Techxan
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What Would You Do?
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redrubies
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I don't have the slightest idea any more. LOL
brickharbor
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At the end of the day he should of checked the insides even if you are a trusted by him, it's his job to thoroughly check the item before handing over money. I buy things from people I've known for 10 years and still check the items thoroughly in front of them and if there's a problem then i'll tell them straight away or not buy it.
Personally I wouldn't pay him back, it's his fault.
Personally I wouldn't pay him back, it's his fault.
srb888
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As a businessman, whatever he wants to do inside his hut is his own business. Of course he must have known that the watch was replica. He has trained himself in that niche, hasn't he? lol. He, may be, wanted to know how much it was worth actually, and may be, he found it the hard way when he opened it up.
He then may have realized that he wouldn't be making as much money on it later when the watch was minutely re-inspected. Of course he would not give much to your own feelings and he thought he could get back his money by uttering the T word. I don't say that he was wrong, and any business person would do the same.
Another incident comes to my mind... it shows how a really shrewd business person judges his clients/partners secretly and much in advance before committing to a partnership deal, and then only thinks about the long- and short-term business activities with the other person:
It was around 1989, and I had just began my career in programming. While working at a client's place, a friend of that client walked in casually and chatted with me. Later he called me to his office for further discussions about his project - a full accounting package that he wanted, and especially wanted a tracking module for his 'inventory' that was a lot more important.
I went to his office the following day. He got me seated across his long table. There were small mountains of diamonds lying in front of him. There were low level lights highlighting the shine and glare. I had never ever seen so many 'stones' in my life. I kept my sight away from them though.
He chatted casually for another 2-3 minutes and asked me to be comfortable while he left the room saying that he would come in minutes. I was alone there. There were atleast 100 or 200 (may be, a lot more) diamonds in front of me across that table. The person came after almost 40 minutes. I felt that he was watching my moves secretly, or was there hidden camera? Possible. I never even lifted my hands.. I sat there like another stone. lol
Later he took me to another room, where a small crowd of diamond cutters and other merchants were gathering. He introduced me to some of he most famous diamond merchants in Mumbai. I saw how they did their business... small paper packets filled with diamonds were passed along freely, and not a word of account was written down. Everything went by the word. Absolutely!
So this is how they build the trust. Word of mouth are more precious to them and they respect each other. Millions of rupees worth of diamonds changed hands that evening, but I didn't see any one writing down any thing. There were figures thrown around and everyone knew what they were doing.
The point is: cheating one another in business can mean the end of business life. Reputation and trust is what counts even while trading millions and billions. Of course, the reputation and trust is never built in haste or in blind faith.
You are of course capable of judging what's right or wrong, and you must also be well trained to make those judgements fast and based on the situation. So I wouldn't blame you or any one if you do not wish to see that face again.
Deep inside, you must have known that he didn't do what was needed, and then he used a huge word like T in duping you further. There are many facets to any situation and you may be absolutely right in taking the decision that you'll eventually take.
He then may have realized that he wouldn't be making as much money on it later when the watch was minutely re-inspected. Of course he would not give much to your own feelings and he thought he could get back his money by uttering the T word. I don't say that he was wrong, and any business person would do the same.
Another incident comes to my mind... it shows how a really shrewd business person judges his clients/partners secretly and much in advance before committing to a partnership deal, and then only thinks about the long- and short-term business activities with the other person:
It was around 1989, and I had just began my career in programming. While working at a client's place, a friend of that client walked in casually and chatted with me. Later he called me to his office for further discussions about his project - a full accounting package that he wanted, and especially wanted a tracking module for his 'inventory' that was a lot more important.
I went to his office the following day. He got me seated across his long table. There were small mountains of diamonds lying in front of him. There were low level lights highlighting the shine and glare. I had never ever seen so many 'stones' in my life. I kept my sight away from them though.
He chatted casually for another 2-3 minutes and asked me to be comfortable while he left the room saying that he would come in minutes. I was alone there. There were atleast 100 or 200 (may be, a lot more) diamonds in front of me across that table. The person came after almost 40 minutes. I felt that he was watching my moves secretly, or was there hidden camera? Possible. I never even lifted my hands.. I sat there like another stone. lol
Later he took me to another room, where a small crowd of diamond cutters and other merchants were gathering. He introduced me to some of he most famous diamond merchants in Mumbai. I saw how they did their business... small paper packets filled with diamonds were passed along freely, and not a word of account was written down. Everything went by the word. Absolutely!
So this is how they build the trust. Word of mouth are more precious to them and they respect each other. Millions of rupees worth of diamonds changed hands that evening, but I didn't see any one writing down any thing. There were figures thrown around and everyone knew what they were doing.
The point is: cheating one another in business can mean the end of business life. Reputation and trust is what counts even while trading millions and billions. Of course, the reputation and trust is never built in haste or in blind faith.
You are of course capable of judging what's right or wrong, and you must also be well trained to make those judgements fast and based on the situation. So I wouldn't blame you or any one if you do not wish to see that face again.
Deep inside, you must have known that he didn't do what was needed, and then he used a huge word like T in duping you further. There are many facets to any situation and you may be absolutely right in taking the decision that you'll eventually take.
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Of course. Regardless of professionalism, isn't it normal for a person to make sure you get what you're paying for? Although it may not be a lot of money to other people, $1,000 is a lot of money to me. I would be damn well sure that I would be paying for a quality watch before I shell out that kind of money. I'm pretty sure that this would apply to a lot of people anyway before they spend any money anyway. He checked it out and said it was fine, and paid you. If he didn't inspect it properly, then that's his fault. Even if the watch was a fake, he had the opportunity to turn it down. It's his problem if he got greedy and jumped on it without thinking twice.
Edit: Now that I think of it, it would probably be more embarrassing for him than for you if he told people that he bought a fake watch. People would go "You've been in this for 20 years, how can you possibly buy a fake watch for $1,000? Aren't you a professional?" It would probably damage his own reputation more than yours
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He should have inspected it. I'm sure that plenty of customers have bought from him, only to go home and find a scratch or an imperfection. I'm guessing that he doesn't just refund people if they did not inspect the item properly. This is his problem. If he is a good friend of yours, you may want to keep the peace so he buys again in the future, but if he's just a guy who is out to buy and sell, I'd move on to a new buyer.
redrubies
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I just found a terrible typo in my first post. LOL It should say "He opened the watch and it did not have swiss movement. This watch was supposed to have swiss movement." Not that it makes any difference to the dilemma. Just thought I'd clarify my ditzy moment.
srb888
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On third thought...
May be he has replaced the original inside with the fake. Then got back his $1,000 and also kept the original engine (may be kept the original body too and gave you only a duplicate which he already had)?
Recalling... have you said you had the number (only on the back cover) before you gave it? Then it is possible that he gave the body back and kept the original engine...
Possible?
hmm... yeh...
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Send a dummy customer to him and see if that watch or a similar one is among his other collection... obviously not asking for the exact same thing.
Obviously you are also right about the purse example. Why would he ever want to put in jewels or whatever inside an original valuable piece? He looks shady to me now, and also very very stupid.
Hold on to the money for another week or so and send him that fake customer in the mean time...
May be he has replaced the original inside with the fake. Then got back his $1,000 and also kept the original engine (may be kept the original body too and gave you only a duplicate which he already had)?
Recalling... have you said you had the number (only on the back cover) before you gave it? Then it is possible that he gave the body back and kept the original engine...
Possible?
hmm... yeh...
P.S.:
Send a dummy customer to him and see if that watch or a similar one is among his other collection... obviously not asking for the exact same thing.
Obviously you are also right about the purse example. Why would he ever want to put in jewels or whatever inside an original valuable piece? He looks shady to me now, and also very very stupid.
Hold on to the money for another week or so and send him that fake customer in the mean time...
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redrubies
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That's also what my mother thinks. LOL The whole family weighed in on this one. LOL
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Btw, does he have a website where he would put up the watch for sale, now or later? If he is really stupid and carefree over-smart AH0le (he seems to be the full combo), he would having forgotten you as another easy kill...
If not, (he is only offline type), send him a potential buyer soon.
The reputation and trust can take a backseat for a while... you can always give him $500 cash and a $500 credit (just negotiate, don't give anything yet) for a while and see what turns up with your little espionage work.
All the while show him that you look as surprised and confused as he thinks till you can nail him... somehow. I think you will enjoy doing this even if everything is clear in the end -- for him.
I think most businesspersons would either pay up or opt to not pay. You too will have to take your choice, but why not find out what's the actual truth!
I am feeling that he has tried his little game on the wrong person.
If not, (he is only offline type), send him a potential buyer soon.
The reputation and trust can take a backseat for a while... you can always give him $500 cash and a $500 credit (just negotiate, don't give anything yet) for a while and see what turns up with your little espionage work.
All the while show him that you look as surprised and confused as he thinks till you can nail him... somehow. I think you will enjoy doing this even if everything is clear in the end -- for him.
I think most businesspersons would either pay up or opt to not pay. You too will have to take your choice, but why not find out what's the actual truth!
I am feeling that he has tried his little game on the wrong person.
redrubies
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Btw, does he have a website where he would put up the watch for sale, now or later? If he is really stupid and carefree over-smart AH0le (he seems to be the full combo), he would having forgotten you as another easy kill...
If not, (he is only offline type), send him a potential buyer soon.
The reputation and trust can take a backseat for a while... you can always give him $500 cash and a $500 credit (just negotiate, don't give anything yet) for a while and see what turns up with your little espionage work.
All the while show him that you look as surprised and confused as he thinks till you can nail him... somehow. I think you will enjoy doing this even if everything is clear in the end -- for him.
I think most businesspersons would either pay up or opt to not pay. You too will have to take your choice, but why not find out what's the actual truth!
I am feeling that he has tried his little game on the wrong person.
He had a website that was just a local jeweler site. When I went to the site the other day to find the phone number because my notebook was upstairs and I was too lazy to get it, I saw that the site was under construction. Maybe he is going to turn it into a store.
redrubies
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I didn't do anything. He told me to pay him back the next time I came in.
And did you? I'm not judging btw, just find this moral condumdrum quite interesting! Jim x
Yes. Everything has consequences, I don't go asking ad networks for my money back because I fucked up on a PPC campaign. An idiot and his money are easily parted, this guy has been an idiot by not checking things before hand. He should suck it up and learn his lesson. If we all had someone running around trying to put right our mistakes we'd never learn.
redrubies
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No, not yet. I go in whenever a new box of antiques comes in.