What is Cloaking ?

BlueTurtle said:
But generating unique content has nothing to do with cloaking. That's just another blackhat technique.

People generate unique content for adsense pages, autoblogs or just general sites. It's not whitehat if you generate.

I also read every word you typed very carefully and you're wrong. You simply can't sit there and say cloaking is generating unique content. Cloaking is cloaking. See the wikipedia definition above and if you disagree with wikipedia, well..
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The idea behind cloaking is simple your right showing the SE different content then a human user I guess i should have made myself clear to the OP advanced cloaking is far more in depth. If your cloaking and all u think it is...is writing content and the general idea of cloaking good luck but it's far more in depth then that.
 
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GreenGoblin said:
The idea behind cloaking is simple your right showing the SE different content then a human user I guess i should have made myself clear to the OP advanced cloaking is far more in depth. If your cloaking and all u think it is...is writing content and the general idea of cloaking good luck but it's far more in depth then that.
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Cloaking *IS* just displaying a different page to both SE's and users.

What you do with cloaking isn't cloaking.

I could create a cycling page with adsense, but I wouldn't start saying that adsense is cycling.

You can generate content then cloak that content, sure.

You can generate content then put adsense on that content.

You can generate content then put banners on that content.

You can generate content then put an opt in pop-up on them.

Would you say generating content is part of adsense?

Would you say generating content is part of cpa?

They're separate things.

You don't HAVE to generate content for a cloaking project. I personally would NEVER generate content even for cloaking. It's very hard to rank with generated content. People use generated content for web 2.0's and backlinks etc.

If you're going to generate 30k pages of content that rank for 30k keywords then cloak them then the cloaking part won't make it any easier for you to rank. If you could rank for 30k keywords you wouldn't be sitting here having this conversation with me, you would be sitting on a beach with some supermodel. :)
 
BlueTurtle said:
Cloaking *IS* just displaying a different page to both SE's and users.

What you do with cloaking isn't cloaking.

I could create a cycling page with adsense, but I wouldn't start saying that adsense is cycling.

You can generate content then cloak that content, sure.

You can generate content then put adsense on that content.

You can generate content then put banners on that content.

You can generate content then put an opt in pop-up on them.

Would you say generating content is part of adsense?

Would you say generating content is part of cpa?

They're separate things.

You don't HAVE to generate content for a cloaking project. I personally would NEVER generate content even for cloaking. It's very hard to rank with generated content. People use generated content for web 2.0's and backlinks etc.

If you're going to generate 30k pages of content that rank for 30k keywords then cloak them then the cloaking part won't make it any easier for you to rank. If you could rank for 30k keywords you wouldn't be sitting here having this conversation with me, you would be sitting on a beach with some supermodel. :)
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actually i was sitting on the beach with a model a few weeks ago south beach however that's besides the point. Now ask yourself why would it be hard to rank for 1000 + long tail keywords providing u have the right tools to rank them with.
 
GreenGoblin said:
actually i was sitting on the beach with a model a few weeks ago south beach however that's besides the point. Now ask yourself why would it be hard to rank for 1000 + long tail keywords providing u have the right tools to rank them with.
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Why indeed. If you can rank for 1000+ longtails on tap you must be making at least $100k/mo.

I've known many people who want to do that, but I've never known anyone to succeed with 1000's of longtails and generated content. Not since pre-2011 and more so pre-2009 anyway.

On the other hand I know many people who own authority sites with good unique content that are ranking for 1000's of terms.

It's not as easy as you think. If you opt for 1000+ domains then that's $10k plus you need them on separate IPs otherwise you risk getting penalized for having so many low quality sites.

If you have them all on the one domain then you'll struggle to get so many indexed. If you've ever tried to create that type of site you'll know how hard it is to get massive amounts of crap content indexed.
 
BlueTurtle said:
Why indeed. If you can rank for 1000+ longtails on tap you must be making at least $100k/mo.

I've known many people who want to do that, but I've never known anyone to succeed with 1000's of longtails and generated content. Not since pre-2011 and more so pre-2009 anyway.

On the other hand I know many people who own authority sites with good unique content that are ranking for 1000's of terms.

It's not as easy as you think. If you opt for 1000+ domains then that's $10k plus you need them on separate IPs otherwise you risk getting penalized for having so many low quality sites.

If you have them all on the one domain then you'll struggle to get so many indexed. If you've ever tried to create that type of site you'll know how hard it is to get massive amounts of crap content indexed.
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Trust me on this one, I talked to a few people here before i got into cloaking just to pick there brains you would be surprised at the $$$ don't get me wrong now fantomas shadow maker is just a tool and your going bust your ass working at it, but it does 85% of the work for you the other 15% is you building backlinks for the urls and a few other things not mention here, so time is still involved regarding putting in work but ranking for high competitive keywords is reachable with cloaking.
 
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GreenGoblin said:
Trust me on this one, I talked to a few people here before i got into cloaking just to pick there brains you would be surprised at the $$$
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Well, if you say you do generating content + cloaking then I believe you.

You've obviously cracked the method of ranking 1000's of keywords with generated content.

I can see that the way to do it would be to target 1000's of general longtails and cloak so you're displaying some sort of broad offer, dating or bizop. Something like emailing a scraped general list.

The hard part though is ranking those 1000's of keywords. Are you using one domain for all keywords or one domain for each keyword btw?
 
BlueTurtle said:
Well, if you say you do generating content + cloaking then I believe you.

You've obviously cracked the method of ranking 1000's of keywords with generated content.

I can see that the way to do it would be to target 1000's of general longtails and cloak so you're displaying some sort of broad offer, dating or bizop. Something like emailing a scraped general list.

The hard part though is ranking those 1000's of keywords. Are you using one domain for all keywords or one domain for each keyword btw?
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depends on how competitive the niche is, some sites will rank better then other's so u want as many as possible, But it's best to use 10-20 domains for 1 niche but use all the same keywords or u can split them up but i was taught it's going to be obvious to people your cloaking if u dominate one niche and all your pages are redirecting to the same URL LMAO the best way to cloak is using aged domains having multiple landers.

There are a few cloaking kings in here ranking for major keywords like weight loss & credit cards
 
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GreenGoblin said:
depends on how competitive the niche is, some sites will rank better then other's so u want as many as possible, But it's best to use 10-20 domains for 1 niche but use all the same keywords or u can split them up but i was taught it's going to be obvious to people your cloaking if u dominate one niche and all your pages are redirecting to the same URL LMAO the best way to cloak is using aged domains having multiple landers.

There are a few cloaking kings in here ranking for major keywords like weight loss & credit cards
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Ah, I see, yes. The main problem comes from people reporting your cloaked page, so if you have 1k keywords in a niche all with the same page you'll get reported.

Reporting must still be a major issue even if you only have 50 keywords in a niche displaying the same page though, no?

That fantomas software looks pretty nice btw :)
 
BlueTurtle said:
Ah, I see, yes. The main problem comes from people reporting your cloaked page, so if you have 1k keywords in a niche all with the same page you'll get reported.

Reporting must still be a major issue even if you only have 50 keywords in a niche displaying the same page though, no?

That fantomas software looks pretty nice btw :)
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Yea getting ratted out is the problem which is why long tail keywords is better because a lot of competitors don't care much so u figure if your ranking for a lot of them you can generate a lot of traffic after that it's all about converting the traffic. But again your going to still put a lot of work in but with the right script you will cut your time down by more then half.

Fantomas shadow maker is sexy i will say that it's like the lambo of IM tools.

BLACKHIT download MOD schooled me to a lot regarding cloaking before I jumped in the fire thanks again
 
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Go get um Blue...

Yeah...use your search engine on this site.

(of course...you would never get an answer or thread quite like this one).

Thanks for your input!

~D

BlueTurtle said:
Well, if you say you do generating content + cloaking then I believe you.

You've obviously cracked the method of ranking 1000's of keywords with generated content.

I can see that the way to do it would be to target 1000's of general longtails and cloak so you're displaying some sort of broad offer, dating or bizop. Something like emailing a scraped general list.

The hard part though is ranking those 1000's of keywords. Are you using one domain for all keywords or one domain for each keyword btw?
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Looks like starting a new thread wasnt such a bad idea after all, you never know whos going pop up or what advice is gonna be given, Interesting at the least
 
you will find lots of stuffs about cloaking online, fing them in article directories; however, you may learn the ways from valius free ebook and you can get tutorials on youtube as well.
 
Cloaking is a search engine optimization (SEO) method in which the matter offered to the search engine spider is dissimilar from that presented to the user's browser. This is done by deliver content based on the IP addresses or the User-Agent HTTP header of the user requesting the webpage. When a user is identified as a search engine spider, a server-side script delivers a different version of the web page, one that contains content not present on the visible page, or that is present but not searchable.

The reason of cloaking is sometimes to trick search engines so they show the page when it would not otherwise be displayed also called black hat SEO. However, it can also be a functional though antiquated procedure for notify search engines of matter they would not otherwise be able to trace since it is embedded in non-textual containers such as certain Adobe Flash components or video.
 
Thanks!

You are very understanding. Im newbee , noobs or whatever and I agree that we are boring but Im trying ready everthing that I can before ask.
Anyways, some ppl are not really skilled and new here may will be asking asking.


Thanks guys for the help...:o
 
Xenesthad said:
Cloaking is essentially a way of hiding or disguising your affiliate links. So for example if you were doing a review for a product with the aim of promoting it via your affiliate link then you would have to give them a link to click.
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This is not cloaking. This is link cloaking. It's completely different than cloaking a website.
 
Cloacking is a back seo techinque, this is an unethical method which means to present different instances of a webpage, one for users and the other for search engines.
 
Thank You all for this info-very helpfully for newbies like me...:):p
 
Cloaking generally means to present different version of web page contents from search engines to search robots and human visitors based on their browser's user agent or IP address. It's a deceptive method used to cheat search engines in order to rank well for desired keywords.
 
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