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What Do You Outsource?

Discussion in 'BlackHat Lounge' started by Dan Da Man, Nov 14, 2011.

  1. Dan Da Man

    Dan Da Man Elite Member Premium Member

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    Just started getting into outsourcing my seo efforts and teaching these guys what to do. What works best for you? I am finding out that you really need to tell these outsourcers EXACTLY what to do. Do you create a daily plan, weekly plan, etc..?

    What have you found works best and is most efficient? Let us share what has worked :)
     
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    I automate and no longer outsource.
    Tried the outsourcing thing for article spinning, which is something I'd love to outsource if I could ever find someone competent enough to do it. A friend who graduated from Harvard a few years ago and like most college grads (even Harvard ones), is not exactly fully employed, wrote them for me for awhile. He was only willing to do 5 sentence replacements and then synonyms on top of that, while i prefer at least 10 sentence reps.

    He did an excellent, excellent job though, but after a sustained period of looking for outside help, it's really just more cost effective/time effective to automate everything else, and write them all myself.

    Any spinner I've found is slow, inaccurate, and has terrible verbal skills.
    Whereas I can knock out 10 sentence replacements, with excellent grammar even when spun, and 250% uniqueness in about 2 hours.

    Everything else, minus video creation, is automatic now (web 2.0, with image/video embedding for 85 sites, pyramids, bookmarking blahblah, is all automatic)

    It's tough as hell to produce enough content to use my automation procedures to full capacity as is... let alone if I outsourced it, it would take even longer to receive the content (and it would suck).
    I have a daily SEO routine... based upon tasks to be done. At present the only thing I outsource is xrumer, as I waste enough time on scrapebox as is...
     
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  3. Dan Da Man

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    Thanks for the post. But, are you not spending time to set up the automation? Even going through and setting up senuke campaigns etc. take time. I understand that these outsourcers will never be able to produce the quality content that I can but if I spend enough time training them, maybe they could come close??

    Thanks for the input, I guess this is something I will learn soon enough
     
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    Good luck training them... seriously
    No relatively speaking I spend little time setting up automation procedures.
    I create 100+ spun titles (with something like 100,000 possible title combinations) and leave them, I automatically generate something like 300-500 accounts on every single web 2.0 site for every niche I'm marketing (at least the competitive ones) and just keep them in files using them as needed day to day (I post 3-10 articles/acct depending on what site it is and how the backlinks are being generated)

    I then create task lists , load all of the diff accts in, and bam, the rest is automatic.
    It doesn't take that long... 20 min/3000 web 2.0s in set up time probably... the harder part is the tiers above it.
    There's no real way around it, tier 2 requires either one of the most spun articles ever (paragraph level, 20-30 sentences, and 80% synonym replacement is what I currently use) or outsourcing.
    It's probably still worth creating the indexing articles yourself...
    Some people do tier 2s of social bookmarks or w/e and I have yet to try it myself en masse, it certainly would eat less content, but I suspect it would also produce worse results.

    I have tried dozens of times to train someone to spin articles properly, they either give up or fail miserably in readability. Also they're painfully slow about it, 3-4 days at a minimum, the level of content required right now for me is just too great.
     
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    Even though some of us disagree on spoonfeeding, I also believe that it is cheaper in the long run to either write the programs yourself using UBot/ZennoPoster (never tried ZennoPoster) or leaving it to programs such as SENukeX/Web 2.0 submitters as this is always cheaper and faster in the long run.

    You could get them to do research for you about various topics, or manually post on major sites with topics you've created and you think xrumer/scrapebox won't be enough :). Perhaps try and find you leads for a product/service you are selling?
     
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  6. Dan Da Man

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    Lol, I wasn't asking for anyone to spoonfeed me anything. Just was wondering what others have done before, so i can make a valid decision.

    The thing is, what if you want nothing to do with the site. I understand that it won't be the best in the world in terms of effective seo, but I want to let it run by itself. It takes focus away from bigger projects to have to run senukex and amr and scrapebox on this site, when I could be focusing on other tasks that make me more money.
     
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    That's why I set up a plan for each niche I own, dedicate time to setting up the programs on a schedule etc. SENukeX allows you to have a schedule, so tasks will run whenever you need them to - I use it as a dripfeed service :).
     
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    I am assuming you have got your plan down to a T then. I wonder what other people are outsourcing then. Just manual tasks then I am assuming?