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What to do with my previous penalized domain ? Please advice

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by Nedie, Jan 28, 2015.

  1. Nedie

    Nedie Junior Member

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    Hey BHW,

    I'm actually wondering on how I can use my previous domain name to get more conversions on my new one.

    My last domain name (exact match) was penalized by the last Google update because of anchor optimization and I lost all rankings in Google SERPs. I renewed it "in case of" and bought a new one (brand domain name) to rebuild my business from scratch.

    I'd like to know what is best to do to get new conversions to my new website because the old one is still getting some traffic thanks to link building coming from web 2.0 and wikipedia link.

    I thought about several options and would like to get advice :

    - Run it as satellite website : try to remove all bad links and reconquer my previous rankings.
    - 301 redirect to my new website. I'm afraid that the penalty will pass on new website but previous website was PA34/DA21.
    - Run an aweber campaign offering discount on my new website products or anything else for mail list building.
    - ...

    Share your thoughts please ! Thanks
    Nedie
     
  2. Nut-Nights

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    302 to new website. Dont waste time on old domain and offer discount on new website to buiild mail list.
     
  3. Nedie

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    I'm not thinking about a temporary solution + I'd like to keep the old website as far as possible of my new clean business.
     
  4. SERPkiller

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    I would try to relaunch the penalized website with new content and try to remove all the backlinks. I wouldn't like to associated a new domain with a penalized one.
     
  5. howard_hughes

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    buy a new site in same niche, 301 redirect old site to new one. wait 2 days. You're golden.
     
  6. Nedie

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    Old website got penalized because of crappy links and over anchor optimization. Still a good idea to 301 ?
     
  7. Nedie

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    Still listening to your advice guys ! Thanks
     
  8. Zwielicht

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    Some people will tell you that penalties can be passed via 301 (permanent) redirect and others will tell you they cannot (or that it depends on the penalty). Since your domain was penalised for low-quality backlinks (and 301 redirects transfer 85-90% of the link juice procured from those backlinks), I would personally avoid associating the new domain with the old penalised domain with a 301 redirect.
     
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  9. Nedie

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    Exactly what I was thinking. I'd like to keep my new website as clean as possible and leave no footprints from the previous one. What would you advice for the old domain name ? List building ? Thanks Zwielicht
     
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  10. Nedie

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    Any advice is still welcomed !
     
  11. zagard

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    :1: i wil go with 301 solution bcs if penalty really can pas from 301 then u can just 301 it to your competitor
     
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    Trying to fix it up is going to take way too much time and effort. 301 it as people have said to a new website or turn it into a PBN.
     
  13. Nedie

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    That's evil thinking :D:firedevil. Didn't thought about this option but I'll maybe try this on competitors ranking 5-6 in SERPs and see how it goes.
    Yet, this is very blackhat and I prefer concentrate on getting conversions.
     
  14. howard_hughes

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    if your site is brand new, not making any money, redirect it to your site. Penalty wont pass through (in short term) - tested and verified ;)

    If you redirect to competitor, you'll probably end up giving a GIFT to them. even if you manage to get them penalized, that wud be negative SEO (killing someone's hard work) and guess what.. it wont improve your own ranking. FYI negative seo isn't a blackhat move, its D-bag move.


    Personally, i would never do something to another persons site, that I wouldn't like to get done to mine. (Think How'd you feel if someone did that to you)

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    If you redirect the domain to a competitor in order to transfer the penalty (and yes the penalty will be transferred) you have to block the most common backlink bots via htaccess to decrease the chances of the domain owner find the 301 redirect and investigate further when he is checking his backlink profile.

    If he finds the redirected domain he can easily pull it through web.archive and get your contact info and other info about your business to track down you and your new domain.
     
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    If you are really keen on keeping the old site, you will need to remove all the bad links and submit a reconsideration request.

    Bad Links - You'll need to download all the backlinks, email the owners to take the links down. After that, for the links that are still up, make up a disavow file and submit it to Google Webmasters Tools. There are some services that offer this as a service if you want to outsource it.

    Reconsideration Request - If you haven't already, you'll need to add your website to Webmasters Tools, and you should receive a warning about your penalty. After the bad links are removed, you will need to submit a reconsideration request. They might go back and forth with you a few times and show you samples of bad links pointing to your site, but eventually they will lift the penalty - this can take some time, 1-2 weeks with each request.
     
  17. Nedie

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    Yeah that's why I said it was very blackhat and I don't think this is the best option. To 301 or not to 301 that is the question. I definitly won't redirect it to my new brand name domain as it is like playing russian roulette.
    Maybe I should buy again a new domain and redirect to this one...

    In the meantime, I'm going to continue list building because I'm still getting 1 prospect every 1-2 days.
     
  18. Aleksandrius

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    I have had the same problem as you since the last Google update and lost all rankings regarding this domain.
    My domain was ranking #1 for the main keyword.
    But after the update it was removed from the SERP (NOT deindexed).
    I waited for a month, after that bought a new one and redirected the old.
    My new domain was ranked #2 though in the same day.

    Then, one month later, I decided to experiment with the old domain.
    So I removed the 301 redirect.
    And there it was, 2 days later, the old domain was back in SERP.
    Almost two months from this and it's standing at #2 with no problem.
    #1 is some stupid facebook page (don't understand Google sometimes).
     
  19. Nedie

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    Thanks for your feedback and experience Aleksandrius. Why were you deindexed on SERPs ? Did you make any change on old website before 301 redirect to the new one ?

    How are going both websites now ?
    Regards
     
  20. TerribleBones

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    You could maintain both aiming to eventually rank both of them.