vivalafeva
Elite Member
- Sep 16, 2008
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ha mark do you feel it should be this way because u have over 400 posts and 200 thanks and have been a member of the forum for 3 months now?
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What is up with JR VIP?
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ha mark do you feel it should be this way because u have over 400 posts and 200 thanks and have been a member of the forum for 3 months now?
polymorphs
Newbie
- May 1, 2008
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Didn't join then, joined well over a year ago. My original account was deleted in the recent ***** attack. Clix kindly restored me to my former glory, but couldn't give me back my post count, orig join date etc. Not to worried about those things though because I try not to be post count whore etc. The date stuff is a mystery to me though.
kayzne
Power Member
- Dec 26, 2007
- 705
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Voting is a good idea.
Would be not too difficult to implement.
MODS AND ADMINS, HERE IS A PROCESS YOU COULD USE:
Create a questionaire and pledge, an aptitude and knowledge test of sorts. Upon successful completion of the test, and having enough required posts, candidate will be upgraded to a "Certified" orange color status and will now have access to the newly created "Applications for VIP" forum. Users will then post their applications with only their name as the title. quick links to their thanked posts and a poll with either, yes, or no. MODS, ADMINS, Exec and jr vips will then have the chance to vote on and interrogate or give a testimonal to new potentials, a minimum vote % of 80 positive should be needed for inclusion. Users are put on the chopping block for one week.
Upon acceptance, user donates and is upgraded.
Edit: By mimicing a BST atitude of quality, charge 5 dollars per application post with no garuntee of acceptance.
Would be not too difficult to implement.
MODS AND ADMINS, HERE IS A PROCESS YOU COULD USE:
Create a questionaire and pledge, an aptitude and knowledge test of sorts. Upon successful completion of the test, and having enough required posts, candidate will be upgraded to a "Certified" orange color status and will now have access to the newly created "Applications for VIP" forum. Users will then post their applications with only their name as the title. quick links to their thanked posts and a poll with either, yes, or no. MODS, ADMINS, Exec and jr vips will then have the chance to vote on and interrogate or give a testimonal to new potentials, a minimum vote % of 80 positive should be needed for inclusion. Users are put on the chopping block for one week.
Upon acceptance, user donates and is upgraded.
Edit: By mimicing a BST atitude of quality, charge 5 dollars per application post with no garuntee of acceptance.
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oscarslater
Regular Member
- Mar 13, 2008
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I agree with this. How it's done is the hard part.
I am not tecky in anyway but I do know marketing inside out as i have been doing it for over 20 years so getting to Jr VIP for me was important cause i have the ideas and not the technical know how - in Jr VIP there are some clever guys and when you are telling them your sensitive ideas it's important that you don't get fleeced.
That's why I believe this section needs to be tight and well controlled.
There are loads of great tecky guys in the general section but I know probably about 6 guys in here who I can trust with my ideas and know they are too busy and too straight to try and fleece me. In the general section I am not sure who I am dealing with.
just my 2c's
oscar....
vivalafeva
Elite Member
- Sep 16, 2008
- 1,514
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yea, it is kinda ridiculous when you see a jr vip posting that they dont make any money online.
justthinking
BANNED
- Aug 13, 2008
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I think this entire thread is completely stupid. Isn't there always a rotten apple in every bunch? From my experience, there is always at least one.
Who is it we are upset at this week? Who will it be next week? It may be a JR VIP, a Exec VIP, or a newbie. Who knows? Nobody. We will never know who it is before hand.
It seems members here believe the higher ups have some kind of godly existence. They don't. Everybody here is just a normal human being with (maybe) some type of expertise. Few actually have any. Most wouldn't know their ass from a hole in the ground if they had both hands on it.
Just my thoughts.
Who is it we are upset at this week? Who will it be next week? It may be a JR VIP, a Exec VIP, or a newbie. Who knows? Nobody. We will never know who it is before hand.
It seems members here believe the higher ups have some kind of godly existence. They don't. Everybody here is just a normal human being with (maybe) some type of expertise. Few actually have any. Most wouldn't know their ass from a hole in the ground if they had both hands on it.
Just my thoughts.
mack
Registered Member
- Dec 4, 2008
- 97
- 47
Perfect example of someone who doesn't get the point at all, and should probably be cleaned out of the forum.
Uses BHW to pimp his services, but won't chip in. (or more likely, can't)
Inflates his post count with nonsense and his thanks count by posting warez.
All his "suggestions for improvement" are transparently self-serving.
I'd never post a method where people like this had access to see it.
At least he'll never make VIP, so that's some comfort...
cpaaddict
Senior Member
- Apr 6, 2007
- 1,146
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this is so true nev, ive noticed the changes over the passed few months and its getting beyond a joke. especially when other jr's rip other bhw members off.
its more leechers from dp and others that are in the jr zone i reckon. as this is where alot of the shit is being taken and shared elsewhere. we do need to sort sumthing out though as we cant let this carry on as it is..
its more leechers from dp and others that are in the jr zone i reckon. as this is where alot of the shit is being taken and shared elsewhere. we do need to sort sumthing out though as we cant let this carry on as it is..
bananahands
Regular Member
- Mar 25, 2008
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The shit part of it is...it gives all Jr. VIPs a bad rep even though most of them are upstanding. Kind of discredits the title if many of them are scamming other bhw members.
Perhaps the requirements should be changed (case by case) or the rules more stringent for Jr. VIPs that commit infractions - possibly an immediate demotion.
Perhaps the requirements should be changed (case by case) or the rules more stringent for Jr. VIPs that commit infractions - possibly an immediate demotion.
blackhatcatz
Power Member
- Feb 8, 2008
- 606
- 107
I do agree on this, I think jr vip is being abused, but I think the voting system should be in. I for example almost never share my tactics, (just because they are too basic or too easy to duplicate) since most of my stuff is already here, I just added twists so nothing new.
My only "secret" is being able to scale things up and that's why I tend to talk to people here who I can work with and try to JV with them and of course my rep is important for that, right?
I think jr.vips should be voted off if they are just douche bags (complaining and not giving insights) also if they try to use their "jrvip" status as a means of 'trust' like saying (I will review this xxx product for you and never giving out a review) then they should be booted.
Just my 2 cents,
Catz
My only "secret" is being able to scale things up and that's why I tend to talk to people here who I can work with and try to JV with them and of course my rep is important for that, right?
I think jr.vips should be voted off if they are just douche bags (complaining and not giving insights) also if they try to use their "jrvip" status as a means of 'trust' like saying (I will review this xxx product for you and never giving out a review) then they should be booted.
Just my 2 cents,
Catz
MrsE
BANNED
- Nov 7, 2008
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I agree, Member to Jr.Vip is basically like going from Teenager to Adult....
it's really common anymore.... and 80% of the people in Jr.Vip don't deserve it..
I think there should be a vote, where 4 people get voted in every month.... and those 4 people have to make a donation to recieve the status....
it's really common anymore.... and 80% of the people in Jr.Vip don't deserve it..
I think there should be a vote, where 4 people get voted in every month.... and those 4 people have to make a donation to recieve the status....
could'nt have said it better
shylesson
Power Member
- Jan 10, 2008
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I agree with a housecleaning and that lately Jr. Vip has become sloppy and not really something to aspire to. I agree with blackhatcatz too; the status should not be used for any type of leverage. This could be a motivator for the scammers/rats to make it through the cracks. Using a status to show rep/ability/trust should not be the way to go and would also perhaps deter some status-seekers. But more than that, I think the section needs some housecleaning. Getting more mods and making the community more aware I think are great starts in the right direction.
indexyoursite
Regular Member
- Nov 19, 2008
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Many people try to get to JrVip expecting to found the holy grail in there. They can download scripts, pdf, even receive coaching, scam newbies, or ExecVips, but still don't get it. For me Black Hat is all about imagination, joy and programming skills, money, and now in this forum making some friends to share some thougths. I love to found holes in systems (been a h4cker first then a BH). As I'm passing 45 years old, with wife and child, my trend is to settle down. For me BH it's a long run business. I found that 70% of forums post are hit and run schemes, and 10 days later cries about banning accounts. Ok, it's natural, when I was 20 I also believed I was inmortal, it takes time to evolve and think. Always there will be good & bad apples among newbies, JrVips and ExecVips. As in life we must learn to read between lines.:rain:
- Jul 29, 2008
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I was going to suggest this exact same idea, but felt it wasn't my place. I agree 100%
I feel Jr. VIP should literally be wiped clean. zero members. Then make it a vote based invite only like ExecVIP is, but just allow more people in.
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BearyManaLow
Power Member
- Nov 22, 2008
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I don't hate you or anything Mark, but I'm going to have to disagree with you. The Jr VIPs are agreeing with voting because we're trying to secure our safety and exclusivity of being a Jr VIP. If we vote then it's less likely that a spammer or scammer would get in because everyone has a say on why or why not that person should be a Jr VIP. Donating is also a good idea because it shows who can make enough money in order to even donate the $97 which I'm sure is a hefty fee for newbs who are just starting out (unless they already have the funding, in which we'd weed them out through voting). I don't think anyone is being selfish here, we're just trying to uphold what it means to be Jr VIP.
PhiltheBear
Junior Member
- Feb 17, 2008
- 197
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Which is what, exactly?
There's a shit load of hot air in this thread which largely seems to centre round 2 things. 1. People who have been ripped off / scammed by others who hold Jr VIP status. 2. People who haven't got the patience to attain Jr VIP by the prescribed methods.
In the first case you can post to the Shit List and complain to the mods. But getting screwed isn't limited to getting screwed by Jr VIPs (as the Shit List shows) so it's a complete red herring. If you are dumb enough to get screwed by anyone then you are really not Jr VIP material anyway, are you?
And if you haven't got the patience to get to Jr VIP then stay out. You won't be missed.
Bottom line - getting Jr VIP status isn't something wonderful. It allows you to get into a small section of this forum where - sometimes - there are posts shared that people want to keep within a small audience. In particular, they may not want the noobs of this world to blast information elsewhere. That's pretty much it.
The donation thing is irrelevant - except that maybe there should be an additional requirement of some activity before a donation is allowed to get someone straight in. It's a bit like buying a peerage in the UK or Obama's place now he's been promoted - not supposed to happen but it does.
So, why all the fuss?
Gogeta
Power Member
- Jun 29, 2008
- 524
- 1,537
There have been alot of scammers and other problems in the last three months even in Jr VIP. I think that has caused us to loose trust in each other. BHW is a great community we need to stop fighting with each other, instead focus on fighting the scammers.