What's the best programming language for BOT coding?

sam.hunt0710 · May 23, 2010

Which language do you recommend to develop bots.

1. C#

2. VB (classic)

3. Python

4. Perl

5. Delphi

Please suggest based on your coding experience.

smack · May 23, 2010

i don't recommend classic VB for anything these days. it had its purpose as a rapid development platform a few years ago, but now with the abilities of VB.NET it really doesn't have a use.

my vote goes for VB.NET or C#. these both give you the power and flexibility of a true OOP with the rapid development potential of two high level languages built on a robust framework.

now i can't speak specifically on Python, Perl, or Delphi since i don't work with them, but i always like to steer newer developers to .NET for many reasons. here are a few of them:

1.) as stated before, true OOP power built on a robust framework
2.) the ability to create windows, web, and mobile applications in the same language
3.) a massive community with loads of knowledge easily accessible through google
4.) excellent framework components geared towards allowing applications to interact with the internet such as HTTPWebRequest and the System.Sockets namespace

a huge consideration for bot design though is what you have experience with. if you have some intrinsic knowledge of any of those other languages then you may want to start there. good bots require good code, but by definition also need quick turn around time. thing change quickly in this industry, being able to properly adjust and respond is a huge asset to any developer.

ericsson · May 23, 2010

Do as YT does it.. Python

Or c# .. very fast..

zestoi · May 23, 2010

all really depends what the bot will be doing. if processing websites/text then generally its a no brainer as perl is the king of that. also ideal for fast prototyping.

if you want out and out performance then C or only slightly slower would be C++ or C#.

regarding "flexbility and power" of OOP - most OO (C++) projects i've had to work on have shown that not to be true. but if you like OO then it's not a bad way of working - depends on exactly what you want to do of course. OO in perl is very good if you use 'Moose' (checkout CPAN for that).

the only seriously well designed OO language is smalltalk and i wouldnt ever use that to code a bot lol.

voyevoda · May 24, 2010

Ruby.

Net::HTTP + WWW::Mechanize + Nokogiri = a lot done in not a lot of code.

Trivial to multithread, too.

zestoi said:
the only seriously well designed OO language is smalltalk and i wouldnt ever use that to code a bot lol.

Ruby is heavily inspired by Smalltalk. Anything that needs performance is done in raw C extensions.

Bartholomew · May 24, 2010

I know all these languages but Basic, and I strongly recommend Python for bots. Python is (1) dynamic, (2) has lots of libraries related to http, (3) programs writen in python are readable and short, (4) supports OOP, functional, declarative, procedural styles, (5) the programs will work on almost every OS you can imagine.
There are a few flaws in it tho. It's the slowest of the lot, it doesn't work with threads well (but as you're going to write bots, your threads will be in IO waiting state most of the time, so you won't see the difference).

>C#
Requires to write a lot of boilerplate code. Its' static typing is good for corporate development, but for bots I'd choose something other. You might choose c# tho if you need bots with GUI.
Also pure OOP is overrated shit. C# 3.5 goes in the right way with LINQ and expressions, but still it is not enough flexible for personal use. IMHO.

>VB (classic)
Legacy language, Delphi is better in every perspective but the price.

>4. Perl
Python can do everything Perl does, but easier. Perl language often produces "write-only" apps. The advantage of perl (and even more of php) is that it is supported by default on almost any hosting, even free one. Lots of scripts already done in perl, so you will have lots of working examples. It's usually slightly faster than python.

>Delphi
Inferior to C#. You might use Delphi if you need unmanaged GUI app, which does not require .Net framework, as it is usually easier to do this in Delphi than in C++. It will probably produce the fastest code of the lot, but if you're really after speed, I'd recommend C++ or pure C.

sumax · May 24, 2010

i vote for : python, java and c

Bartholomew · May 24, 2010

Java

Code:

[FONT=monospace]
[/FONT]class HelloWorldApp {
    public static void main(String[] args) {
        System.out.println("Hello World!"); 
    }
}

Python

Code:

print "Hello World!"

That's why I hate Java

kaidoristm · May 24, 2010

php for all the stuff

GeoffreyF67 · May 24, 2010

Lisp FTW

G-Man

elbeto · May 24, 2010

I wrote a post about it: http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackh...t-bots-huge-intro-discussions-kinds-more.html

I hope this can help...

djelica · May 24, 2010

Sorry for posting question in this thread but i wouldn't like to start new thread just because of one question which is related to OP's...

I want to build program mainly for FB automation, i would try to add some features like add friends, send suggestions and similar stuff. But the problem is, i have only basic knowledge in programming, to be exact, only basic Java programming.

I am currently learning Java in my college and i want to expand my skills a little bit. I would like to set mentioned program as my target, and learn while building it.

Is it achieveable using Java ?

Suggestions apperciated

zestoi · May 25, 2010

elbeto said:
I wrote a post about it: http://www.blackhatworld.com/blackhat-seo/black-hat-seo/188203-everything-about-bots-huge-intro-discussions-kinds-more.html

I hope this can help...

nice post there - but i wouldn't choose php. sure it can get the job done, but not as nicely/cleanly as many other languages. php was a hack from day 1 and they haven't gone back for a redesign. having said that if you mostly/only code in php then that makes php your best choice i suppose. most of my web coding these days is done in php - not because its a good language but because most people can easily get php hosting.

re: ruby+python... i forgot to mention these two, mostly because i don't use them very much or rather can't code in them well enough yet. from what i've seen though both are very rich and well designed languages. learning at least python is on my todo list when i have some time lol.

re: facebook+java... personally i stay away from java whenever possible. i've only spent maybe 4 years being forced to code java and that was because they paid me enough not because i liked the language

a quick google did show up a facebook api hosted on code.google so i'd suggest checking it out. i'm sure it's possible - but you can also guarantee it's going to take at least as three times as much code as in any other language (php included).

btw... not meant to be an attack on php... it is what it is... and i have to code a lot of php these days. it gets the job done and gets me paid, which at the end of the day is the main thing...

Tanksapka · May 25, 2010

"Which language do you recommend to develop bots?"

you have 2 choice: python or php these are the fastest and most productive langugaes to wrinting bots.

php originaly designed to web so that's why php is a little more porductive than python however you can find easily good python librarys. but i guess the best is php + javascript+ curl +simple_html_dom

kaidoristm · May 25, 2010

No worries

Now to protect php a bit i must say
If i have to choose between php and C# i would go with php.
Php is damn big it's not only variables and arrays. You can combine it without a problem with C .
You can build GUI applications with it much faster and easier than any other language. It's not limited to work only on server. You can compile entire php into one 2mb library and run it without any server or browser with nice GUI interface.

Cloaks · May 25, 2010

I'd go with Java any day. It's designed for applets and therefore it's easy to work with connections, sockets etc.. It's easy to learn, powerful, can be hosted online, etc.
But if you don't want to get into it a lot, go for Python!

frankeh · May 25, 2010

I use PHP because it's easy to learn, there's tons of examples and tutorials out there and you can host it anywhere.

Lack of multitasking is a problem for sure. Really is slowing down my web crawling ability.

bobski · May 25, 2010

FYI, you can now use Python and Ruby in .NET ...so you can get the best of all worlds (in theory!) I'm just starting to try Ironpython

Code:

http://ironpython.net/

http://ironruby.net/

I think you can also "mix-n-match" with other .NET languages, like C#. So you should be able to use c# modules alongside Python/Ruby modules in the same app. But as I said, I'm only just starting to play with Ironpython, so I may not have understood correctly

HTH

kaidoristm · May 25, 2010

frankeh said:
I use PHP because it's easy to learn, there's tons of examples and tutorials out there and you can host it anywhere.

Lack of multitasking is a problem for sure. Really is slowing down my web crawling ability.

Multitasking is not problem at all with php your only limited by your hosting.

frankeh · May 26, 2010

kaidoristm said:
Multitasking is not problem at all with php your only limited by your hosting.

I host at home.
PHP has no native multithreading ability.

I'm assuming you mean running multiple CLI instances of php at the same time?

If not, please go into more detail. It's driving me mad.

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