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Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by zabSE, May 25, 2008.

  1. zabSE

    zabSE Newbie

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    Hello.

    I'm going to be honest. firstly - havok, please don't get the big red stick out.

    I think I need to e-whore :( Sadly my income upto this current moment in time is approximately £0. I'm living in a foreign country, and i'm rapidly running out of goverment food vouchers (bank-notes).

    So it's came to the final few options before my internet connection dies, I run out of food, or I start to sleep in the subway.....
    First I tried stuffing cookies - I wrote my own script which worked for eveything but only 1 in 100 clicks actually registered which was strange.. In the end i had about 150 people stuffed, but no sales *gasp*

    After which i tried adwords and ran up a massive 50 clicks with 0 conversions, I have realised that my credit card has now died. So in a very short period of time my hosting will too.

    Then I thought ok I'll go back to playing online poker - its a grind but in the right rooms it's an easy $20 a day...But the country I live in (thailand) is notoriously corrupt and fraudulant so international banks won't deal with them and all thai ips are banned from gambling sites... I was messing around with filmys fantastic roulette system too which managed to work quite well in practice mode over 2 days too.. (then i tried 2 deposit money and found out thailand is blacklisted)

    Anyways today I got an e-mail from a friend asking me to debug a php script.. f()()king bast has went and skinned me for $100 of work.. so now my old freelancing opportunities have dried up im trying to source some freelancing stuff on GAF to cover the bills but i'm getting raped by indians who can complete work faster than me.

    With all that said - i'm left for a few barrel scrapers.

    EWHORING - BLOGGING - and what else ?

    i would appreciate any affiliate links for e-whoring as i believe the ones suggested previously have dried up or like to convert to revshare ??

    anyways, this isn't meant to be a begging post or anything at all, but if you can help me out with a little advice, i would be overjoyed.

    oh.. if anyone needs a neophyte.. give me a call. :):):):p:p;);):D:D
     
  2. boomboomer

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    You seem to write decent English ... write articles and sell unique ones man .. It sounds simple and boring but it still works and will keep working. Ask people whether they would pay you $50 for 10 good quality unique articles and I bet you can find takers on any marketing forum - this one, dp, wf wherever.

    I think 50-100 a day should be decent to keep going in Thailand.

    Finally, don't look for shortcuts ..
     
  3. samloron

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    I was caught at ? ?I wrote my own script?. Many of us wish we can code so well it seems you can, that?s the money right there. Start coding tools to sell on forums and/or sites where there are live users, digital point as an example. It seems urgent ? start coding solely to sell your tools and the money you acquire you can grow your business surely. You can use that money to invest into other methods and ventures.

    Believe me when I say it ? you cannot start a business with 0$. You would need to have money to buy services like hosting and domains, etc. you have a skill so you need to use it because that?s something you could do that others really can?t.

    Read around some methods and tactics on here and instead of directly doing it now (since the case seems urgent) you can code something to automate some part of the method or the method on the whole. That is what you should do. Code something sell it and build your online business from thereon.
     
  4. zabSE

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    that's a valuable post right there mate. Thanks.

    I guess I could try something unique to this forum - some donation ware to start with. At the minute my biggest fear is my quality is not quite there yet, so I guess giving away say 10 copies in lieu of donation would perhaps be a start to boost my own confidence and reputation..... hmm. I have some ideas right now.

    and i'm also a strong believe in the whole money makes money thing hence my endeavours on gaf, not only to pay the rent, but to give me some cash for server space etc. needless to say i have 6 days left of my dedi server, and 50 .infos as well a handful of dotcoms.

    Okay - 1st challenge for me is to get payment from my colleague who owes me $50 for the work i've done, and $600 for the work i'm about to do but im 80% sure he's not going to pay. I have his server logins so I could kill him but to be honest, I'm not a bad person like that.. even if it does mean i can't eat - two wrongs don't make a right...
     
  5. The Scarlet Pimp

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    If you can write your own code, then download some popular software and rewrite it. Add some needed features and drop the poorly written ones.

    Consider bird-dogging... that's pretty much what I do. :D

    tsp
     
  6. MaestroDelWeb

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    Your major advantage is the coding. Even if you were slow and did a half way decent job you can easily pull in about $100 a day doing tasks for other people. Register for multiple forums and also don't forget about script sites (ex. VBulletin, OSCommerce, phpBB, Dolphin, etc...) there are always people looking for tasks to be done, whether it be installations or modding. Modding is big bucks nowadays. Learn some of the major products that people are paying for mods and do custom jobs.
     
  7. zabSE

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    cheers. I have done maybe half a million words worth of articles. I'll be honest, I was afraid for my health. I already have some mild rheumatism due to computers, and I realised that writing articles - whilst an easy way to earn some dollar, long term is actually bad for your health.

    But on the plus side, you to learn alot about general knolwedge, just it will kill your fingers!
    In the UK, on a cold day, I used to wake up to very painful joints every morning, nowadays in thailand, its not so bad, only really when i do excessive typing ( 20k+ words a day) that I get flare-ups..

    Oh. I'm only 23.. LOL

    TSP - I've not heard the bird-dogging moniker before, what exactly is it ?
     
  8. The Scarlet Pimp

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    Bird-dogging is when you dredge up business for a business. Case in point, I locate (IE, "bird dog") people who want to sell lottery payments, mortgage notes, business royalties, inheritances, trust funds, etc. and broker them to investors.

    I email the client's particulars to the investor, the investor quotes a fee to me, I deduct a couple of thousand and then offer the rest to the client. I keep the difference... :D

    Last year I made $7,000. on one insurance deal. And right now I've got a $1 million lottery prize to bird-dog to an investor. If it closes I could make up to $5,000. on this deal. Out of all the things I've tried over the years, this is the only business that has ever made me any serious money.

    My only costs are my web site and some Adwords campaigns. :cool:


    tsp
     
  9. zabSE

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    Sounds like your the professional go-between man !

    How did you get into it all? do you operate wholly online ?

    Thanks. I really would like to look into this more.
     
  10. chillyd

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    sounds like that cash note system on tv.
     
  11. The Scarlet Pimp

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    Everybody who is in this business (and there are *literally* thousands of us) started out the same way... they bought a get-rich-quick ebook or course on investing in mortgage notes. Some people did well, other people did not do well. I did not do well...

    So.... I started looking into other financial avenues, these fields are all loosely connected, and over the years I tried legal judgements, business notes, viatical settlements, commercial financing, lawsuit funding, A/R factoring, medical factoring, loans to doctors, credit factoring, oil brokering (a non-existent business!), pension funding, etc. etc. etc. ad nauseum...

    After running up sky-high business expenses that almost put me in the poor house, I started focusing on the fields that had the most potential and dropped the fields that offered little chance of success.

    If I hadn't smartened up, I'd likely be in serious dire straights right now. :eek:
    These businesses are all North American specific, so they may not be suitable for someone who is in a distant land, unfortunately. :(

    Good luck!

    tsp
     
  12. Mudvaine

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    Scarlet, Sounds like you should do an info product/ebook and market it. I bet there are lots of peeps who would like to know your process of being a in between man..er woman lol.

    Unless it's already been done of course. Just a thought!
     
  13. The Scarlet Pimp

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    To date nobody has written anything about this field. I've actually considered writing a comprehensive ebook/info course, but since I don't even read the ebooks I already have, I doubt that I'd ever be able to write one. :D :D :D

    Unfortunately it would also look like just another get-rich-quick ripoff ebook and nobody would buy it. :p

    tsp
     
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    my advice for quick cash is offer to do people a joomla website - your host may already offer one click install with fantastico... if not since your a coder you shouldnt have any problems installing it its pretty straight forward anyway!

    there are some good free joomla templates that you can use... if your that desperate you can always swipe some of the commercial ones i dont condone that but if its a matter of being homeless or not then you do what you have to...

    you can have a site up in less than an hour and charge say $500 and get 50% down so as to give you some ready cash! Search craigslist for people wanting a cheap website or even post it... if need be simply charge a no brainer $100 just to get cash in your pocket! but make sure you follow through so as to get good recommendations!!!

    when you get really familiar with joomla you can be charging easily upwards of $1000

    when you get on your feet get a developer package with the better template sites...

    hope that helps - good luck!
     
  16. zabSE

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    that's all food for thought. Right nwo I have to say thankyou. There hasn't been one un-helpful comment at all. Let me give you a little update.

    I've got some freelance work I'm doing, but today i found myself thinking, I really am the maker of my own problems. its all about getting pro-active and moving towards a goal. At the minute the most realistic goal is to make my living doing php debugging and script installs.. its a skill too many people can't do or are too lazy to do for themselves.

    Once i've paid the rent and got enough in my paypal account to rent a vps for 3 months, I can start doing some self-development. Task one, I have a cookie stuffer script that cleans referrers. I also have a way to cloak referrer to your website. I'm going to give it a front-end, zend it up and sell it for $50 dollars..

    I was looking at buying some domain names last night, and it really did shock me at how few quality names are still available. I done a search for every number from 1 - 5000 and there were only maybe 10 .com available (123.com 1234.com etc..) this was after being frustrated looking for some good names.

    today i tried signing up with the cc for a virtual server and it got declined. sux :|
    my current freelancing work will pay directly into my bank, and its not easy for me to send money into the net from thailand,

    so my first order of internet business. get $150 in my paypal account, and I can rent a quality VPS for 3 months.

    i'm going to give myself 7 days.. starting from now.

    today I bid on 7 projects at getafreelancer, i went the extramile - pdf my cv and a covering letter to every one I bid on.

    Results :: 10 bids 0 projects accepted my offers. They apparently want me to work for $1 per hour. Am I wrong to value my skills higher than this ? I admit I'm desperate for money, but this is a joke...


    ok. back to work at least i have my thai freelancing for now.

    god damned internet slavery.
     
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    Join the club. I've spent the last two days trying to find a good domain name, and so far I've found ONE generic name that is just barely passable. Everything good is registered. :(

    Since I'll be using BH tactics, I'll need a domain that I can risk losing. :D

    tsp
     
  18. Diabolik

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    Since you're in Thailand you could always become a ladyboy and start a site with a cheap webcam. Any dresses, silky underwear or ping pong balls? Might come in handy...
     
  19. zabSE

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    Diabolik :: kun pen kathoey mai ?


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    Today i paid $12 to gaf to get gold status. I'm going to hopefully be able to bid more each day and the little icon will help me get jobs.

    right now i am trying to do some forum stuffing. I need to get it working, and find a way to stuff. i've done 3 small forums, and the stats show around 10 visits each...
    im going to set up some more today..
     
  20. zabSE

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    Okay - 12 hours or however it has been later,

    my bids on gaf have not been accepted. I got 3 pms from people asking if I could work for half the price. They wanted me to work for a dollar an hour.
    :(
    So I've also been looking at keyword stuffing forums.. I thought to myself, why not try and stuff some forums, it's not too hard to do, and if i get banned, what has it cost me ?

    okay, and I logged into my adsense account to find out i had £4. Can I use CPA to make a return on this £4??

    It's funny there's been a shit load of advice here already, yet i'm still stumbling in the dark.. LOL

    let's see what has been suggested ::

    1. writing articles for cash
    2. spinning php applications
    3. selling scripts i write
    4. writing code for other people
    5. bird-dogging
    6. spinning joomla websites on craigslist
    7. becoming a ladyboy

    Okay.

    1. I can do but it's long, hard and painful work (literally)
    2. What do you want written?
    3. My bespoke scripts most probably
    4. I do this at the minute. The hardest part? getting paid.
    5. Cool idea, but i can't
    6. I'm actually thinking about this
    7. Ok. To do this, you will have to pay me big bucks.

    the number one enemy of human development ? self doubt and procrastination. I guarantee you that is what is stopping 90% of people from taking risks and making money.

    What are my next steps ??

    1. finish my freelancing stuff for my thai friend.
    2. try and get some hosting. (again)
    3. make an improved personal-freelancing website.
    4. get some visitors

    that's gonna take time. im going to work a bit more on gaf. I get 150 posts a month and i've used 20 today. If i don't get one job out of 150 posts, I am sure there must be a problem with me..

    Because there's been some helpful posts, I may as well spoil it and ask a rude quesstion.

    Does anyone want my help ?
    Can I do *anything* for anyone ?

    Please ? :)