What the hell is this COVID about?

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JackTheBlack said:
I don't really see better times coming for the entire population/workforce. In regards to IM this is the best time.
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IMO the vaccine is the only way out of this mess. Soon as it comes out, things begin to improve exponentially.
 
Like I said IMO this thread should be closed.

Trolls and conspiracy nuts will ruin the forum like they ruined so many other communities.
 
bartosimpsonio said:
Like I said IMO this thread should be closed.

Trolls and conspiracy nuts will ruin the forum like they ruined so many other communities.
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The virus is real. Thread will not ruin community. Stop this conspiracy shit.
 
kvvni said:
The virus is real
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No one can deny that this virus is real otherwise they are idiots.
AngelSeo said:
Good, that lawmakers did not listen to people like you in the past 60-70 years, otherwise a significant percentage of us 1. Wont be a live at all, or 2. Would be crippled.
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Just take a look at the studies. Your "significant percentage" is lower than 1%
> Would be crippled.
Never heard of this claim
 
bartosimpsonio said:
I think the virus engineers need to work on this virus a bit more.

It's obviously killing the wrong 1%
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Get out with these conspiracy theories. The virus is real. I'm sick of this conspiratorial shit. The virus is real. Stop questioning it. The virus is real.

 
When hysteria takes over, common sense does not have a chance and that is what is going on with this virus. The tests are very inaccurate, giving many false positive results. Masks and social distancing are not the answer as many claim, most of those who have died from the virus also were suffering from other health problems, and the survival rate overall is quite high.
 
joseph15 said:
Why are we acting like people don't die (needlessly) already though? Every year dozens of millions of people die from diabetes, obesity, heart disease, lung cancer, driving, influenza combined --- yet I don't see any media outrage or government intervention stopping me from eating 20 doughnuts a day, smoking, or driving.
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I don't understand the driving part, but I have made the same arguments when it comes influenza, because I find it frustrating that it's never taken serious. But a key difference between that and other things on your list are that they don't have the ability to cripple our health care system. On top of that, it's killing health care workers and first-responders where as with influenza they would normally be vaccinated for.

People may die needlessly eating themselves to death, smoking, or something else, but they're making a choice to do that to themselves. There's even people that make the decision not to take influenza vaccines. Also, just because someone has diabetes, heart disease, lung cancer, doesn't mean they're eating unhealthy, obese, or have ever smoked a cigerette in their life. And doesn't "dozens of millions" sound a bit exaggerated? Or are you referring to the entire world?

In regards to driving, it's way less deadly than COVID, but people driving also know the risk too. If you seen my previous posts you'll know I like to compare drinking and driving to covid lol We should be allowed to drink and drive!


joseph15 said:
I don't know whether or not this is about the government controlling us, China destroying the economy, Trump losing the election, etc. but I think it is silly to say that those things at the very least aren't plausible. Nothing is off the table when something unprecedented happens.
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Anything is plausible. It's also plausible to say Donald Trump made the virus and released it into China to frame them -- but doesn't change the fact that they're just conspiracy theories with no evidence.


joseph15 said:
Numbers don't lie though and the numbers say young/healthy people are mostly fine. Let the young people go out, advise young people who live with old/compromised people to take extra precaution, and set up government-funded free delivery services for all people who are at a high risk.
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I'm not saying it's a bad idea, but it may be more complicated than it sounds. I don't know all the numbers or details, but is it possible you're underestimating how many people actually have these conditions?

If the numbers really don't lie, then 1 in 2 Americans have pre-existing conditions according to "https://www.cms.gov/CCIIO/Resources/Forms-Reports-and-Other-Resources/preexisting". Many of which could be mandatory workers in our healthcare system or elsewhere.

Just some random Google searches:
"At least 48 percent of U.S. adults have some form of cardiovascular disease, based on the latest statistics provided by the American Heart Association."
https://www.cardiosmart.org/news/20...-of-americans-have-some-form-of-heart-disease
"34.2 million Americans—just over 1 in 10—have diabetes. 88 million American adults—approximately 1 in 3—have prediabetes."
https://www.cdc.gov/diabetes/library/features/diabetes-stat-report.html
"There are more than 200 different forms of primary immune deficiency diseases (PIDDs) affecting approximately 500,000 people in the United States. These rare genetic diseases may be chronic, debilitating, and costly."
https://www.niaid.nih.gov/diseases-conditions/primary-immune-deficiency-diseases-pidds
So I would question, are there even enough experienced workers to take over all the mandatory jobs? Would they be understaffed? What about the hospitals? What happens when the young people who go out, get infected, then start pouring into the hospital with severe symptoms and/or there's an accidental outbreak at a nursing home? Yes most young people won't need a hospital and most that do go to the hospital will survive (possibly with life-long damage to their organs), but what about the impact it has on our health care system? Will it cause more deaths in non-covid situations due to being overwhelmed/delays/ lack of staff? Will it be plausible / realistic financially (and in terms of having tons of workers) to keep all these people at home with ongoing deliveries and government support? Isn't that basically a lockdown anyways? Is it even fair for those who have to stay home? The other young people go out and cause the cases to skyrocket. So the people in lockdown have to stay locked down even longer. Basically permanently until they can get some sort of vaccine.


joseph15 said:
There are countries who didn't lockdown at all (Sweden) and countries that locked down HARD (Germany, other europe) and guess what? 9 months in, we're all fu*ked the same. But at least Sweden didn't suffer the other effects like economic crisis, suicides, etc. It's impossible for humans to "lock down" and kill the virus in 2 weeks like everyone dreams of doing, because we are collectively too dumb to do it. So, the next best thing is to live with it and protect the weak.
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You're saying 9 months in, Germany is not better off? By my calculations, they've slowed the virus and possibly saved as much as 35,000 lives (or more). I understand the suicides and economic crisis stuff, but how do we determine if that outweighs the lives saved? If Germany has 10000 suicides in a year, and the suicide rate goes up by 100% (10,000 more suicides), will that outweigh the 35,000 saved lives? But will it even go up by 100%? Or at all? I don't know. So far from what I've seen, it sounds like a lot of the data is from predictions based on surveys they did asking people about their suicidal feelings and other mental health questions. Not saying the predictions won't come true, but thinking something and doing something are two totally different things. Places in Canada have surprisingly been reporting lower rates in suicide since the pandemic started.

Not saying I support any random lockdown, and I do believe these predictions (or stats if any) are something important to consider when doing a lockdown, but at the same time, a lockdown is more than just a pipedream to try and kill the virus. There's many other factors involved. Most importantly to slow down the virus and make sure the health care system doesn't fall.
 
cantonman said:
When hysteria takes over, common sense does not have a chance and that is what is going on with this virus. The tests are very inaccurate, giving many false positive results. Masks and social distancing are not the answer as many claim, most of those who have died from the virus also were suffering from other health problems, and the survival rate overall is quite high.
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Where did you get your degree? How do you know so much more than medical professionals / scientists? lol
 
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