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What are your minimum metrics for a PBN domain?

Discussion in 'Black Hat SEO' started by zacatictac, Dec 11, 2016.

  1. zacatictac

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    And before you say metrics arn't everything, I know that. Here's why I am curious. Majestic a while back changed some things, and also stated that we should be using the root (without the www.) when checking metrics. This makes it a lot harder to find decent domains.

    So what are some good minimums for root domains when searching for domains? By this I mean the minimum I should even consider so I'm not wasting my time. MOZ and Majestic.
     
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    Here's a good example: I just found a spam free, niche related domain with the following metrics: 29 referring IPs, TF 6, CF 10, DA 19, PA 32. Now most would say that TF 6 is low, but this to the root domain which is always lower. Would you consider this a decent domain as long as the backlinks are solid (which they are).
     
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    None. I dont give a flying duck about the metrics of a domain. If the backlinks are good, its good to go ;)

    Lots of people have the idea that metrics from a third party are everything. Thats why have lots of trouble ranking.
     
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  4. zacatictac

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    Yeah I get you. But in a vast sea of domains it's the only way to really be able to narrow them down while searching you know? Thats' the only reason I care. It weeds out the completely worthless domains at least a bit.
     
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    You can always hire a VA to do that for you. ;)
     
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    2. Clean backlinks profile with not many lost links
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    4. Expired (for under $10)
     
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    Base minimum I would suggest the following.

    10 DA (honestly DA dosnt matter)
    10 TF
    20 RD

    The more RD the better.
     
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    As you said, after majestic update all changed dramatically. So you know metrics doesn't matter here but still we need a no. to narrow down our list. Right now i am following this criteria -

    Ref. Domain - 10 (Min.) In some case i go with 7-8 ref. domain if those back links are really from power domain. But average 10 is my no.
    TF - 10 (Min)

    I will happy to know some feedback from @Nargil like how he is doing now a days. What's the standard he is following to find the expired domain.
     
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  9. Nargil

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    The talk about "not giving a fuck about metrics" is the most pathetic crap lately. The fact that you don't give a crap about metrics means, that you are unable to find a decent domain with both decent metrics and authority links. 75% of the domains that I scrape are duplicates of what I've already scraped in the past. 75%. I've raped the Internet basically. I scrape by keywords, which means, that the first domains which get scraped are what? Yes, authority domains! So most of the domains that I use have some kind of authority links PLUS they also have the metrics.

    The authority sites that people here consider authority are like 5 in total? Huffpost, Engadget, Mashable and a few others. You really think you can find a good domain by scraping these sites still? Clean? I would really love to see that. The metrics aren't really a joke. RD isn't even a metric, that's basically a fact, it's not made up. Even though that TF on the domain can be high as fuck with only a few RD is true, yes, but that takes 5 seconds to see. If you have at least 20RD on the domain, it's hard for it to be an utter shit if it has at least some TF. The higher the RD, the harder it is to get a decent TF on the domain. If you have both, then the domain is good. Period. And you can be talking about not caring about metrics all you want. If I have 5 - 8 links on the 20RD domain, from domains with TF40+, then I would take that every day of my life over a domain which has one Huffpost link and only below average stuff there.

    But let's get back to the OP. People want all kind of shit when it comes to metric. Few days back I got a request for, I quote, TF 10+ RD 10+ DR 35+ DA 15+ PA 20+. This is not an unreal request, but I could barely hold my shit together to be honest. Why the fuck do you need so many metrics to go by? You absolutely do not. Let's break them down.

    DR - Really, either focus on Majestic or Ahrefs, don't use both. You will only limit the potential domains.
    CF - If I get one more request for "High TF/CF" domain, I will kill myself. Same goes for "TF/CF ratio", because god... CF is an utter bullshit metric. When I see a PBN seller selling "High CF domains", I know he doesn't know shit about what he is selling. That should be a good filter for every newbie out there when he decides to buy links for the first time here in the Marketplace.
    DA - Meh. It's good if it's higher, but the higher the RD, the higher the DA, so why bother about it? Still though, it's one of those less bullshit metrics.
    RD - This is a "no-nonsense" metric. The RD is there, it's not made up, it's not some kind of algorithm, it's simply there, so yes, this is the one you should be focusing at.
    TF - Of course, this is the second one that people should focus on. I explained earlier, that it can be "manipulated", but I would rather use the term "sketchy". The higher the RD, the less bullshit the TF becomes. If you have RD20+ and TF15+, you have a gold already. You will RARELY find even this kind of metrics nowadays. RD20+ TF9+ and I would go for it no problem. RD10+ TF14+ is similar in the terms of strenght and in terms of what you can find online, so I would go for these minimum, depending on your budget and so on.

    Regarding which version of domains to use... well this is subjective. You either use one or the other, never mix them up. I've been using full URL to measure TF since forever. That's my personal prereference, it's subjective and using root may even be a better option, but I am so used to this, that I am not planning to change it. For RD determination I use the root. Is this the best technique? Hard to say. Google says that 301 redirect of the dead pages to homepage is considered a weak meta refresh basically. I honestly do not believe this. Google is often full of shit and my experience tells otherwise. Sure, it's better to have the domains pointing straight to homepage, but I wouldn't throw away a good domain just because most of the links point to internal pages. In that case you can still recreate them after all.

    Hiring a VA for filtering your domains is the biggest bullshit you can do. Unless you have at least a few weeks/months experience in analyzing domains, then you will get screwed and register shittons of penalized stuff. To this date, I am still filtering my domains myself. It's a fuckin monkey work, but well worth it. Hiring some no-fuckin-idea-what-I-am-doing lazy guys who don't know crap about this is a terrible, terrible idea. And for basic filtering you can use Majestic bulk uploader, where you can sort it by metrics and take it from there. I would love to see a VA, who would filter 500K domains a week for me by hand. :)

    And about niche relevancy. Overrated imo. If you go for niche relevancy, you will in 98% of the cases sacrifice metrics. If you want both niche relevancy and brutal metrics, go to the auctions. Trying to scrape niche relevant domain on purpose is tough shit and it takes ages and if you want something really powerful, you won't find it. Would you rather take non relevant TF10 RD20 or niche relevant TF5 RD10? I know what I would take.

    Ok this was long, hope I didn't offend anyone, I am really hungry and tired and easily agitated, should get something to eat now...
     
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    DA, PA, TF, CF, RD Minimum 15+ is good for me with clean backlinks
     
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    I agree with what Nargil says.

    What i do is get a seed of authority site IN MY NICHE. Get domains with at least 10 RD which are not just forum, directories or comments. The TF usually follow. End up with Root domain TF from 5 to 12 but extremely narrowed in my niche. And that's gold.
     
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    Always a delight to read your read your explanations :)))
     
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    So i did the right thing to mentioned your name here @Nargil and honestly i don't mind to bother you again and again :D. Great explanation once again. :)
     
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    By metrics, I only care about the quality of backlinks. By quality of backlinks i care about how much traffic can come from them, or how relevant they can be to my momey site.

    For the VA, you can always train them as you wish, though I obviously dont leave them to do 100% of the work. I get them to send me the whole list of domains, the list of domains they filter that are good enough and after that I go through them myself to double check.

    And for niche relevancy, thats a little bit of discussion as it both works and doesnt work at the same time. See amazon how they rank for tons of stuff without all products being on the same niche.

    Does that make sense? Am I crazy?!
     
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    It's easy to for different product if you actually have authority and a lot of related products
     
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    Thats my point! Niche relevancy is not so good when building a humungous site! That should be the goal, not just making small sites that focus only on selling one type of product.
     
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    According to me the following metrices are good enough for PBN.

    RD - 10+
    TF - 25+
    CF - 25+
    PA and DA does't matter these days....But if u have those metrices good then your PBN is more strong!
     
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    Below my huge post, there are 2 people already claiming they want high CF... :) You are unbelievable people. Not looking at the fact, that that metric is useless, do you know what it's supposed to mean? Because I honestly doubt that. :)

    Back to the topic, as far as I know, we are talking about PBN domains here, not money site domains. Comparing a default PBN domain that you want to find by scraping to Amazon is farfetched. Niche relevancy plays a huge role, I've seen many small niche sites outranking bigger super multiniche authority craps (not amazon and similar), regardless of them having weaker backlink profile overall. And that's due to niche relevancy. What I wanted to say was, that sacrificing metrics for niche relevancy when searching for PBN domains is not worth it.

    Caring about how much traffic can come to PBN sites only due to their domain name is... wtf? :) I will leave rather leave this at that.

    Training a VA properly would take months. A lot of it comes down to gut feeling when analyzing domains. We all have different techniques, so it would be cheaper to get 5 Majestic accounts with quarterly payment, where you can analyze 2.5 million domains a month or get a custom bot coded, rather than pay $3 - 500 to a VA a month, which will do just a really small part of the work. But again, that's your call.
     
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    Thats exactly what im saying, niche relevancy works and doesnt work at the same time. By this I mean that sites with good authority will rank really good in tons of places, BUT! if you build relevancy in each of the "product pages" either by siloing and building niche relevant links, you will end up doing a lot better than 99.97% of sites out there.

    Its a matter of what you want to do. Some people build sites with like hundreds of products and couldnt care if they rank in #1 in all kws as they usually rank for tons of other keywords.

    For the traffic part, thats just a cherry on top and not a necessary metric i look for.

    The VAs just follow orders, make good orders and they will work for you. Not sure what kind of va takes months to train, perhaps retarded ones?!
     
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    I agree with most of what you said, except the VA stuff. Aren't they 95% retarded? And we apparently have different standards of checking the cleanliness of the domains. :)