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When does automation on tumblr become spam?

Discussion in 'Blogging' started by blackhatsufenta, Apr 13, 2013.

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at what degree does automation become spam

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  1. blackhatsufenta

    blackhatsufenta Newbie

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    I believe its possible to create blogs that are automated but not 'spam'. Tumblr seems to consider any auto-mation spam (although allowing their own internal queue seems to contradict this). I believe if someone were to create 20-100 accounts, hand select pictures to post and only a few a day, they could be valuable blogs and not 'spam'. I know of another who had quality blogs (maybe 70?) on a variety of specific niches that did this with, literally only 1-2 posts per day. Its possible to queue up a years worth of posts in this way, and the number of followers you get is much more a function of time then number of posts. Unfortunately this guy got banned for mobile redirects and clickunders, but his blogs were not spam. Making a large number of blogs like that will inherently generate a large volume of traffic, especially if they are linked to each other. It is possible to do in a non-spammy way that is productive and valuable to the community, but tumblr will not respond as to whether doing this, in and of itself, will get you banned. Because of this, I am forced to assume they prohibit it somehow.

    There are varying degrees to which one can use auto-mation. 1) At the least automated, one opens many browser tabs from thumbnails one likes, closes the tabs with pictures he/she doesn't like and manually reblogs the remainder to a queue. 2)A step up from this is using a plugin such as missing-e to one-click add these posts to a queue. 3) Instead of using missing-e to reblog the open tabs, an i-macros script is written and used to add all the pictures from the open windows to the queue. I have dones this and I doubt it got me banned, but perhaps it could? After this degree of auto-mation, I see two ways of progressing. 4) one can use a script or bot to upload images from a local drive to the queue. If these images comprise a thoughtful collection or are the authors own creation, I can't consider this to be spam, but maybe tumblr does. I did this with a script that I wrote using browser clicks and not API. I don't know if it was the reason for getting banned. 5) One can write a script, as I have done, that selects random images from carefully selected blogs and adds them to your queue. I did this as well and was careful to select blogs with only quality content that people would want to see again. I'd say upwards of 90% of all blogs do this indirectly, its just the randomization happens trough people's selection of images rather than a machine. Sometimes people will just reblog images randomly just to have a lot of posts, and a lot of tumblr is comprised of this. However using scripts it is possible to scale this behavior almost indefinitely. If a) you select enough source blogs, b) the blogs you pick to reblog from are of very high quality, c) you make more like 10 posts per day rather than 50 or more and d) all within the source blogs are from the same narrow niche, it is impossible for a human observer to distinguish whether the blog originates from auto-mation or from method 1) above. My question to tumblr and to the community at large: is such a blog spam? If someone does this on a variety of (adult)niches and assembles them into a directory, I would be interested in following it and consider it a convenience. If tumblr was willing to talk with me and clearly delineate at which level of auto-mation the behavior is acceptable and unacceptable, I would be willing to adjust to their mold. However every attempt I have made to contact them has failed. It seems they will tolerate the above methods if you do it on a small scale, but once you scale it too big they become intolerant. Ideally I would like to abide by their rules and have no limit on my scalability, or have a limit defined by them. Due to their unwillingness to communicate it seems that the only way to discover what the rules are is to break them, trial-and-error style. I was able to get almost 100,000 followers, so clearly that is too big. Are there any private forums to discuss tumblrs detection algorithms?

    It seems they are now banning my accounts before I even post in them (I've done a fresh install of windows on a virtual machine, new outlook acc, new ip-address and got instabanned, which leads me to some privacy concerns), but I will find a way around that eventually.

    Tumblr considers auto-mation (and pretty much anything they don't like) to be spam. At what degree does it become spam? Tell me your thoughts.
     
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  2. Herion

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  3. blackhatsufenta

    blackhatsufenta Newbie

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    Need to delete this post (i was having trouble getting the original post past the bhw moderation system)
     
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  4. blackhatsufenta

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    it has the words spam, auto-mation
     
  5. blackhatsufenta

    blackhatsufenta Newbie

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    i need to delete this - i was trying to figure out why i couldn't post the original post
     
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  6. artizhay

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    Automation is always spam.
     
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    For sure, but in 2013 I've been thinking, what is not? you know?

    things really have changed in regards to the term spam.

    everyone spams now in the world(bumper stickers, clubs, ideas), business(lawyers and doctors self-market now. lmao.), and online. The only ones who don't spam are the ones who are 100% consumers. Everyone else who produces, even if just their own vane posts on social media, is spamming(their self "brand," dislikes, +).

    If you think about it, even on BHW, the endgame is pretty much the same as every industry: big data. It's a little disappointing, I hope things change, because that world will be so boring unless production of new stuff can keep up to pace with marketing, just like how we wish hardware could keep up with software, which it cannot.

    I've had an apple and cup of coffee since lunch and I just flew completely off tangent here. and again

    What I'm asking here is: where is the art, man? That's where your ilk comes in; please produce art and put it out there, whoever likes any art that is reading this. It doesn't have to say a message to save the world, it just has to be nice. Then we will maybe see a start to the end of spam in general.
     
  8. smokeweedeatyogurt

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    I would definitely agree aut0mation in itself is sp4m.
     
  9. blackhatsufenta

    blackhatsufenta Newbie

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    Tumblr itself auto-mates the blogging process with its queue feature. Certainly everyone who uses this feature (method 1) is not guilty!
     
  10. blackhatsufenta

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    Methods 1 2 3 (and possibly 4) contain as much 'art' as the majority of tumblrs because they require the user to select pictures that he or she likes. Aside from photographers and artists who are actually creating new art, the majority of tumblrs are just reblogged (sp4mmed) content. The methods just allow you to do it more efficiently. Method 5 is the only one that could be argued differs significantly, but aside from the connoisseur or the computer, nobody else will be able to tell the diference. Most of tumblr is not art
     
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  11. michael8t6

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    I think sp4m comes into it when you are constantly setting a clikthru link to a external site there by forcing a user to view something they don't want to upon clicking.. That being said I have heard rumours that people are being banned for spam with a ratio of 10:1 being set with a clikthru so for every 10 posts only 1 has a clickthru!! Although this is a very very low scale of spam you're still sending the user to a destination they may not of wished to go to. Especially with the mobile redirects!! I mean say you post a picture of 2 horses galloping threw a field, set the clickthru to a blog about horses but put a mobile redirect on the blog from plugrush!!! That's going to be one very upset 10 year old girl!! She wanted to look at a pic of a horse and instead is greeted with.. Well yeah we know were that leads!!! So in that sense YES all the above would class as spam!!

    now onto the automation side of it, automation is not theoretically classed as spam.

    Definition of spam:

    Spam is an issue about consent, not content. Whether the Unsolicited message is an advert, a scam, porn, a begging letter or an offer of a free lunch, the content is irrelevant - if the message was sent unsolicited and in bulk then the message is spam.

    Quoted from spamhaus, basically as I said above, it's making a person or persons view a message, site, offer or any other form of monetisational product without there consent!! So in this case, if someone searched the term horse they're clearly looking for horses and not a tranny being spit-roasted. AUTOMATION IS NOT SPAM!!! It's used in helping to spam on a larger scale!!!

    Tbh I've said this from the start and stand by my word! Tumblr were hit so hard and fast with spam they kinda panicked and didn't know how to handle it so they rushed out a huge update which didn't only kill the legit spam accounts but actual genuine users at the same time! there some huge blog about people having to contact tumblr to get there blog reactivated! Hence why you could contact them and get it reactivated yourself!! But as time has gone by they've started to perfect there algo and are cracking down on it big time!! Proxys are pretty much extinct, as you said in the other thread OP where there's a will there's a way ;) but to the majority of spammers proxys are dead, look at the amount of changes to the site layout. You yourself have said you make your own scripts so should of noticed over the last few days the site has changed immensely!! Looks pretty slick now but caused problems for us botters! Back on track!! Tumblr didn't know how to handle it and to this day are still struggling to keep it under control, they're getting there but us spammers are adapting, it's like a war!! They're rolling out so many updates to there algo and to the site which shows they know they have a problem with us lot and they're trying there hardest to get it back under control!

    about the quality content issue!! You could spend all day ensurein that your tags match what's in the pic, post pics that are unique and not just re uploaded! But as soon as you post a clickthru link to the external site then in theory again it's classed as spam as the user may just want to enlarge the picture and not actually go to a external site there by forcing them to view something they didn't want to view in the first place!

    Anyways to the poll!! None of the above are in theory classed as sp4m

    Edit: This is the perfect example of spam http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/blackhat-lounge/554408-i-just-won-50k-usd.html

    The op didn't ask for the sender to email him, he didn't ask to be informed he has won 50k (be nice if it was true) and the sender is clearly trying to scam him in some way! Just because the sender probally used a bot to send it doesn't automatically make it spam!
     
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  12. terrycody

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    much thanks OP and michael8t6 LMAO nice avatar


    i just want to start a Tumblr journey, when i heard such situation, so scared.......

    lots of people got banned with no reason, maybe just like michael said, they just want to make everything under control.
     
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  13. janstastny

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    i love the poll results