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What I have learned? What I have achieved? What I need?

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  1. Alieve

    Alieve Junior Member

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    Hello BHW!

    After writing thing I feel that it's too much and it was difficult me to force my self to post this.
    Critics are welcome. But not on my english please.

    MOD's if It should be here then I deserve to get banned.

    Before I explain what I have said in the title, I want you all to know about me.
    My name is Ali Raza. I am from Pakistan and belong to a middle class family. I have started my career in IM in 2009 as a link builder, when I don?t even believe that someone can make money from Internet. But Today I can shout and say, yes! You can make money online.
    While doing my job as link builder I started research, how these guys get projects and get paid. Then I reached to oDesk. During my research I have found many blogs and forums. BHW is one of them. I join BHW in 2012, and it?s the only forum that I visit regularly or may be weekly. I don?t know what other says about this community. But for me BHW is my school to IM.


    Actually I am not native so I am not getting the right words to express what I want to. Anyways. I will continue and expecting critics rather than suggestions.
    I got my first projects on oDesk in 2009. I was about profile links. Yeah! Forum profile links any many of them. I was using Senuke those days. Hope you guys remember that green logo. I complete 1500 profiles within some hours and got 5 star feed backs and my journey to IM begins then.

    What I have learn?

    Today I can use almost any Link Building Tool.
    I can do a detailed SEO Audit (on-page and of-page) ? Thanks again BHW
    I can build a WordPress, Blogger, Ghost, Open Cart based sites in hours using pre made themes
    I can tweak WordPress and make it work like I want ? Thank to w3Schools
    Actually I don?t know what I am capable of just because I have never said ?No? to my client. Whenever a client said that he/she have problem with their site. They only hear two statements from my side.

    1. Wait! Let me have a look.
    2. Please check it is fixed
    As I said before I don?t know how to play with words here.
    What I have achieved?
    In 2013 I was skilled enough to rank any keyword. I have polished my skills with time to stay in the game, and BHW was always there. I got a job and quite freelancing. Isn?t It shocking? Yeah! I quite freelancing and got hired by a multinational firm as Digital Marketer. Before this I was earning 45k a month in average and they hired me for 60k. The good thing! It was a 9 to 5 job. I have worked with them till August 2015. Again quite? Yes! Will explain. Hear this first. These guys were running a side business and my job was to rank their sites and pump up the sales, and I did so.

    After 1 month of work. I come to know that they were testing me. They already had a team of 8 peoples doing the same work on different website but in same niche. And they were doing great.
    Some Calculations here.
    ## It?s me Team of 8 SEOs
    Total Revenue in 1 month $7000+ $8000+
    Salaries $600 $2800
    Office and other Expense $300 $1600
    Profit $6100 3600
    Who wins? You choose
    My boss have fired the other 8 and offer me a deal. 80k PKR fix + 10% on monthly sales. Don?t start calculation. I have more to say. There?s something else. He asked me build a team and increase the sales.
    I agreed and hired (in-house)
    3 Writers (You know what? Content is really king. Don?t deny)
    1 Developer
    1 Designer
    And I was boss! The actual boss give me the plan and funds and gone for a world tour.

    I started my work. I create a friendly atmosphere in my office. Everyone was equal there. I increase the sales on monthly basis. The last I remember was $14500 in almost 12 days. Yes!
    His word keyword was having 1000+ searches (Buy product Online) and we are working on 23 products and we have almost monopolize the first page. I am young and not married without any responsibilities. I enjoyed. Bought some property and etc etc. I was millionaire in then. Yes! First house I bought was having 5500000K PKR ($52000+) value.

    What I need? Why I quite?

    My father and brother was running a Real Estate business. Yes! They are no more in the business?..
    Some details are here (https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/support-needed-after-losing-home-and-in-debt--2#/)
    My father got loss in business, a big one (70000000+ PKR $670595+). No one in my family was aware of this except my father. He did his best to get it solved and failed. And we come to know when we sell our house. But it?s not solved yet. We sold our house for 10000000 PKR $10000 it was not big but huge for us. Still 60000000 to go.

    Still we don?t know the exact amount. My father asked my about what I have. I am 24 today and this was the first time my father asked my about money. I said I need 1 day. Then I will tell. I sell everything withdraw from my paypal and payoneer converted my bitcoins to cash and give them to my Father. But still it wasn?t enough. Someone from the investors have gone to court. To get rid of this we sell everything we have and leave the town. I don?t have words. Here my father is sleeping on the floor. Should I tell you or not? While I wrote about my father?s situation tears come in my eyes. I am trying hard to get a similar job but can?t. I don?t even have resources to start something online.
    I don?t have words to go further. At the end I will only say. That I want to take my family back to their city and want them to live their lives. Right at the moment I am the only one who got a job but my salary is not enough to clear the debts, I am the only one who?s feeding 6 Adults and 2 kids.

    I didn?t post link to get donation. I only need suggestions. What should I do? I know that we can make money online but bit doubtful about these crowd funding sites.
    But if someone want to donate some one for these then I prefer any other way than indigogo because that require payapal and my paypal is limited now with some money in it!....
     
  2. Alieve

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    Bump! Is it the same BHW?
    142 views but no reply! Guys I am not asking you to donate money. I just need suggestions to over come the situation
     
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    Your brain is worth billions if not trillions or zillions. Use it N.O.W.

    I know you know SEO, but can you sell, online? How confident are you in selling 6crore PKR worth of goods in ONE year or less? And all that can be your own as your commission! Can you believe that? :)

    Not joking.... you CAN get out of that hole and with all your family members.... believe in yourself first that you CAN. You'll find The Way soon.

    Also.... Praying for you, dear bro. :)

    P.S.:

    Your English is golden! :)
    Why are you worried? If i could understand the feelings in the whole text, then any one can!

    P.P.S.:

    Yep, it's the same old BHW :). But now it has become a great giant, and so it takes some time to get up. Don't worry, you'll see words worth billions for you, and those alone will help you begin your fight all the adversities, AND win over them soon and ultimately! I believe, do you? ;)
     
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    Suggestion #1:
    BELIEVE that you have the means to overcome the troubles... And it's easier done than said! :)

    Suggestion #2:
    Be alone, and become relaxed... then write down every worry that's dragging you into that hole. Write everything down. That will begin the trick! Just Do It now if you can... This has helped plenty of my clients -- like everyone of them. So I know this will help you start WINNING.

    Suggestion #3:
    Drop that little dull shaken torn-out image that you see in the mirror. See what you wish to become... and see it now.

    I never joke or lie when I'm taking to someone who's deep into a crisis. I know what I am suggesting to you. Help that matters will definitely come later, but be a winner now.

    God bless!
     
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    OP, what do you expect us to do with all that information ? A human can barely process 1 thought at a time. Nevermind the 500 different details, contexts and stories you wrote.

    To me it seems clear that your father took a highly risky loan. He fucked up. His fault. And I HIGHLY doubt your indiegogo story. If his partners "ran away with the money" that's what contracts and courts are for. I know every one of his partners has their own story and I doubt it comes close to your version.

    What you seem to be asking overall is "my familys fucked, we're in debt, we're broke, what can I do + GIVE ME MONEY"?

    How about this, life is a bitch. GO MAKE MONEY.

    That's what you do. And make damn sure that your father pays for his role in this disaster. I really really hate to sound like I'm insulting someones family member. But what factors drive a man to risk throwing his entire family under a train? Generally speaking? We're talking about things like greed, selfishness... aren't we? He wanted money for his family, very noble I understand, but you're leaving out all the not so noble details.

    As sorry as I feel for you, this is just another begging thread. You're asking for donations and that's against forum rules.

    ps. You're asking for >>>$300,000 ? OMGWTF. I don't feel sorry anymore I take that back. Good luck raising that much capital.... JFC.
     
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    It's a common story in the subcontinent. My own uncle was a commercial artist, and he was very successful even in the 1960s! He got into marketing the business, and was successful too. One of his cousins was also an artist and this uncle took him under his able wings. As the uncle was busy making it successful through marketing, his cousin planned and succeeded in taking away my uncles best artists and some of his clients with his sweet talks and cunning.... My uncle's business suffered a lot, but there was nothing law could do for him. The business never got big again, because the event had hit my straight-forward uncle's confidence. He later went to Africa and got some success there, but then his son became a real-life tycoon in South Africa, and got the success like no one else has achieved in our combined families!

    But... his father's plight has made the son very sour in nature, and he trusts absolutely none. He even married outside the community... he married a Jew woman, who indeed is a really great person, thankfully.

    In the subcontinent, there are many such cases where partners have fled with all the money and business successfully, and the corrupt dignitaries and authorities of the land are with those types, so no law will help. I personally know of at least 10 such people around my house (within half a km radius range) who have been scammed similarly. So, I don't doubt that part of OP.

    P.S.:
    OP seems to know that under no circumstances will anyone on the net, includes BHW, will help him financially... but we can at least help him with soothing and positive words, imo.
     
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  7. Alieve

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    Thanks man!

    I am not asking the money! I didn't start that campaign.
    Keep it up! I was ready for this,

    Non of my family member ran with money nor my father. I will never ever blame my father for this. He always tried his hard to provide us everything what we need. In my life of 24 years. I didn't remember a day when I asked some thing from my father and he say no! Never! I always get what I want.

    at the end! I am not asking money. I need suggestions.

    What I have in hand currently or in my Laptop!

    I have Toshiba Laptop 3rd generation 6gb ram 1 TB hard
    Scrape Box
    GSA SER
    GSA CB
    GSA Indexer
    SEO Power Suite
    GScraper
    Some Expired Tumblrs (Can scrape more)
    Bitcoins worth $20 in my electrum
    1 hosting account!

    The thing I really need is the right idea where I can use these resources. I know there are many guides but today I need some thing which really work. I am not asking $100 a day.
     
  8. BreaknBrix

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    Sounds like natural competition. My brothers best friend of 10 years, we put his $800k/yr business into bankruptcy.

    And I didn't lose 1 sleepless night over it. Because me and my bro worked harder, smarter, and most of all this man deserved it. I see A LOT of people get to that proverbial "top", they get cocky, wild, arrogant, lazy, cheat on spouses, etc (people who let money go to their heads) .... and if you leave yourself open to be exploited.. if you aren't carrying your own weight... if you're making yourself a target due to your own willful ignorance.... it doesn't matter if your friends, brothers, sisters put you out of business cause the MARKET will do it either way.

    Maybe I take me & my brothers relationship for granted. Cause there's no other brother I'd trust as much as him and vice versa. We have a special type of blood deep loyalty where no matter what the situation it's always us against the world.

    Even my father. He ran a successful business most his life. Made great money. There's no place I can drive in this state where he can't point out a house he built. But 1 night, a long time ago, he fell off a roof and broke his back. Within months he was out of business. Shit hit the fan. But even then my parents never asked any of their 5 kids for a dime. They saved money. Never begged. Taking loans was, is and has always been a huge NO NO in our family. If there's anything my parents taught me it's that. How it's better to go starve on the streets sleeping on wet concrete than to walk in a bank and beg for money. An empty stomach will make you a hungry. A loan will make you stupid.

    Both my parents grew up dirt poor. That's what I was always taught. I know how arrogant it is to ask, but I wanna know why his father took that loan in the first place? That wasn't his money. I don't care what he thought he could accomplish with it. When you take money that's not yours then lose it.... what on Earth makes you think the world now owes you $300,000?

    Let's be real. Well, "American" real cause that's where I come from. If I was in his father's situation I could certainly find a way to get together just $2,000. Then I'd buy a lemon ice truck, get a permit, and sell lemon ice during the summer + mow lawns. My cousin does this during the summers and makes $10,000 / weekend just from his lemon ice truck. Then another $150,000+ from April-Nov from his landscaping business. He started small and quickly worked his way up. Now he doesn't cut any lawns or stand behind any machines.

    I'm assuming there's some type of infrastructure that doesn't exist in that region of the world? It is impossible to mow lawns? To sell low ticket shit that people buy up like candy? Or really high ticket services to a targeted crowd (home improvement?) It works here.

    As far as IM, that's tricky biz. Everythings "tricky" really. But if I was in crisis mode right now I wouldn't go to the internet. That's just me. I'd go offline cause that's the most direct route to money. Then as I grow my bank invest money online which is exactly what I've been doing for 3+ years now. I always keep that offline business my main focus. Clickbank, product sites, all the random online shit I do brings in money. I can live on it but wouldn't feel secure. Online you need money and a certain window of time to get the money rolling in. It's a catch 22. Not easy to get done quick unless you are really really on top your game.

     
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    Here, let's talk some real ideas.

    I'll put my favorite first.

    1) High commission lead brokering. I wish I knew more about Pakistan. But brokering leads will make you a shitload of money fast. Find any high profit business in your area. Anything that sells high ticket items. Sign a contract to receive X% commissions. If they rip you off they'll lose money. Then go insane doing guerilla style marketing online. 10 PVA accounts on craigslist, posting ads everyday, uploading dozens of geo-targeted YT videos every week, website, leaving fake reviews, build online real estate within the "gaps" of high profit industries. These gaps are everywhere you just need to look.

    2) Spamming the fuck out of YT comments, upvoting + CPA. There's a learning curve but this method will never stop.

    3) BTBs facebook method. You get a bunch of FB accounts up, join groups, learn how to write non-spammy copy and use "take away selling" to sell shit in groups. Direct to a video or landing page to presell CPA offers & Clickbank. It works. Can be set up fast.

    4) Upload hacks for movies, games, anything. A lot of this is just monkey work and finding good keywords. Throw tons of shit at the wall, keep throwing and those leads will come in.

    5) Comment marketing. Find targeted blog, build landing pages and SELL SELL SELL.

    6) Invest $200-$300, Buy DHG Pro, proxies, throw in a list of authority sites, open up a BST and market those domains. I see people doing this who don't even know how to build a PBN.

    Truth is, there's lots of things you can do pretty quick. Just get hungry, there's methods everywhere, get to work.

    ps. Left out Clickbank parasites cause that's slower. But again you just target and rank parasites. Basic marketing the value is all in the testing and work.
     
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  10. Alieve

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    Things are different here in Pakistan.
    Let say I have some extra money. What should I do? I will spend those in real estate. My father was in before my birth. He was having a well reputation people were spending blindly. My father have some partners from last 10 years. Every thing was here on the basis of trust. But they broke the trust and ran.


    Thanks for great Idea. I know it works in your country but in Pakistan? No, way! It will take time here. I know do's and don't of craigslist and can make it with ease but I am not doing this. But I got an Idea from your 3rd point. But planning needs time. Meanwhile more suggestions and critics are welcome.

    Thanks again
     
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    OP, I think BB has given a lot to begin with. He is also one of the best members whom you can trust and who'd really help the deserving. Now begin exploring everything and take actions. Stop focusing on the past and begin building the future. Use BHW or Google search. Find as many methods you think are good. Relax. Most times, you will be guided to the method suddenly. Keep watching for that split second warning. Act now. If you're really in trouble, then this is the window for you...
     
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    My cousin didn't go to college, but he was a born marketer. He died a few months ago. Since last few years, about 10, he worked as an estate agent and got paid about 1-1/2 lakh INR each flat sold in a new housing complex in Mumbai. The complex has more than ten high risers, and plenty of smaller apartment buildings... Calculate how much money he must have made! The builder and promoters were his old friends, and they gladly made him their sole agent. Real estate is one huge money maker, and your family has the experience. Get it going once again.
     
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    One of the best BB.
     
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    It's hard to tell man, there are some really good advices, but everyone is fighting on its own. :/
     
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    I have one question.

    Why do people work for other people in IM related jobs?
     
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    The same reason people work for other people in office jobs: they don't want the responsibility or the hassle of owning their own company. They just want a paycheck. That's all they aspire to.
     
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    Never thought of it like that. I may start doing the same so I can earn 1% of my efforts.
     
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    Sorry, I haven't got anything for op's question, but what is dhg pro? I've found nothing IM related for dhg in google, but I'm interested. Is it a tool to find expired domains or what?
     
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