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What do you use for Tier 2 links?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by Jack Torrance, Jul 4, 2015.

  1. Jack Torrance

    Jack Torrance Power Member

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    I haven't used Tier 2 up until now, looking to start making some.

    What do you use for your Tier 2? Software? I hear GSA needs custom lists... I do actually have Scrapebox but it doesn't work very well for me. I also have heard of Money Robot Submitter, Ultimate Daemon and Magic Submitter. Look forward to your opinions!
     
  2. Dante12

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    Same like you with Scrapebox I got no luck with GSA neither, my list suscks i guess so I'm just buying Fiverr gigs
     
  3. hanssolo

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    IMO, even for Tier 2 links, you have to play safe. I usually do handmade web2.0 with 100% unique articles and social profiles for tier 2
    2. Then put up legit youtube channel with original videos on them and point them both to my PBN on Tier 1.
     
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  4. Windmm

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    I usually use links from low quality PBNs as Tier 2 links.
     
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  6. Jack Torrance

    Jack Torrance Power Member

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    YT channels give nofollow links, I think social profiles too. Do you really get a boost from these things?

    Also about your 2.0s, how many articles do they have? About and contact page? Know of any really quick way to set 'em up? Do you use same KW anchor density as T1? Do you create other link types if so what?

    Cheers!
     
  7. Jack Torrance

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    Thanks. How do you fare through Google updates? Manual spin or software?
     
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    GSA is great among all,download the latest site list and start blasting.
    booommmmmm
     
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    Tier 2 is all contextual do follow links in GSA
     
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  10. googleagent59

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    senuke xcr is the best it works for me....if you have so many clients
     
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  11. Jack Torrance

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    Say I have 5 Web 2.0s, is it better to point all 5 at the money site or 1 at the money site then use the other 4 to point at the first 2.0? Btw just a heads up I don't have clients this is just for personal use.
     
  12. Florent1933

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    I use to make GSA blasts, and even sometimes with Xrumer directly (but with high quality lists only). However if you don't have your own lists, you should maybe look at some gigs on fiverr, this would probably save you a lot of time...
     
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  13. TheSEOWizard

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    GSA contextual liinks. If you want to play even safer, FCS or Turbo Web 2 for Tier 2 and GSA for Tier 3.
     
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    How are you making your contextual backlinks with gsa? (ser engines?)
     
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    Point all of them to your money site if they are HQ and properly built.
    As for Tier 2 - RELEVANT contextual platforms in GSA (article directories/wikis/doc sharing) and some other low quality web 2.0-s created in mass quantity.
     
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  16. Jack Torrance

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    Right... I looked into FCS, it looks good, I like that it can create social profiles for me (I assume this is like FB accounts etc)...

    My plan is to go with either FCS to make a bunch of profiles for me then I will go in manually and edit those to my liking. Or I am also looking at SEREngines and GSA SER, I will have to also invest in proxies (apparently BuyProxies.org is good) and a captcha solver (not sure which is best, but I'd prefer one time payment) for the latter, however.

    Turbo Web 2 only does blogs so it seems FCS is better value. Because I like quality over quantity the "slowness" of FCS doesn't really matter, I won't need more than 50 or so properties every few days...

    What do you guys think of Ultimate Daemon?
     
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  17. TheSEOWizard

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    In GSA edit the project and on the Project Data/Where to Submit section, right click and select "uncheck engines that use no contextual links". That is all that is needed.

    I have not used Ultimate Demon and I personally am not sure if it provides the kind of quality site links I would prefer. I had purchased Bookmarking Demon several years ago IIRC and I applied for a refund immediately as almost every site there was low quality pligg and scuttle sites which are found even in normal all in one tools such as GSA SER. However, things might have changed now and they have a free trial with money back guarantee if you do not like it.

    Turbo Web 2.0 has lesser platforms right now but the developer has been maintaining it and improving it with time. There is a script builder in Turbo Web 2.0 which can be used to build more unique scripts too though I have not tried it personally. FCS is a better bet for the sole reason that it is web based and so, there are lesser chances of facing problems. However, most people I have spoken too mention that you need good quality proxies in FCS too for the best results. The default proxies they use are not that good in terms of success rate if I am not incorrect.

    Personally I would probably go with FCS networker or Turbo Web 2.0 instead of serengines if I were you. You can check the official thread for serengines at the GSA forum and there are people who mention that they fail to get even a dozen platforms working at times. In comparision, FCS or Turbo Web 2.0 easily gives around 2-3 times that with good quality proxies.

    For proxies, buyproxies is good but there are lot of providers out here in the marketplace which you can check too. Most of the providers here in the marketplace with good reviews would work well with almost every Web 2.0.

    And just to remove the confusion, FCS does not support every social site out there including Facebook. They used to make the currently working sites publicly available in the past in this link:

    http://www.fcsnetworker.com/supported/supportedsites.php

    I was using that to check the platforms between FCS and Turbo Web 2.0. But they have removed that link now. So, there is no way to check the current list of sites. That definitely did not include facebook. In fact, there are hardly 2 or so facebook management/posters out there and they are a lot more expensive. There were a few social bookmarking sites too in that list if I remember correctly. Overall the quality and collection of sites both in FCS and Turbo are far better than most others.
     
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  18. Jack Torrance

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    Mate, that's great info thanks. I had already made a few purchases before reading your post and got GSA SER, GSA Captcha Breaker, SEREngines, SuperHAC and 5 dedicated proxies. 5 should be fine for my small scale ops but I will see :) Now you made me wish I'd gone with FCS... But to be honest I already created 3 links on SER and am really happy. SEO is impossible for tier 2 when you're signing up on each site manually going through the sign up process verifying email etc LOL.

    Is it possible to set GSA to NOT put any links in the text? I'm just trying to use placeholder text to create all the accounts then I am going in manually adding the content to make sure it's perfect. I'd rather add links later on.

    While we're at it, what do you guys use for Tier 3 or to get the Tier 2s indexed? I'm guessing blog comments and forum spam are gonna be the main ones to allow Google to naturally crawl and index. I feel as though indexing services and forced indexing throw up a red flag or footprint.

    Also one more question how long do you wait after creating your tier 1 before linking tier 2s to it?
     
  19. TheSEOWizard

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    If you need to create only the accounts, I would personally recommend Turbo Web 2.0 as it has got options to only create the account. There is an option during account creation to not submit but only create and verify the accounts. Anyways, it is ultra cheap at the promotional $99 lifetime price right now. There is also a trial available on the monthly plan and you can cancel it within the trial period and then either not go for it at all if you do not like it or go for the lifetime if you like it as that is the more value for money plan IMO.

    Yes, it is possible to not include links in GSA. But GSA is for mass links in general and hence, used mostly in lower tiers. It would not make sense to manually go and edit every GSA link. It creates links extremely fast. Change it to tier 3 if you are worried about Tier 2.

    People use different strategies for getting their links indexed. If you want to remove the headache, just send it to a good indexer service. Just drip feed the links if you are worried about raising any flag. I personally do not like forum spam (profile backlinks are still ok) or scrapebox blasts in the present date but people have their own opinion. Most reputed or Google indexed or maintained blog or forum have systems in place nowadays to stop those blast links.

    You can create it on the same day or wait a few days before building the next tier links. Some people wait for a particular tier to be indexed before creating the next tier.

    If you need more proxies, you can also go for a provider like ACT proxies. Their prices are a lot cheaper and their proxies work equally well as buyproxies etc.
     
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  20. ThopHayt

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    Well if your T1's are web2.0s then using web2.0s for T2 makes no sense. And les be honest web2.0s are the most common T1 links. In which case it seems to me that you'd need to mix in more link diversity.

    Here is my take. I've asked this same question, and always got the same dumb answers. The truth is you want the same thing on T2 and T3 that you want on T1, link diversity and anchor diversity. You will just need a CHEAPER source for the links on T2 in order to keep costs down. Each T1 needs its own diverse link profile in order to be healthy. Just because its a "T1" doesn't mean it has a Spam Me sign on its back. I thought about GSA blasting T2, but ultimately decided against it. Maybe I'm just not as good at GSA as some of you, but to me it wasn't worth the risk.
     
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