When will Covid go extinct?

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crnack said:
In case of covid-19 things are a little bit more clear.
Many side effects are known to people.
They get fever, they vomit.

Nobody is shocked and rejecting the fact covid-19 vaccines have side effects.
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You have a case, where a big industry "big tobacco" has a clear history of blatant manipulation of the public through paying off the medical community in order to profit. This was 80 years ago.

Today, you have an industry, "big pharma".

And people think it's beyond them to control the public perception and promote fear, inflate figures in order to get everyone vaccinated. What about "new variants" popping up. Children now being forced to vaccinate. In the future we will see MANY new variants and mandatory top-up vaccinations.

Wait and see.

And 100 years from now, people will look back at it how we now look(although many have forgotten) at how big tobacco manipulated the public on a mass scale.

But in 100 years, people will still probably be getting manipulated, because human beings for the most part are not a clever species.

The US army has a minimum IQ requirement of 81. It is *illegal* to enlist someone below that. They prefer 93+.

Do you know much they've invested in trying to find positions for everyone and drive enlistments? With all their systems and investment they can't find anything useful for a sub IQ 81 person to do.

Do you know what % of the population has an IQ under 85?

It's about 16%

Think about that for a moment.

16% of the population are so intellectually disabled(to try to be polite. People have qualities beyond intelligence, but intelligence is very important, especially when it comes to discerning truth from falsehood)

Under 81, I'm not sure, but it's around 10-11%
so 1 in 10 people are incapable of functioning in a job in modern society. The army can't find a role for them and it NEEDS people.

Do you think those 16% under 85 are going to be able to discern truth or just be easily manipulated? A simple newspaper article could just say anything and they'll believe it. Simple repetition is all you need to convince people at this level of something.

The army prefers 93+ IQ. An IQ of 92 puts you in the 29.69th percentile. That means 29.69% of people have an IQ of 92 or less.

Holy moly. 1/3 of the population is below what the army prefers for a basic enlisted recruit?

And no wonder. Even working in McDonalds these days isn't easy. There's so many systems, rules, procedures and the order processes technology isn't that easy to use. It really requires you to be fairly smart to be a good McDonalds employee. You ain't just flippin' burgers nomore. ;)


63% of the population has an IQ of 105 or less.

That's over 2/3. That's the masses.

105 is fairly low. At that level someone has very limited pattern recognition abilities and can't learn that quickly. Advanced statistical concepts are well outside their understanding or ability to learn without SIGNIFICANT time-investment. Advanced logical reasoning is impossible at this level.

You yourself have used many logical fallacies. Most people don't even know what a logical fallacy is, and it's called a fallacy for a reason. It is not logically valid. It cannot be used to prove something or to form a logical conclusion about an event.

The level at which someone is able to reason at a level sufficient to discern truth from falsehood starts at about IQ 115-120. An IQ of 115 is only 16% of the population. I wonder which 16% that is. :)

120 is 9% of the population.

What about the level at which someone is able to read and understand how mRNA works? To understand about virology. Statistics. How viruses spread. 115+ with a lot of study(Someone in that career). But to actually just go away and do some reading on the topic and understand it is 130+, maybe even 135-140+. IQ of 130(sd-15 normalization anyway, which is what I'm using here) is 2.3% of the population and 140 is 0.39% of the population.

It's pretty easy to see why you can more or less just flaunt utter crap to the public and no will be able to see it.

The smart people who CAN and try to warn you are labelled by the media as conspiracy theorists or nutters.

The 10-20% of the population that's clever enough to see all the general shit also just gets labelled as conspiracy theorist anti-vaxxers. I'm not saying all anti-vaxxers are intelligent, but unfortunately the clever people who try to convey sound reasoning just lumped in with the nutters who say the vaccination is nanobot technology to control you. And of course, they love that, because people will jump over an "appeal to extremes" logical fallacy.

"Oh they wouldn't try to plant little robots in us, don't be silly! Big pharma are good, because they wouldn't try to put robots in us".

so really, all people need to remember are the IQ statistics about the population.

Trying to convince people is.. fruitless.

Those that you can convince, already are acutely aware of the nature of the reality they live in, and those that need to be convinced can only be convinced through repetition and authority, not logical reasoning. Both repetition and authority are logical fallacies btw, and it is how most people have their minds changed. The doctor says X, so you believe X without independent thought. The media says Y enough times, from multiple newspapers, websites and videos, so you believe it.

And with that in mind..

T'chau :-) I have work to do.
 
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splishsplash said:
You have a case, where a big industry "big tobacco" has a clear history of blatant manipulation of the public through paying off the medical community in order to profit. This was 80 years ago.

Today, you have an industry, "big pharma".

And people think it's beyond them to control the public perception and promote fear, inflate figures in order to get everyone vaccinated. What about "new variants" popping up. Children now being forced to vaccinate. In the future we will see MANY new variants and mandatory top-up vaccinations.

Wait and see.

And 100 years from now, people will look back at it how we now look(although many have forgotten) at how big tobacco manipulated the public on a mass scale.

But in 100 years, people will still probably be getting manipulated, because human beings for the most part are not a clever species.

The US army has a minimum IQ requirement of 81. It is *illegal* to enlist someone below that. They prefer 93+.

Do you know much they've invested in trying to find positions for everyone and drive enlistments? With all their systems and investment they can't find anything useful for a sub IQ 81 person to do.

Do you know what % of the population has an IQ under 85?

It's about 16%

Think about that for a moment.

16% of the population are so intellectually disabled(to try to be polite. People have qualities beyond intelligence, but intelligence is very important, especially when it comes to discerning truth from falsehood)

Under 81, I'm not sure, but it's around 10-11%
so 1 in 10 people are incapable of functioning in a job in modern society. The army can't find a role for them and it NEEDS people.

Do you think those 16% under 85 are going to be able to discern truth or just be easily manipulated? A simple newspaper article could just say anything and they'll believe it. Simple repetition is all you need to convince people at this level of something.

The army prefers 93+ IQ. An IQ of 92 puts you in the 29.69th percentile. That means 29.69% of people have an IQ of 92 or less.

Holy moly. 1/3 of the population is below what the army prefers for a basic enlisted recruit?

And no wonder. Even working in McDonalds these days isn't easy. There's so many systems, rules, procedures and the order processes technology isn't that easy to use. It really requires you to be fairly smart to be a good McDonalds employee. You ain't just flippin' burgers nomore. ;)


63% of the population has an IQ of 105 or less.

That's over 2/3. That's the masses.

105 is fairly low. At that level someone has very limited pattern recognition abilities and can't learn that quickly. Advanced statistical concepts are well outside their understanding or ability to learn without SIGNIFICANT time-investment. Advanced logical reasoning is impossible at this level.

You yourself have used many logical fallacies. Most people don't even know what a logical fallacy is, and it's called a fallacy for a reason. It is not logically valid. It cannot be used to prove something or to form a logical conclusion about an event.

The level at which someone is able to reason at a level sufficient to discern truth from falsehood starts at about IQ 115-120. An IQ of 115 is only 16% of the population. I wonder which 16% that is. :)

120 is 9% of the population.

What about the level at which someone is able to read and understand how mRNA works? To understand about virology. Statistics. How viruses spread. 115+ with a lot of study(Someone in that career). But to actually just go away and do some reading on the topic and understand it is 130+, maybe even 135-140+. IQ of 130(sd-15 normalization anyway, which is what I'm using here) is 2.3% of the population and 140 is 0.39% of the population.

It's pretty easy to see why you can more or less just flaunt utter crap to the public and no will be able to see it.

The smart people who CAN and try to warn you are labelled by the media as conspiracy theorists or nutters.

The 10-20% of the population that's clever enough to see all the general shit also just gets labelled as conspiracy theorist anti-vaxxers. I'm not saying all anti-vaxxers are intelligent, but unfortunately the clever people who try to convey sound reasoning just lumped in with the nutters who say the vaccination is nanobot technology to control you. And of course, they love that, because people will jump over an "appeal to extremes" logical fallacy.

"Oh they wouldn't try to plant little robots in us, don't be silly! Big pharma are good, because they wouldn't try to put robots in us".

so really, all people need to remember are the IQ statistics about the population.

Trying to convince people is.. fruitless.

Those that you can convince, already are acutely aware of the nature of the reality they live in, and those that need to be convinced can only be convinced through repetition and authority, not logical reasoning. Both repetition and authority are logical fallacies btw, and it is how most people have their minds changed. The doctor says X, so you believe X without independent thought. The media says Y enough times, from multiple newspapers, websites and videos, so you believe it.

And with that in mind..

T'chau :) I have work to do.
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Yuck. Lost all respect for you.

What a fascinating time to be alive.
 
We don't kill the virus.
It kills us.
It will end when when all symptomatic die.
Vax are worthless for symptomatic.
Good news is they are just 3% of the world population.
Meanwhile, morons who are asymptomatic and blindly get the vax, may experience unwanted side effects, like becoming sterile (that's good as they wont reproduce more morons like them).
All of this thanks to Bill & Associates, who should end in prison for life.
 
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Sounds very convincing
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Wanna hear more?

Covid only has a mortality rate of 2.2%. There is ongoing debate on when the world should stop reporting on EVERY Covid case and only start reporting on the serious ones because you don't have to keep reporting every single person on the planet that got it to inflate the numbers and make it sound like everyone is dying.

Did people not know that every year in America alone 60,000 people die from the flu? And it's been like this for decades but we never hear about the 9 million to 45 million Americans infected with the flu on the news every single day of every single year. It's just swatted aside like it doesn't even exist.

Do people not know that cancer alone kills nearly 10 million humans each YEAR on this planet? some 600,000 die each year in America alone and close to 2 million new reported cases each year in America alone. Why isn't this on the news and why aren't every single diagnosis and death reported on the front pages of every paper and news channel every single day?

I personally think it's just as important if not more to figure out why cancers of all kinds are on the rise at an epic scale and why there is no cure or even clear understanding of what causes it (or they just don't wanna tell us because as you know, if there are no sick people, then there is no business -- how sad is that!). I mean, we do know of carcinogens and things that can cause cancer but it's still not clear cut and dry. Most of it, they have no clue. Everyone should research PFAs in water right now. If you didn't know about this already, it may already be too late and it's inside you right now which causes cancer. It's shocking that we barely hear anything about this and PFAs have been dubbed the "forever chemicals" which means it never goes away....it's always going to be in your system if you ingest it or if it's in the ground water, our oceans, etc.

This is just etching the surface. So yeah, covid19 is bad and we need to find a way to end the pandemic sooner than later but people don't realize there a hundred other really bad things going on that the average person just busy living their lives as consumers to live their dreams out has no idea about. We truly are just lemmings all heading towards the precipice, but this life is a never ending battle and war to seek the truth and fight against corruption and deception. This is the FIRST and LAST battle of our history and existence.
 
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nakamura said:
The virus will go extinct when the media decides not to talk about it anymore...and I am serious.

I have been in Thailand for a couple of months. For most of the time they had just a few cases and the reason was they only tested a couple of people. Nobody noticed anything. Suddenly they started to heavily test the people and now? 20k cases per day. Out of nowhere, till the moment they started testing you didn't notice or see anything.....and you can call this a conspiracy or not, but they suddenly started testing people when they started producing the vaccine in there....and guess what they sell the people as a solution now? right, the vaccine. Thats marketing 101 for noobs.

By the way; one more important thing: As you should know there is no liability when it comes to the vaccine. Thats quite a thing....but what happens now is: Certain countries with a very low standard are producing vaccines as well and guess what? They don't have liability as well.

I can understand when American, German, Japanese, etc. companies are producing vaccines because I know their work environment is probably on the highest standard, but countries like Thailand producing vaccines with no liability? Must be joke
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Damn, it's been about a year when I last read your post about this whole situation and it's definitely on point again.
Been in Thailand too, know some Thai people as well. They are more smart than the Eastern people.

Ok, we have a virus, we have a vaccine. We have people that we can't force to get vaccinated, we have also people already vaccinated.


Vaccine doesn't stop spreading the virus (ok, it can limit, alright).


So what's the point of forcing ("forcing" because it's for example in Poland not legal) everyone to get the vaccine?
I thought we have freedom of choice.
It would be quite different if the scientists said "there is a vaccine, you can avoid getting seriously ill with it, take it if you want".

And now?

Politicians and the media: "take the vaccine to get back to normal" (sic!)
"It's for your good."


Oh, I'm not denying the pandemic. I am not denying the effect of the vaccine. I deny the behavior of governments, which - as I once thought were random and result from ignorance of the topic or uncertainty - are now clearly planned actions.


There was a commune in my country at one time. I am from Poland.
Remember the good advice. If politicians say "it's for the common good" - it is for their good.
 
When will Covid go extinct ? That will happen as soon as the next much much much more deadly virus starts spreading, and that is just around the corner.
 
oatmeal said:
number so it was believed 50-60% of the population vaccinated would reach herd immunity but due to the variants it's now estimated to be 80-90% need to get vaccinated in order to reach herd immunity.

Cheers
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Nope, with delta variant they are saying now not even herd immunity can be acheived as it is so contagious.
 
splishsplash said:
You have a case, where a big industry "big tobacco" has a clear history of blatant manipulation of the public through paying off the medical community in order to profit. This was 80 years ago.

Today, you have an industry, "big pharma".

And people think it's beyond them to control the public perception and promote fear, inflate figures in order to get everyone vaccinated. What about "new variants" popping up. Children now being forced to vaccinate. In the future we will see MANY new variants and mandatory top-up vaccinations.

Wait and see.

And 100 years from now, people will look back at it how we now look(although many have forgotten) at how big tobacco manipulated the public on a mass scale.

But in 100 years, people will still probably be getting manipulated, because human beings for the most part are not a clever species.

The US army has a minimum IQ requirement of 81. It is *illegal* to enlist someone below that. They prefer 93+.

Do you know much they've invested in trying to find positions for everyone and drive enlistments? With all their systems and investment they can't find anything useful for a sub IQ 81 person to do.

Do you know what % of the population has an IQ under 85?

It's about 16%

Think about that for a moment.

16% of the population are so intellectually disabled(to try to be polite. People have qualities beyond intelligence, but intelligence is very important, especially when it comes to discerning truth from falsehood)

Under 81, I'm not sure, but it's around 10-11%
so 1 in 10 people are incapable of functioning in a job in modern society. The army can't find a role for them and it NEEDS people.

Do you think those 16% under 85 are going to be able to discern truth or just be easily manipulated? A simple newspaper article could just say anything and they'll believe it. Simple repetition is all you need to convince people at this level of something.

The army prefers 93+ IQ. An IQ of 92 puts you in the 29.69th percentile. That means 29.69% of people have an IQ of 92 or less.

Holy moly. 1/3 of the population is below what the army prefers for a basic enlisted recruit?

And no wonder. Even working in McDonalds these days isn't easy. There's so many systems, rules, procedures and the order processes technology isn't that easy to use. It really requires you to be fairly smart to be a good McDonalds employee. You ain't just flippin' burgers nomore. ;)


63% of the population has an IQ of 105 or less.

That's over 2/3. That's the masses.

105 is fairly low. At that level someone has very limited pattern recognition abilities and can't learn that quickly. Advanced statistical concepts are well outside their understanding or ability to learn without SIGNIFICANT time-investment. Advanced logical reasoning is impossible at this level.

You yourself have used many logical fallacies. Most people don't even know what a logical fallacy is, and it's called a fallacy for a reason. It is not logically valid. It cannot be used to prove something or to form a logical conclusion about an event.

The level at which someone is able to reason at a level sufficient to discern truth from falsehood starts at about IQ 115-120. An IQ of 115 is only 16% of the population. I wonder which 16% that is. :)

120 is 9% of the population.

What about the level at which someone is able to read and understand how mRNA works? To understand about virology. Statistics. How viruses spread. 115+ with a lot of study(Someone in that career). But to actually just go away and do some reading on the topic and understand it is 130+, maybe even 135-140+. IQ of 130(sd-15 normalization anyway, which is what I'm using here) is 2.3% of the population and 140 is 0.39% of the population.

It's pretty easy to see why you can more or less just flaunt utter crap to the public and no will be able to see it.

The smart people who CAN and try to warn you are labelled by the media as conspiracy theorists or nutters.

The 10-20% of the population that's clever enough to see all the general shit also just gets labelled as conspiracy theorist anti-vaxxers. I'm not saying all anti-vaxxers are intelligent, but unfortunately the clever people who try to convey sound reasoning just lumped in with the nutters who say the vaccination is nanobot technology to control you. And of course, they love that, because people will jump over an "appeal to extremes" logical fallacy.

"Oh they wouldn't try to plant little robots in us, don't be silly! Big pharma are good, because they wouldn't try to put robots in us".

so really, all people need to remember are the IQ statistics about the population.

Trying to convince people is.. fruitless.

Those that you can convince, already are acutely aware of the nature of the reality they live in, and those that need to be convinced can only be convinced through repetition and authority, not logical reasoning. Both repetition and authority are logical fallacies btw, and it is how most people have their minds changed. The doctor says X, so you believe X without independent thought. The media says Y enough times, from multiple newspapers, websites and videos, so you believe it.

And with that in mind..

T'chau :) I have work to do.
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A simple like doesn't work man, so I'll say thank you for your time at least
 
oatmeal said:
Wanna hear more?

Covid only has a mortality rate of 2.2%. There is ongoing debate on when the world should stop reporting on EVERY Covid case and only start reporting on the serious ones because you don't have to keep reporting every single person on the planet that got it to inflate the numbers and make it sound like everyone is dying.

Did people not know that every year in America alone 60,000 people die from the flu? And it's been like this for decades but we never hear about the 9 million to 45 million Americans infected with the flu on the news every single day of every single year. It's just swatted aside like it doesn't even exist.

Do people not know that cancer alone kills nearly 10 million humans each YEAR on this planet? some 600,000 die each year in America alone and close to 2 million new reported cases each year in America alone. Why isn't this on the news and why aren't every single diagnosis and death reported on the front pages of every paper and news channel every single day?

I personally think it's just as important if not more to figure out why cancers of all kinds are on the rise at an epic scale and why there is no cure or even clear understanding of what causes it (or they just don't wanna tell us because as you know, if there are no sick people, then there is no business -- how sad is that!). I mean, we do know of carcinogens and things that can cause cancer but it's still not clear cut and dry. Most of it, they have no clue. Everyone should research PFAs in water right now. If you didn't know about this already, it may already be too late and it's inside you right now which causes cancer. It's shocking that we barely hear anything about this and PFAs have been dubbed the "forever chemicals" which means it never goes away....it's always going to be in your system if you ingest it or if it's in the ground water, our oceans, etc.

This is just etching the surface. So yeah, covid19 is bad and we need to find a way to end the pandemic sooner than later but people don't realize there a hundred other really bad things going on that the average person just busy living their lives as consumers to live their dreams out has no idea about. We truly are just lemmings all heading towards the precipice, but this life is a never ending battle and war to seek the truth and fight against corruption and deception. This is the FIRST and LAST battle of our history and existence.
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We have a vaccine for some forms of cancer... HPV for example.
 
jonnyah said:
Yuck. Lost all respect for you.

What a fascinating time to be alive.
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Why?

These are just facts.

They're uncomfortable facts that most people don't want to talk about, but they are actual facts about the human species.

And it's the reason why people have been easily manipulated for a long time.

All the people that the blackhat affiliate marketers have been getting to sign up for "win a free walmart coupon" and "learn how to make money fast". Do you think these are the same sort of people that are developing machine learning algorithms and sending re-usable rockets into space?

You seem like a clever person to me.

Look into this

https://www.google.com/search?q=doc...yAhWkDWMBHWvPBtoQ_AUI2gUoAQ&biw=1718&bih=1291
This is not a logical fallacy. I am not trying to prove something by showing this. I am just showing an example of what humans and big corporations are capable of when it comes to large amounts of profit.

Big pharma are very similar to big tobacco.

If you can show that A is capable of B, and C is very similar to A, then there's a strong chance that C is also capable of B. At least to the extent it should seriously be considered.

The problem is, most people are too uncomfortable to face the reality that the world is actually a pretty dark place behind the scenes. They prefer to believe that governments and companies are mostly good and exist to benefit mankind and "be of service to others".

And if respect means falling in line with what the masses think, then you can keep your respect. I'll continue to be an independent, free-thinker.
 
GenesisOne said:
We don't kill the virus.
It kills us.
It will end when when all symptomatic die.
Vax are worthless for symptomatic.
Good news is they are just 3% of the world population.
Meanwhile, morons who are asymptomatic and blindly get the vax, may experience unwanted side effects, like becoming sterile (that's good as they wont reproduce more morons like them).
All of this thanks to Bill & Associates, who should end in prison for life.
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Wow. Based on? Guessing tik tok or youtube?
 
I don't know when it's going to end but it's getting BORING now.
It's always negative news everyday, no hope, no one is allowed to question anything. No fair discussions, too much censorship.
I can understand if someone is hesitant to take 3 vaccines in a year, there is no reason to completely dismiss these peoples opinions.
I appreciate everyone (including myself) who went out to get vaccinated hoping to put this behind us but it's never ending and it's very sad.
It's really seeming like a never ending saga that benefits only the Media and the Rich
 
splishsplash said:
Why?

These are just facts.

They're uncomfortable facts that most people don't want to talk about, but they are actual facts about the human species.

And it's the reason why people have been easily manipulated for a long time.

All the people that the blackhat affiliate marketers have been getting to sign up for "win a free walmart coupon" and "learn how to make money fast". Do you think these are the same sort of people that are developing machine learning algorithms and sending re-usable rockets into space?

You seem like a clever person to me.

Look into this

https://www.google.com/search?q=doc...yAhWkDWMBHWvPBtoQ_AUI2gUoAQ&biw=1718&bih=1291
This is not a logical fallacy. I am not trying to prove something by showing this. I am just showing an example of what humans and big corporations are capable of when it comes to large amounts of profit.

Big pharma are very similar to big tobacco.

If you can show that A is capable of B, and C is very similar to A, then there's a strong chance that C is also capable of B. At least to the extent it should seriously be considered.

The problem is, most people are too uncomfortable to face the reality that the world is actually a pretty dark place behind the scenes. They prefer to believe that governments and companies are mostly good and exist to benefit mankind and "be of service to others".

And if respect means falling in line with what the masses think, then you can keep your respect. I'll continue to be an independent, free-thinker.
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Your basing your current health advice on something which isn't the whole picture.

We're not talking about the sackler family here and their manipulation.

It's a global pandemic.

Being critical is fine. But saying tobacco is the same as big pharma, therefore vaccines and covid is all bullshit is logical leap that would require significant evidence to corroborate.

A guess or opinion that ignores evidence is a poor choice.
 
splishsplash said:
It's pretty easy to see why you can more or less just flaunt utter crap to the public and no will be able to see it.

The smart people who CAN and try to warn you are labelled by the media as conspiracy theorists or nutters.

The 10-20% of the population that's clever enough to see all the general shit also just gets labelled as conspiracy theorist anti-vaxxers. I'm not saying all anti-vaxxers are intelligent, but unfortunately the clever people who try to convey sound reasoning just lumped in with the nutters who say the vaccination is nanobot technology to control you. And of course, they love that, because people will jump over an "appeal to extremes" logical fallacy.

"Oh they wouldn't try to plant little robots in us, don't be silly! Big pharma are good, because they wouldn't try to put robots in us".

so really, all people need to remember are the IQ statistics about the population.

Trying to convince people is.. fruitless.

Those that you can convince, already are acutely aware of the nature of the reality they live in, and those that need to be convinced can only be convinced through repetition a
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I quit school because I thought my reasoning was so bad I could not solve logical problems.
With time I realized it's irrational to expect a hungry 13 year old kid to solve logical problems.

Luckily, I was able to see a little through propaganda and went on the internet convincing myself I can become a money maker.
I was learning by repetition at the time. I was monkeying BlackHatWorld methods without giving them too much thought.
Anyways, I could not grasp advanced concepts.

Today I can build projects by myself. Studying is not a giant hurdle anymore.

I believe our intelligence varies depending on our age, habits (drugs etc) and training.

As I said earlier, people choose to do all of those things monkeying each other.
When I'm talking to people we could call masses, they reject many advanced ideas choosing the easier way.

I believe my iq is still pretty low. People post logical fallacies mostly while they are emotional.
I believe your emotional state, the level of hunger and other factors could to an extent influence your intelligence score in a test.

I myself posted this to make fun of people after getting out of bed. So this was my morning.

I myself sometimes think in 100 years the years 2000 - 2030 will be regarded as the absolute mastery of propaganda.
And this might be taught in the schools as a history lesson of "mass extinction".

On the other hand, however, there will probably be enough literature and information to keep the propaganda going forever.
So the lesson is that those in power are right.

Think about the hospitals that are filled. I think they're not full because someone wished they were. Would someone make up a pandemic? Sources please.
 
jonnyah said:
Your basing your current health advice on something which isn't the whole picture.

We're not talking about the sackler family here and their manipulation.

It's a global pandemic.

Being critical is fine. But saying tobacco is the same as big pharma, therefore vaccines and covid is all bullshit is logical leap that would require significant evidence to corroborate.

A guess or opinion that ignores evidence is a poor choice.
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I am not giving health advice.

I am giving independent-thought advice.

I have not and never will say "Take the vaccine", or "Don't take the vaccine".

This is irrelevant. This is black and white thinking. This is polarization that moves people away from what they really should focus their thoughts on.

Ok, here is an example. You have just used a logical fallacy. In fact, it's not even a logical fallacy, it's just a really faulty way to argue. It's called a straw-man.

You used 2. The first was that I'm giving health advice. This is forgivable, because you may have assumed I said one thing or the other. I can correct you on that.

But, this statement here is pure fantasy :-

"Being critical is fine. But saying tobacco is the same as big pharma, therefore vaccines and covid is all bullshit is logical leap that would require significant evidence to corroborate."

Heck, let me paste exactly what I said, because I anticipated this kind of fantasy extrapolation.

I did not make a logical leap.

(I apologize if I seem aggressive here. I am not. I'm just being specific to your argument for the sake of accuracy)

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This is not a logical fallacy. I am not trying to prove something by showing this. I am just showing an example of what humans and big corporations are capable of when it comes to large amounts of profit.

Big pharma are very similar to big tobacco.

If you can show that A is capable of B, and C is very similar to A, then there's a strong chance that C is also capable of B. At least to the extent it should seriously be considered."

I specifically said here this isn't a logical fallacy and that I am NOT trying to prove.

I am just establishing the logic that

If A is capable of B.

And we can show that C is similar to A. (big pharma is similar to big tobacco. You can argue this if you like which if you prove, breaks down my argument)

Then C has a strong chance of also being capable of B, to the extent that it should be seriously considered.

I was VERY careful with my words.

And the "therefore vaccines and covid are all bullshit". This here is a logical fallacy called "appeal to the extremes" AND a straw-man rolled into one.

I never said vaccines are "bullshit", whatever "bullshit" is implied to mean.

I never said covid is "bullshit", whatever "bullshit" is implied to mean.

I said, big tobacco have a proven history of manipulating the public and using doctors/the media to do so.

It's not a big stretch that big pharma could potentially do the same.

This isn't about specifically the safety concerns of the vaccine. I am saying, big pharma are extremely likely to have an agenda of profit. They have a track record of not caring about side effects and the health of the public, so they will roll out something that's unsafe whether it's helpful or not.

As someone said above. "I took the vaccine because I wanted this to end". It's not ended. It won't end until enough people realize this isn't about a virus, it's about money.

And I'll say it. The source of the virus was highly likely to be man-made. I haven't wasted the energy researching this, because it doesn't really matter to my life. But from what I've seen, it looks like it was man-made and that wouldn't surprise me.

My personal belief.. and I am not saying this is fact because I don't have the inclination to try to prove this, and proving is a waste of time. Humans disagree on everything. Logic is irrelevant. My personal belief is that it was created in order to roll out the vaccines for profit and control and that there are a few agendas at play. There's too many weird things if you look into the history of the mRNA vaccine.

I personally won't take the vaccine. If I die, then I die, it's my time. My choice. If others feel the vaccine protects them, then take it. You are thus now protected from me, who doesn't take it, and you can still carry the virus, and infect me. My problem, not yours.

At the end of the day, none of this stops me from running my business and making money. If everyone just focused on what was important in their lives and just stopped watching the media, then the world and the ability for anyone to use a pandemic for profit or control would be greatly diminished.
 
splishsplash said:
I am not giving health advice.

I am giving independent-thought advice.

I have not and never will say "Take the vaccine", or "Don't take the vaccine".

This is irrelevant. This is black and white thinking. This is polarization that moves people away from what they really should focus their thoughts on.

Ok, here is an example. You have just used a logical fallacy. In fact, it's not even a logical fallacy, it's just a really faulty way to argue. It's called a straw-man.

You used 2. The first was that I'm giving health advice. This is forgivable, because you may have assumed I said one thing or the other. I can correct you on that.

But, this statement here is pure fantasy :-

"Being critical is fine. But saying tobacco is the same as big pharma, therefore vaccines and covid is all bullshit is logical leap that would require significant evidence to corroborate."

Heck, let me paste exactly what I said, because I anticipated this kind of fantasy extrapolation.

I did not make a logical leap.

(I apologize if I seem aggressive here. I am not. I'm just being specific to your argument for the sake of accuracy)

"
This is not a logical fallacy. I am not trying to prove something by showing this. I am just showing an example of what humans and big corporations are capable of when it comes to large amounts of profit.

Big pharma are very similar to big tobacco.

If you can show that A is capable of B, and C is very similar to A, then there's a strong chance that C is also capable of B. At least to the extent it should seriously be considered."

I specifically said here this isn't a logical fallacy and that I am NOT trying to prove.

I am just establishing the logic that

If A is capable of B.

And we can show that C is similar to A. (big pharma is similar to big tobacco. You can argue this if you like which if you prove, breaks down my argument)

Then C has a strong chance of also being capable of B, to the extent that it should be seriously considered.

I was VERY careful with my words.

And the "therefore vaccines and covid are all bullshit". This here is a logical fallacy called "appeal to the extremes" AND a straw-man rolled into one.

I never said vaccines are "bullshit", whatever "bullshit" is implied to mean.

I never said covid is "bullshit", whatever "bullshit" is implied to mean.

I said, big tobacco have a proven history of manipulating the public and using doctors/the media to do so.

It's not a big stretch that big pharma could potentially do the same.

This isn't about specifically the safety concerns of the vaccine. I am saying, big pharma are extremely likely to have an agenda of profit. They have a track record of not caring about side effects and the health of the public, so they will roll out something that's unsafe whether it's helpful or not.

As someone said above. "I took the vaccine because I wanted this to end". It's not ended. It won't end until enough people realize this isn't about a virus, it's about money.

And I'll say it. The source of the virus was highly likely to be man-made. I haven't wasted the energy researching this, because it doesn't really matter to my life. But from what I've seen, it looks like it was man-made and that wouldn't surprise me.

My personal belief.. and I am not saying this is fact because I don't have the inclination to try to prove this, and proving is a waste of time. Humans disagree on everything. Logic is irrelevant. My personal belief is that it was created in order to roll out the vaccines for profit and control and that there are a few agendas at play. There's too many weird things if you look into the history of the mRNA vaccine.

I personally won't take the vaccine. If I die, then I die, it's my time. My choice. If others feel the vaccine protects them, then take it. You are thus now protected from me, who doesn't take it, and you can still carry the virus, and infect me. My problem, not yours.

At the end of the day, none of this stops me from running my business and making money. If everyone just focused on what was important in their lives and just stopped watching the media, then the world and the ability for anyone to use a pandemic for profit or control would be greatly diminished.
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I would like you to know people are arguing and talking bs for fun. This is called trolling.
Some of us sometimes just want to see absurdity or real life comedy.

I would consider it immature and that's it. Making fun of this should not take place.
 
COVID is not going anywhere. We need to accept that it will be like cold and flu. Also need to brace for more pandemics.
 
splishsplash said:
My personal belief.. and I am not saying this is fact because I don't have the inclination to try to prove this, and proving is a waste of time. Humans disagree on everything. Logic is irrelevant. My personal belief is that it was created in order to roll out the vaccines for profit and control and that there are a few agendas at play. There's too many weird things if you look into the history of the mRNA vaccine.
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You dropped an interesting line. Think I will dedicate some time to check it myself now. Nobody said it before. All was black and white - what seemed to be a typical political conflict, till now. :)
 
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