Laughable.

Pfizer gained $80B in a year
Moderna skyrocketed 1500% in a year to a total market cap of $160B
but smh it's this political guy and his group that profits in unknown fashion off sabotaging things; it's them that have gotten in the way of these companies from saving the people from the deadly [1], [2], [3] virus. Poor old people with comorbidities keep dying with this virus after they exceed the average life expectancy iss like their death is imminent nevertheless or smth. Weird stuff really... cannot tell what's happening. But then, again, we all should be responsible citizens and get the vaccine, which is pointless - Unless we ALL take it!

Just as an American company can sell phones without chargers, a liability-free pharmaceutical company can offer you flawed therapeutic product.
 
Google trends for "antivax memes" :

Wait so you're literally discussing...memes??

I thought you were using memes as a measure of how hot the topic is.

My point was it's an old thing, not specific to 2019. Except for covid which began in 2019.

These conspiracy theories are getting ridiculous. Are you telling me there's a group of people that want to infect as many people as possible

That's not actually a conspiracy at all.

Several countries adopted the herd immunity strategy early on but then rolled it back when they were warned it's impossible.

But then, like I said, some groups still insisted in this. Those groups who did still insist the vaccines are bad because they need to justify their massive mistake.

Pfizer gained $80B in a year
Moderna skyrocketed 1500% in a year to a total market cap of $160B
but smh it's this political guy and his group that profits in unknown fashion off sabotaging things; it's them that have gotten in the way of these companies from saving the people from the deadly [1], [2], [3] virus. Poor old people with comorbidities keep dying with this virus after they exceed the average life expectancy iss like their death is imminent nevertheless or smth. Weird stuff really... cannot tell what's happening. But then, again, we all should be responsible citizens and get the vaccine, which is pointless - Unless we ALL take it!

Just as an American company can sell phones without chargers, a liability-free pharmaceutical company can offer you flawed therapeutic product.

It's called supply and demand. And it wasn't just pharma, other companies which make work-at-home stuff also gained billions, like video conferencing cos, home gyms and so forth. What's wrong with that? You people use financials like it's some proof of conspiracy. Apple, Amazon and Tesla also gained billions. Are they in on this argument of yours?
 
It's called supply and demand. And it wasn't just pharma, other companies which make work-at-home stuff also gained billions, like video conferencing cos, home gyms and so forth. What's wrong with that? You people use financials like it's some proof of conspiracy. Apple, Amazon and Tesla also gained billions. Are they in on this argument of yours?
You misunderstood my point. Amazon and Tesla gained billions because those were thriving conditions for them. I'm sure you don't imply these are the people that sabotage the vaccines. The pharmaceutical companies I am talking about have a financial interest to push their product on as many people as possible (aka get their vaccines bought by countries) hence the mandatory vaccination, extending to a demographic market (healthy people <40-50 years old) that is not at risk from contact with the virus. Asymptomatic spread argument is BS and people can be more harmed by medication than disease (iatrogenic effect) just as well as they can die from nosocomial infection from air ventilators.

My initial question was, these people that you talk about, do they profit in some way off sabotaging vaccines as you say? In addition, you talked about countries that failed to get herd immunity. Still, people who got the virus were found to be carrying antibodies even after 6 months.
 
@bartosimpsonio

Wait so you're literally discussing...memes??

Exactly , anti vax ideas are really old , but these types of "anti antivaxxers" memes took off at the beginning of 2019 .

Memes are one of the best ways to spread ideas/propaganda , I think we can all agree on that .

It's the perfect way to start the demonization of anyone skeptical about vaccines .

And it worked !!!

As I already said :
Now anyone who is even slightly skeptical of this vaccine is labeled an "antivaxxer" and is deemed crazy , delusional , anti science .

And these memes were all over the internet : reddit , ifunny , 9gag , ... everywhere

I wouldn't be surprised if 100s of millions were exposed to them .

And all of this happens one year before the pandemic even begins ...
 
@bartosimpsonio



Exactly , anti vax ideas are really old , but these types of "anti antivaxxers" memes took off at the beginning of 2019 .

Memes are one of the best ways to spread ideas/propaganda , I think we can all agree on that .

It's the perfect way to start the demonization of anyone skeptical about vaccines .

And it worked !!!

As I already said :


And these memes were all over the internet : reddit , ifunny , 9gag , ... everywhere

I wouldn't be surprised if 100s of millions were exposed to them .

And all of this happens one year before the pandemic even begins ...
You do know that anti vax has been going on since vaccines was invented.
This is not new. There was the person who said about the MMR. Which created a big serge in this recently.
This is what annoys me. Also just to shock you there has been a vaccination passport in different countries for a long time.
You are maybe 12 so never seen this before.
 
You misunderstood my point. Amazon and Tesla gained billions because those were thriving conditions for them. I'm sure you don't imply these are the people that sabotage the vaccines. The pharmaceutical companies I am talking about have a financial interest to push their product on as many people as possible (aka get their vaccines bought by countries) hence the mandatory vaccination, extending to a demographic market (healthy people <40-50 years old) that is not at risk from contact with the virus. Asymptomatic spread argument is BS and people can be more harmed by medication than disease (iatrogenic effect) just as well as they can die from nosocomial infection from air ventilators.

My initial question was, these people that you talk about, do they profit in some way off sabotaging vaccines as you say? In addition, you talked about countries that failed to get herd immunity. Still, people who got the virus were found to be carrying antibodies even after 6 months.

Every company has a "financial interest to push their product on as many people as possible". Your arguments are nonsense.

Did the saboteurs profit?

I don't think they did. But they thought they would. They're gone now tho, won't harm us. Yet their antivaxxer fans are still out there spewing lies and BS about vaccines.

You are maybe 12 so never seen this before.

Thanks I just spit my cofee.
 
@andyframpton

You apparently can't read . At least read the first sentence :

Exactly , anti vax ideas are really old , but these types of "anti antivaxxers" memes took off at the beginning of 2019 .

Where did I say anti vax is anything new? It's not , of course .

I'm only talking about the spread of memes as a way to demonize the antivaxxers that became popular in 2018/2019 .
 
@andyframpton

You apparently can't read . At least read the first sentence :



Where did I say anti vax is anything new? It's not , of course .

I'm only talking about the spread of memes as a way to demonize the antivaxxers that became popular in 2018/2019 .
I can read don’t worry about that.
2018 account. 4 posts. I think I read that right. Correct me if I am wrong.
 
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